Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[BNR32FAN]

Bible clearly shows Pi=3.0 btw.
Change the math books now, or what?

No just subtract the width of a hand from each side, approximately 4” so 10 cubits is 180” minus the 8” equals 172” multiplied by pi equals 540” now multiply 30 cubits times 18 and wow would take look at that it equals 540” also. Guess God isn’t as stupid as you thought you just needed to read a bit more.


“Now he made the sea of cast metal ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits, and thirty cubits in circumference. Under its brim gourds went around encircling it ten to a cubit, completely surrounding the sea; the gourds were in two rows, cast with the rest. It stood on twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east; and the sea was set on top of them, and all their rear parts turned inward. It was a handbreadth thick, and its brim was made like the brim of a cup, as a lily blossom; it could hold two thousand baths.”
‭‭1 Kings‬ ‭7:23-26‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is an article that talks about how scientists determine the age of rocks
How Did Scientists Calculate the Age of Earth?.
Determining Absolute Age of Rocks

Advances in chemistry, geology and physics continued, and in the early to mid-1900s, scientists found a method to determine the absolute age of a rock or mineral sample. The absolute age of a sample is its age in years. This method of determining absolute age is called radiometric dating, and it involves the decay, or breakdown, of radioactive elements. Using radiometric dating, scientists can determine the actual age of a rock.

Radiometric dating requires an understanding of isotopes. Isotopes are different forms of the same element, which have a different number of neutrons. Neutrons are tiny particles inside the nucleus, or core, of an atom.

The isotopes of unstable radioactive elements are called parent isotopes. They decay, or break down, into other, more stable elements called daughter isotopes. They do this in a predictable way in a certain amount of time called a half-life.

But I suspect you are not interested in the science, so I will leave the science for you to research for yourself (if you are interested).

The issue with god making new rocks to appear old, is that we probably should ask why?
Why would god make new things appear old? Is god trying to trick us?
Does god want us to think the Earth is 5 billion years old?
If this is what god wants us to think, then why do creationists reject this?

Uhuh so the day God made the rocks on the earth how old would they appear to be? You do understand that rocks take an extremely long time and extreme pressure to create right? So why wouldn’t they appear to be old on the day He created them? Perhaps the conditions in which He made them were exactly the same conditions that they are naturally created. Then they might still have the same appearance of being older than they actually are. Do you think they looked like brand new shiny rocks with the factory sticker still on them the day He created them?

 

[BNR32FAN]

But why create rocks that look ancient, show evidence of a long history of layered deposition, with volcanic and tectonic activity, and even contain fossils of ancient creatures that match an evolutionary history that 'never happened'? Isn't that a bit odd, not to say deceitful?

God works in mysterious and deceptive ways?

It’s not deception when He told everyone when they were made. Do you think all the rocks were shiny and brand new with the factory sticker still on them the day He made them? No they looked like rocks that were made the way rocks are naturally made so they already looked like they were millions of years old the day He made them because that’s how rocks are made with an extremely long amount of time and pressure.

 

[Gene2memE]

Uhuh so the day God made the rocks on the earth how old would they appear to be? You do understand that rocks take an extremely long time and extreme pressure to create right? So why wouldn’t they appear to be old on the day He created them? Perhaps the conditions in which He made them were exactly the same conditions that they are naturally created. Then they might still have the same appearance of being older than they actually are. Do you think they looked like brand new shiny rocks with the factory sticker still on them the day He created them?

Congratulations, you've made the entire concept of a creator God irrelevant.

From a human perspective, there's functionally no difference between a God that does not exist and a God that does act, but whose actions can't be distinguished from nature.

 

[stevil]

Uhuh so the day God made the rocks on the earth how old would they appear to be? You do understand that rocks take an extremely long time and extreme pressure to create right? So why wouldn’t they appear to be old on the day He created them? Perhaps the conditions in which He made them were exactly the same conditions that they are naturally created. Then they might still have the same appearance of being older than they actually are. Do you think they looked like brand new shiny rocks with the factory sticker still on them the day He created them?

I get what you are saying.

The way they date the age of the rocks isn't about how old they look, like whether they are rugged or shiney.
They do it through isotopes and half lifes.
There are also lots of other ways too, they can see the layers and fossils and various things that are beyond my knowledge.

But I don't really want to get too much into the science of it, I'm not a scientist and much of this stuff can be researched online by using google.

But I guess what I am saying is that the scientists are finding a large degree of consistency. Lots of things are showing that the earth is almost 5 billion and that many rocks are millions upon millions of years old, and from trees and living things they can carbon date, and all these combined corroborate each other.

So let's say that god actually did create the earth 7 thousand years ago, and perhaps the universe 7,000 years ago or whatever that Creation figure is.

Why is it that scientific examination of the earth says 5 billion years (from many methods used to date the earth) and that scientific examination of the sun says 5 billion years and scientific examination of the universe says 13.8 billion years etc.
These things are all pretty consistent.
So if god created this stuff, the he intended to make us think that the earth is 5 billion years old, that the universe is 13.8 billion years old. This is what the data is showing in a consistent way.
Also there is much data for evolution that shows that things evolved, that shows that living things were here millions of millions of years ago. Why did god create it all in a way that consistently shows this even when we use a variety of methods?

