Why are some Christians in America democrats despite most democrats these days having most views against God ?

[QuestionQuest74]

Republicans aren’t saints either but they seem to support more biblical views than Democrats. I was wondering how some Christians can still be democratic IF they vote ?

 

[Laodicean60]

how some Christians can still be democratic

I don't think politics has anything to do with believing in a Creator. Unless you feel the Democrat party represents Godlessness? Do you mean all atheists or agnostics don't have conservative values?

 

[PloverWing]

Republicans aren’t saints either but they seem to support more biblical views than Democrats. I was wondering how some Christians can still be democratic IF they vote ?

1. In part, it's because we disagree about which ethical values are described in the Bible. (Ethics isn't just about sex and gender. It's also about caring for the well-being of the poor and the oppressed.)

2. In part, it's because we disagree about how best to use the power of government to carry out the values in the Bible, and also about how the power of government should be used in a multi-religious society which has no established religion. (Example: As we carry out the command to care for the poor, is this best done through government agencies or through private agencies? This is a policy decision about which reasonable people, including Christians, disagree.)

3. In part, it's because we disagree about things that aren't related to religion. Should we have higher state income taxes and more state-level government services, or lower taxes and reduced services? The question of whether we should build a new public park in town and fund it with taxes isn't really a religious question.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

1. In part, it's because we disagree about which ethical values are described in the Bible. (Ethics isn't just about sex and gender. It's also about caring for the well-being of the poor and the oppressed.)

2. In part, it's because we disagree about how best to use the power of government to carry out the values in the Bible, and also about how the power of government should be used in a multi-religious society which has no established religion. (Example: As we carry out the command to care for the poor, is this best done through government agencies or through private agencies? This is a policy decision about which reasonable people, including Christians, disagree.)

3. In part, it's because we disagree about things that aren't related to religion. Should we have higher state income taxes and more state-level government services, or lower taxes and reduced services? The question of whether we should build a new public park in town and fund it with taxes isn't really a religious question.

Yes, all that. And for me it is also about basic solidarity rather than individualism.

 

[childeye 2]

Republicans aren’t saints either but they seem to support more biblical views than Democrats. I was wondering how some Christians can still be democratic IF they vote ?

If you're saying Democrats don't support biblical views as much as Republicans, I would disagree with that assessment.

 

[QuestionQuest74]

1. In part, it's because we disagree about which ethical values are described in the Bible. (Ethics isn't just about sex and gender. It's also about caring for the well-being of the poor and the oppressed.)

2. In part, it's because we disagree about how best to use the power of government to carry out the values in the Bible, and also about how the power of government should be used in a multi-religious society which has no established religion. (Example: As we carry out the command to care for the poor, is this best done through government agencies or through private agencies? This is a policy decision about which reasonable people, including Christians, disagree.)

3. In part, it's because we disagree about things that aren't related to religion. Should we have higher state income taxes and more state-level government services, or lower taxes and reduced services? The question of whether we should build a new public park in town and fund it with taxes isn't really a religious question.

Thank you for your insight.

 

[rturner76]

I don't think that having free will goes against God

 

[seeking.IAM]

I agree with Plover Wing. I will add that it is hard for some to see current prominent Republican figures as speaking and living in a very Christ-like fashion. That can lead one to believe that espousing Christian values is no more than a shallow vote-getting strategy for them rather than a sincere belief lived out on a daily basis.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Republicans aren’t saints either but they seem to support more biblical views than Democrats. I was wondering how some Christians can still be democratic IF they vote ?

Yes, Republicans are not God's party. But for one, I can never vote for a party that is pro-abortion, anti-Isreal, and certainly not one that persecutes believers and blasphemes the Lord. When the Dems booed God at one of their recent conventions... that was it for me. Everyone has weaknesses of the flesh and will. None of us are perfect in that regard. But to knowingly and intentionally strike out at God? And lighting up the White House with the rainbow colors... that is nothing short of putting a fist in God's face and daring Him to act.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Republicans aren’t saints either but they seem to support more biblical views than Democrats. I was wondering how some Christians can still be democratic IF they vote ?

From my perspective, it's the reverse. It appears to me that the Republican Party is, on the whole, opposed to Christian values and biblical views. Which is why, though I don't have a lot of respect for the Democratic Party, do end up voting Democrat. Because the Democratic Party, at least superficially, seems more interested in policies that are in line with biblical principles of justice, mercy, and welfare for the weak, poor, hungry, the foreigner, and marginalized persons.

I grew up in a conservative environment. My political leanings shifted in the 2000's during the George W. Bush era. It became increasingly more difficult for me to reconcile my Christian upbringing and what I read in Scripture; those values which had been instilled in me since I was a tiny child learning that truth, peace, justice, kindness, gentleness, generosity, forgiveness, and love were core Christian values and principles as taught in God's word and preached. I couldn't reconcile that with the prevailing political attitudes of a post 9/11 America which was pro-war, pro-hate of Muslims, the demonization of immigrants, regarding the poor and hungry as social parasites, that certain kinds of people should be regarded as pariahs at best, and sub-human at worst. I saw people, people who I respected and had admired most of my life, seemingly totally fine with turning against basic biblical principles of righteousness toward very different sets of values.

