Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[TLK Valentine]

Some things require age in order to function in harmony with other things that aren't as old (or older).

You can't make everything the same age and expect them to work together.

So God faked the age. Got it.

 

[SelfSim]

.. the point is to troll a Christian forum trying to trap Christians into saying something that is contradictory so you can give yourself a big pat on the back in front of your fellow atheist piers. Sorry it didn’t work.

Do you forget this is a debating forum .. and not some kind of Kumbaya pow-wow?

 

[SelfSim]

Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Well while he does that, my mind does all the thinking. What's 'right' then is a matter of personal choice, once that thinking process is complete.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you forget this is a debating forum .. and not some kind of Kumbaya pow-wow?

What he was doing was not a debate and it’s also off topic.

 

[ottawak]

If God wants to make rocks that ARE millions of years old, not appear to be millions of years old but are actually millions of years old He an do it in the blink of an eye. Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant and not of any consequence to me.

As for why He might do this, my guess would be for the same reason that Jesus spoke in parables. “he who has ears to hear, let him hear”

“And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘You will keep on hearing, but will not understand; You will keep on seeing, but will not perceive; For the heart of this people has become dull, With their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes, Otherwise they would see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:10-17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So it's some kind of a test??? God made the world look old in order to test our faith in the literal inerrancy of Genesis?

 

[SelfSim]

What he was doing was not a debate and it’s also off topic.

So logical inferences are off topic in a debate?? (Good luck pushing that one ..)

 

[AV1611VET]

So God faked the age. Got it.

Only if you would put whole grapes into bread and call it "raisin bread."

 

[AV1611VET]

Well while he does that, my mind does all the thinking. What's 'right' then is a matter of personal choice, once that thinking process is complete.

Do you realize the first ten amendments to our constitution insure that no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So it's some kind of a test??? God made the world look old in order to test our faith in the literal inerrancy of Genesis?

Pretty much -- "Believe nothing of what you see, only believe what you are told."

Pretty standard recipe for unquestioning followers.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Only if you would put whole grapes into bread and call it "raisin bread."

Aren't you the one who claims that a creationist shouldn't venture outside Genesis 1-2?

 

[SelfSim]

Do you realize the first ten amendments to our constitution insure that no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil?

So anyone who thinks for themselves about the right thing to do, is automatically a mass murderer?

 

[AV1611VET]

Aren't you the one who claims that a creationist shouldn't venture outside Genesis 1-2?

While doing what?

 

[AV1611VET]

So anyone who thinks for themselves about the right thing to do, is automatically a mass murderer?

No.

 

[SelfSim]

Do you realize the first ten amendments to our constitution insure that no pogrom will occur legally on U.S. soil?

So anyone who thinks for themselves about the right thing to do, is automatically a mass murderer?

No.

Then what is your above response supposed to mean?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Pretty much -- "Believe nothing of what you see, only believe what you are told."

Pretty standard recipe for unquestioning followers.

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes?"

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It’s a trick question that I’ve heard before.

There's no trick - it's an ancient philosophical/theological logical dilemma based on the choice between divine command theory and objective moral standards (universal or absolute morality). It's
I'm curious which you believe because both have problems for traditional concepts of God.

If I said that it’s good because God does it then you could proceed to say that God can do evil and it would be good because He did it.

No - the whole point of divine command theory is that there is no good and evil beyond what God says or does - What He says and does is good by definition, what is contrary to that is evil by definition, and what humans might feel about it is irrelevant.

I never rejected that God defines what is good, you claim it can’t be both ways which I disagree. God does define what is good and His Holy character doesn’t allow Him to do evil.

If God defines what is good by His character, i.e. what He says and does, then He can't say or do evil, by definition; evil is anything contrary to what He says and does.

The point of this conversation is not to determine why or how God is good, I know you could care less about such matters, the point is to troll a Christian forum trying to trap Christians into saying something that is contradictory so you can give yourself a big pat on the back in front of your fellow atheist piers. Sorry it didn’t work.

The point of the question is to find out what you believe is the source of moral values, and to see what you think about the implications of that belief. If you think that's trolling, so be it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

What he was doing was not a debate and it’s also off topic.

It was a discussion, until you pulled out. It arose out of your #427, but if you felt it was off-topic, you should have said so.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes?"

A memorable Chico Marx playing Groucho.

 

[Hans Blaster]

In fact he is quite correct, the object he holds is topologically equivalent to a square.
Can God show using topological equivalence, the mathematician is not holding up a square?
The answer is no.
It's like God trying to show 1+1=3.

That would be silly. Everyone knows 1+1 = 10.

 

[AV1611VET]

Everyone knows 1+1 = 10.

Yes, in base 2.