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Why are so many Christians against annihilation in hell when scripture supports it?

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He never said Augustine was simplistic he said Augustine's argument, based on his lack of Greek knowledge, was simplistic. you need to reread his post.
Oh forgive me, when someone tells me that a strong Christian leader and pillar is lying and being too simple in expressing the word of God to the known world I felt he was reflecting on his character. Especially his character in a matter that wasn't even from or by him. Augustine so freely admitted that he did not know Greek or care to that he rarely rested his wisdom on Greek. Augustine and his writing are not even in question here though, just speaking about his works and how they were false is so unnecessary here.
 
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Oh forgive me, when someone tells me that a strong Christian leader and pillar is lying and being too simple in expressing the word of God to the known world I felt he was reflecting on his character

Where did clement say Augustine was lying?


And Augustine's understanding of Greek caused him to see things the way he did.
He might not be the first person to believe in eternal punishment but he is by far the one who made it popular.
 
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Where did clement say Augustine was lying?



And Augustine's understanding of Greek caused him to see things the way he did.
He might not be the first person to believe in eternal punishment but he is by far the one who made it popular.
No it is the scripture and Jesus that made it popular and spurious by definition is fake false illegitimate and not what it claims to be. Augustine's understanding of God did not rest on Greek but on his relationship from God and the Holy Spirit
 
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The word "aionios" is used 71 times in the Bible, and every time it is used, it is describing something that is eternal. The word "aionios" is also used to describe
the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14),
salvation (Hebrews 5:9),
redemption (Hebrews 9:12),
the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:11),
the honor and power of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 6:16),
God's glory (1 Peter 5:10),
and our immortal bodies that we will one day receive (2 Corinthians 5:1).
Those who argue that the punishment in the lake of fire for the wicked will one day end, must also argue that all of these will one day expire.

So then what you are saying by your version of the definition used of 'aionios'
the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14), reference refers to a temporary, not an eternal Spirit of God
salvation (Hebrews 5:9), God's salvation is temporary
redemption (Hebrews 9:12), Christ's dying to redeem us only temporary
The kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:11), His kingdom is temporary
The honor and power of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 6:16), is temporary
God's glory (1 Peter 5:10), is temporary
and our immortal bodies that we will one day receive (2 Corinthians 5:1). Are not incorruptible but temporary...
and many more???? I do not follow your logic
 
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No it is the scripture and Jesus that made it popular and spurious by definition is fake false illegitimate and not what it claims to be. Augustine's understanding of God did not rest on Greek but on his relationship from God and the Holy Spirit

Jesus NEVER EVER refers to eternal torment. The Greek word for eternal is aidios and it is NEVER used in conjunction with the judgments of God.
So no Jesus did not make eternal torment popular, the misunderstanding of the meaning of the word aionios did and that misunderstanding was made popular by Augustine.
 
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Not true
 
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So then what you are saying by your version of the definition used of 'aionios'
(Romans 16:26) but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God
the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14), reference refers to a temporary, not an eternal Spirit of God ?
salvation (Hebrews 5:9), God's salvation is temporary?
redemption (Hebrews 9:12), Christ's dying to redeem us only temporary?
The kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:11), His kingdom is temporary
The honor and power of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 6:16), is temporary
God's glory (1 Peter 5:10), is temporary?
(John 6:27) Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” Is this meaning temporary also?
(John 6:47) Truly I say to you, he that believes in me has everlasting life.
and this?
and our immortal bodies that we will one day receive (2 Corinthians 5:1). Are not incorruptible but temporary...
and many more???? I do not follow your logic
 
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See you have been swept up in Augustine's error you take aionios as meaning aidios and they are NOT THE SAME and do NOT HAVE THE SAME MEANING.

Please show me where Jesus uses the Greek word aidios\eternal in conjunction with His judgments.
 
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See you have been swept up in Augustine's error you take aionios as meaning aidios and they are NOT THE SAME and do NOT HAVE THE SAME MEANING.

Please show me where Jesus uses the Greek word aidios\eternal in conjunction with His judgments.
and you have been swept up by the error that the root is the same and derived from the same meaning but most importantly you will not realize the context of all of these scriptures
 
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See you have been swept up in Augustine's error you take aionios as meaning aidios and they are NOT THE SAME and do NOT HAVE THE SAME MEANING.

Please show me where Jesus uses the Greek word aidios\eternal in conjunction with His judgments.
Please show me your answers for the words of scripture quoted in the passages I listed.... what are the words meaning what is the root word here in the scriptures, please tell me?
Which word is used in all of those scriptures in the Greek?
 
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still waiting for you to show me ONE scripture where the Greek word aidios\eternal is used in conjunction with eternal torment.
Still waiting for you to answer my scripture quote questions I asked before your question

Show me one of those that contains aiōnios that I mentioned that means anything other than eternal...
 
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and you have been swept up by the error that the root is the same and derived from the same meaning but most importantly you will not realize the context of all of these scriptures

so you are saying what? that the adjective of aion does not work as an adjective at all but is its own word.
 
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Please show me your answers for the words of scripture quoted in the passages I listed.... what are the words meaning what is the root word here in the scriptures, please tell me?
Which word is used in all of those scriptures in the Greek?

at work, so read YLT and you can see for yourself
 
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Still waiting for you to answer my scripture quote questions I asked before your question

Show me one of those that contains aiōnios that I mentioned that means anything other than eternal...
Like I said I am at work right now but everyone of those scriptures is referring to that which pertains to an age. Read YLT or Rotherhams.
 
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Like I said I am at work right now but everyone of those scriptures is referring to that which pertains to an age. Read YLT or Rotherhams.
lol really? Okay so you haven't read them and will not address them. Have a good day.
 
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No they refer to that which pertains to an age and is of unknown duration.
NOne of the scriptures I quoted even remotely have anything to do with that.. maybe you are reading the wrong passages.
 
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