I found myself engaged in discussions and debates where, when quoting the Bible, I was informed that I shouldn't take Jesus too seriously, I wasn't given counter-arguments from Scripture--but rather arguments that dismissed the Bible, dismissed Jesus as irrelevant.

I started to become aware of just how deeply troubling American nationalism was infecting churches. The clearest example of that for me was I visited a church with my dad back around 2004-2005 or abouts, it so happened that July 4th fell on a Sunday that year. As such the church was decked all up in America-ness. The worst offense was that it was obvious that the cross at the back of the sanctuary had been covered up with a giant American flag. We didn't sing hymns, we didn't sing praise songs, we sang American patriotic folk music. Between the singing part of the service and the sermon the pastor offered a prayer--not once mentioning Jesus, the Gospel, God's word, or anything Christian--the prayer was instead a nationalistic extolling of American exceptionalism. After 20-30 minutes into the sermon, I continued to notice the absence of any mention of Jesus, there was no mention of sin, no mention of salvation, no mention of grace, no mention of the Gospel, no mention of Scripture. It was, again, a nationalistic extolling of American exceptionalism. At that point, to my dad's shock, I simply walked out. I had never felt more disgusted and appalled by a church service in my life. I was shaking and sad.

I actually stopped voting altogether for years. I didn't vote in the 2004, 2008, or 2012 presidential elections here in America. But I did notice, in these years, that the dangerous "progressive" sorts I was told to watch out for were often the only ones I heard saying anything even close to Christian. Not completely, not entirely, often just superficially--but it was more than what I was hearing and seeing on the other side of the political aisle.

Then 2016 happened. And things have only gotten worse since then.

That's why I generally vote Democrat when I vote. It's the least worse option.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[childeye 2]

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[childeye 2]

Yes, Republicans are not God's party. But for one, I can never vote for a party that is pro-abortion, anti-Isreal, and certainly not one that persecutes believers and blasphemes the Lord. When the Dems booed God at one of their recent conventions... that was it for me. Everyone has weaknesses of the flesh and will. None of us are perfect in that regard. But to knowingly and intentionally strike out at God? And lighting up the White House with the rainbow colors... that is nothing short of putting a fist in God's face and daring Him to act.

I can tell that where you get your information about Democrats is propaganda. Democrats are not pro-abortion, they're pro-choice. And they're not anti-Israel, in fact many Jews vote Democratic. And finally, the story you're repeating about how Democrats "booed God" is reckless political spin about how some democratic factions are opposed to religion playing a role in politics.

This is the current detrimental problem occurring in Republican politics, the more they depend on lying about their opposition to get votes, the more they become tools of the devil. Devil=accuser/slanderer.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I can tell that where you get your information about Democrats is propaganda. Democrats are not pro-abortion, they're pro-choice. And they're not anti-Israel, in fact many Jews vote Democratic. And finally, the story you're repeating about how Democrats "booed God" is reckless political spin about how some democratic factions are opposed to religion playing a role in politics.

This is the current detrimental problem occurring in Republican politics, the more they depend on lying about their opposition to get votes, the more they become tools of the devil. Devil=accuser/slanderer.

Is pro-choice pro-abortion?
Yes. Smoke and mirrors. They are pro-abortion.
The site will not allow me to include the link to the video where the majority of democrat delegates both nayed the inclusion of God in their platform (3 times) and booed when the chairman overruled the majority nays. It is hilarious to listen to the chairman squirm. He knew exactly what it was all about. So do we.
You can find it here "youtube.com/watch?v=kX11IUjkEKs"

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

the majority of democrat delegates both nayed the inclusion of God in their platform (3 times

That is because it requires a further question, "whose God"?

 

[seeking.IAM]

You offer a distorted view of the referenced YouTube video which has to do with a vote about putting into the platform President Obama's stance on Jerusalem. The boos are for the chair deciding an unclear voting response. It is not about booing God. There is no verbal mention of God in the video itself, and only an onscreen reference to the term "God-given". A little accuracy here would be fair.

 

[Margaret3110]

Neither party in its current form represents my beliefs and values, but I think at this point the Republican leadership are actively trying to destroy democracy through their unquestioning, unthinking support of a certain would-be dictator who is not at all Christlike but seems to think he is. I worship God, not some party or individual politician.

 

[-=H=-]

Because there is a huge difference between being a “Christian” and being a true disciple of Jesus and following his teachings.

The same thing goes for right wing republicans who hold views on guns and killing people as being something Godly.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

That is because it requires a further question, "whose God"?

Ok! That is fine. I am glad to see you agree with what is happening, and prove our point. It is not our imagination or some political ploy we made up. It is real, and it happened and continues to happen.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Ok! That is fine. I am glad to see you agree with what is happening, and prove our point. It is not our imagination or some political ploy we made up. It is real, and it happened and continues to happen.

Do you want to presume Your God? Our God? Judeo-Christian God?

 

[Riot42]

Why are some Christians in America republicans despite most republicans these days having most views against God?​

I do not partake in tribal political bread and circus. Left wing, right wing, looks like the same damn bird to me.