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I'm not sure other Creationists would like the "This is creationism as I see it." bit, it seems to defeat the whole purpose of being a fundamental Creationist.
I said that if God created them the way they are formed naturally then they would appear to be millions of years old on the day He made them. If you can’t comprehend that, it’s not my problem. I don’t expect that you can because you don’t want to.
So God can fake it so well that we can't tell the difference between His fakes and the genuine article?
I agree -- Satan may be the Father of Lies, but CreationistGod is the King of Counterfeits.
Here is the quote where you say it takes millions of years.
I wasn’t talking about God creating it in that post. That was referring to rocks being formed naturally without any intervention from God. Rocks naturally take millions of years to form but God can create them exactly the same way in no time which would give them the appearance of being millions of years old.
All because of some bad advice from a talking reptile... who knew perfection could be so fragile?
pretty flipped thinking .... we were created to live a certain way, however God created His intelligent beings with free agency (make their own choices) .... when we make choices contrary to how we were created* ... there are negative consequences .... it's not about a "snake" it's about choices we make that are contrary to creation.
*analogy - if you create and build a kitchen table and try to use it for a surf board .... it's not going to work.
Nonsense if we were made perfect in character as God is there would’ve never been a fall because Adam wouldn’t have been able to sin just as God cannot sin.
OK, good. So what God does and commands is good not because He defines what is good by His actions and commands, but because He is constrained to follow an independent moral standard from which He cannot deviate; i.e. God is not and does not define a moral standard, He is effectively its messenger....He is not good because anything He should choose to do is considered to be good. That would imply that He could do anything and it would be defined as being good just because He did it.
If God is beyond logic, reason, and understanding, then how can you understand His word? If you take His word literally, it would seem you're making a serious error because what He's really saying is irrational, illogical, and incomprehensible...So we can love and worship Him properly.
Sure ... as He put it:
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
But that doesn't mean we should have to "abandon our own minds" and hold Him at arms length.
That's why He gave us His word, so we can use It as our Standard for faith and practice.
So is the Earth millions of years old or not? If not, then how do you know rocks take millions of years to form naturally? [actually, they don't, but they can last for millions of years]I wasn’t talking about God creating it in that post. That was referring to rocks being formed naturally without any intervention from God. Rocks naturally take millions of years to form but God can create them exactly the same way in no time which would give them the appearance of being millions of years old.
God's word is His autobiography, our Standard for faith and practice, and your History Book.If God is beyond logic, reason, and understanding, then how can you understand His word? If you take His word literally, it would seem you're making a serious error because what He's really saying is irrational, illogical, and incomprehensible...
pretty flipped thinking .... we were created to live a certain way,
however God created His intelligent beings with free agency (make their own choices)
.... when we make choices contrary to how we were created* ... there are negative consequences .... it's not about a "snake" it's about choices we make that are contrary to creation.
*analogy - if you create and build a kitchen table and try to use it for a surf board .... it's not going to work.
It belongs to religious class. Christian class if you are only going to be teaching Genesis.You recall correctly.
The Creation Week belongs in history class -- not science class.
The bible belongs in a religious section, or a mythology section or a fiction section of the library.God's word is His autobiography, our Standard for faith and practice, and your History Book.
I take it you think this because you give Christianity equal airtime with other religions?It belongs to religious class.
I'll tell you what I told Kylie:The bible belongs in a religious section, or a mythology section or a fiction section of the library.
Certainly not science, history, or even non fiction.
Then I'll sit myself right down ... like Rosa Parks did ... on your science bus, right up front.
He created mankind as free agents .... God don't force Himself on anyone .... true love requires choice .... love can not be forced or else it's not love .... and God is love.
I agree with everything you’ve said here but Adam did not have a perfect character like God. God cannot sin because of His character, because of who He is. Adam showed without a doubt that his character was capable of sin.
If you are wanting to be respected as a literal fundamental Creationists whose mantra is "The Bible says it, that settles it." Then you really ought to stick to what is explicitly in the Bible.I get your main points.
But correct me if I'm wrong.
You're of the persuasion that I should teach the Bible only?
You would be losing credibility, you are not a qualified scientist, what do you know about photosynthesis or entropy? Do you think you would be able to have a respectful engaging and informed 2 hour discussion with an actual scientist on these matters?That is, as soon as I say "photosynthesis" or "entropy," I'm shooting myself in the foot?
Sure, but many people are falling into the trap of adding their own biases, their own logic, their own thoughts into it. It seems to be very tricky to read it and understand or belief it in a literal sense.Anyone can stay at home and read Genesis 1 and 2.
I presume if god wrote the book and didn't provide these details then god didn't consider them necessary to convey. So why are you then taking it upon yourself to embellish god's book with details that god himself either didn't think were necessary or perhaps thought were distracting from the key message that god wanted to convey.But they can't address the tough questions about sunlight and the order of the creation events (e.g., trees without sunlight).
It seems to me you want to create an army of apologists, armed (with AV maybe's) to debate against atheists who are finding scientific issues with the bible.That's where I come in; to teach them how to defend Genesis 1 and 2 with a set of heuristics that can allow for scientific explanations of things that are scientific, and reject things that are presumed scientific but are instead miracles.
Then your class isn't about the bible, it isn't about god's word, it's about AV's interpretation, it's about pseudo science, its about apologetics.Such terms as "photosynthesis" and "entropy" and "frame story" are right at home in my class, and I would teach them in order to equip my students to be better defenders of the Faith.
But again what I am asking of you, what value is this certificate that you are giving to your students?Don't agree with what I teach? don't take my course.
Simple as that.
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