I would have thought even creationists would have been interested in why god did this? Rather than say that scientists are wrong, shouldn't they instead be amazed at the level of detail god went to in his creation activity to make it look as if we have an old earth?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It’s not deception when He told everyone when they were made. Do you think all the rocks were shiny and brand new with the factory sticker still on them the day He made them? No they looked like rocks that were made the way rocks are naturally made so they already looked like they were millions of years old the day He made them because that’s how rocks are made with an extremely long amount of time and pressure.

Yes, OK, make them look old, but why fake a detailed history, the layering, the millions of fossils of creatures that don't exist today? Why?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The way they date the age of the rocks isn't about how old they look, like whether they are rugged or shiney.
They do it through isotopes and half lifes.
There are also lots of other ways too, they can see the layers and fossils and various things that are beyond my knowledge.

Ok but my position is that God created them the same way they are naturally made which would mean that they would not only look old but they would have all the same characteristics of an old rock.

 

[AV1611VET]

I agree whole heartedly with this.
If you are going to do pure Creationism then you shouldn't be using words such as "photosynthesis", "entropy", "universe" these are not mentioned in the bible.

How would you answer someone who wanted to know how, if creation ended after six days, God fed the four thousand without doing any act of creating?

 

[ottawak]

Ok but my position is that God created them the same way they are naturally made which would mean that they would not only look old but they would have all the same characteristics of an old rock.

Including imbedded fossils which look like they are part of a series prodced by evolution.

 

[ottawak]

How would you answer someone who wanted to know how, if creation ended after six days, God fed the four thousand without doing any act of creating?

Different narratives in different books written in different languages centuries apart to satisfy an entirely different literary agenda. I would tell them that it was a silly question.

 

[Astrid]

No just subtract the width of a hand from each side, approximately 4” so 10 cubits is 180” minus the 8” equals 172” multiplied by pi equals 540” now multiply 30 cubits times 18 and wow would take look at that it equals 540” also. Guess God isn’t as stupid as you thought you just needed to read a bit more.


“Now he made the sea of cast metal ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits, and thirty cubits in circumference. Under its brim gourds went around encircling it ten to a cubit, completely surrounding the sea; the gourds were in two rows, cast with the rest. It stood on twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east; and the sea was set on top of them, and all their rear parts turned inward. It was a handbreadth thick, and its brim was made like the brim of a cup, as a lily blossom; it could hold two thousand baths.”
‭‭1 Kings‬ ‭7:23-26‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I will assume you dont think I am stupid, and didn't
read the story or think about it.
Likewise I will assume that while not stuoid,
you did not think about it.
EVEN IF your e tra biblical opinions are correct,
there is no way the numbers are accurate.

If you really need it explained why the number
approximations, its a sign youve given it no thought.

As they are approximations, it is nonsensical to
believe they are literally true.

 

[Astrid]

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[Astrid]

This is what commonly known as a figure of speech.

Of course. There's also parables, poetry, metaphors,
cautionary tales, etc.
Do you have an infallible detector for when
to take the words exactly literally?
I dont think so, seeing how you dealt with
the Pi question.

 

[TLK Valentine]

How would you answer someone who wanted to know how, if creation ended after six days, God fed the four thousand without doing any act of creating?

Wouldn't it be a better use of time to figure out how on Earth Red Riding Hood didn't recognize a freaking WOLF dressed up as her own grandmother?
#astigmatism

 

[TLK Valentine]

This is what commonly known as a figure of speech.

The book of Genesis is chock full of them.

 

[Astrid]

That’s one of the three ways rocks are formed but that’s not how they are formed on the surface without volcanic activity. I would’ve expected that with your superior understanding of geology you would’ve known that.

You said its impossible to form a rock in a day.
I gave an example to show you were mistaken.
Its no Christian sin to graciously accept that you
were mistaken.
Rocks dont tend to form at the surface either, though
volcanic ash may form " welded tuff", and of course,
there's basalt.
Theres nothing to gain from snarking at me with
tries at knowing more geology. You've your skill
set at work or elswhere: I've mine.
No put down at all was intended when i said geology
isnt yours.
Nor in suggesting you might learn some.
It is way interesting! A start might be a roadside geology
book for your state.
It would identify specific roadcuts where you can stop,
read about and look at what is there.

Theres certainly nothing ungodly in understanding
and appreciating the world around you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Including imbedded fossils which look like they are part of a series prodced by evolution.

Only on paper.

 

[AV1611VET]

Different narratives in different books written in different languages centuries apart to satisfy an entirely different literary agenda. I would tell them that it was a silly question.

Fair enough.

I'll stick to the terms creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wouldn't it be a better use of time to figure out how on Earth Red Riding Hood didn't recognize a freaking WOLF dressed up as her own grandmother?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

The book of Genesis is chock full of them.

Would you know the difference if you saw one?