Why are so many Catholics anti-Protestant? (2)

[steve_bakr]

well your looking in the wrong place - the Vatican teaches their is no salvation without the rcc and your going to hell...

As per Vatican.va

Although their Muslims brothers can have it....

You are not understanding it correctly. A non-Catholic Christian is not considered to be going to hell.

 

[Albion]

Scripture is what tells me this!

If you say so, but most people who hold this opinion pick it up from a preacher or church with whom they've been associated, not solely from reading the Bible on their own.

It would appear (from your comment) that people get their wrong opinions about rcc because their church plants the idea

So it would appear.

However, that's not to say that these churches are either correct or incorrect about what they have concluded.

 

[shturt678]

You are not understanding it correctly. A non-Catholic Christian is not considered to be going to hell.

In humility and respect sir, better relook at Council of Trent Seeion VI, ie, "anathamas" after "anathamas," Us Lutherans just as bad; however a little more subtle, ie, strictly speaking.

Just ol' old Jack's opinion

 

[steve_bakr]

In humility and respect sir, better relook at Council of Trent Seeion VI, ie, "anathamas" after "anathamas," Us Lutherans just as bad; however a little more subtle, ie, strictly speaking.

Just ol' old Jack's opinion

Recent Catholic theology--meaning last century--has somewhat taken the bite out of some of the old anathemas. You can produce all manner of past anathemas but, contrary to some popular beliefs, the Church does evolve--glacially, perhaps, but it does.

I will produce one example--"No salvation outside the Church." This used to apply to anyone not in the physical Roman Catholic Church. But this doctrine has been completely re-interpreted to include possible salvation for those who may be spiritually related under the umbrella of the Church, which could theoretically include almost anyone.

Some people bring out the old anathemas. Do things change? Of course they do.

 

[Albion]

Returning to the topic of the thread...

Why ARE so many Catholics anti-Protestant, do you (anyone) think?

 

[steve_bakr]

Returning to the topic of the thread...

Why ARE so many Catholics anti-Protestant, do you (anyone) think?

Some Catholics on the internet are anti-Protestant. Some Catholics react in certain ways if Protestants attack the Church, but it is not my general impression that a large number of Catholics are anti-Protestant.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Some Catholics on the internet are anti-Protestant. Some Catholics react in certain ways if Protestants attack the Church, but it is not my general impression that a large number of Catholics are anti-Protestant.

A very fair statement Steve; Catholics (and the rest of us who post in places like CF who are steadfast in their Churches) tend to defend their faith.

It's also true that when one sees another defending their faith, they may mistake steadfast confessional statements as an attack.

I think that many fundamentalist reformed protestants would see orthodox confessionalism as such. I've seen a lot of these protestants attacking Catholicism, Lutheranism and others who hold orthodox theology based solely on the confessional documents of our Churches and the Confessional writings of our various theologians.

I think that many mistake confessionalism for aggression.

 

[shturt678]

Recent Catholic theology--meaning last century--has somewhat taken the bite out of some of the old anathemas. You can produce all manner of past anathemas but, contrary to some popular beliefs, the Church does evolve--glacially, perhaps, but it does.

I will produce one example--"No salvation outside the Church." This used to apply to anyone not in the physical Roman Catholic Church. But this doctrine has been completely re-interpreted to include possible salvation for those who may be spiritually related under the umbrella of the Church, which could theoretically include almost anyone.

Some people bring out the old anathemas. Do things change? Of course they do.

I agree; however through evolving removing "anathema" from the equation - doesn't this make it more subtle alike modern Lutherans, eg, "Faith" is composed of knowledge, assent, and confidence (fiducia, and confidence is chief. Today doesn't the physical + non-physical RCC still cancels knowledge and confidence, leaving only assent, and and that only formal assent, not assent to what one knows of Christ and the Word, but a blanket assent to whatever the RCC may say regarding Christ and the Word.

Like I mentioned on another post: I asked my wonderful RCC Christian friend what he believed, and he answered "What the Church believes." I then asked him what it is that the Church believes, he didn't know, ie, was perfectly satisfied not to know, and replied: "I do not know but nevertheless believe what the Church believes."

Just ol' old Jack[/I]

 

[shturt678]

Returning to the topic of the thread...

Why ARE so many Catholics anti-Protestant, do you (anyone) think?

Only giving a living illustration as to "why" RCCs are opposed (anti-RCC) to Protestants, eg, I'm a Protestant, is due to our Scriptural opposition to them. Sorry you didn't understand the simple on going illustration.

Just ol' old Jack

 

[Albion]

Only giving a living illustration as to "why" RCCs are opposed (anti-RCC) to Protestants, eg, I'm a Protestant, is due to our Scriptural opposition to them. Sorry you didn't understand the simple on going illustration.

Just ol' old Jack

What I understood, old Jack, is that this thread has been off-topic for a long time and it would be nice if we all addressed the question of the thread. That's all I wrote. If that is too much for you, you're excused.

 

[samcarternx]

There are two types of christians, the carnal, fleshly, outward, and the spiritual or inward. The flesh and the spirit war against each other. Who is a Jew but one inwardly indicates the outward or flesh does not apply without an inward reality. Same is true with Christians. So the appearance of Christianity does not assure the reality of a spiritual relationship with Christ.The true spiritual Church can include people from many denominations, but denominations exclude by definition. All I can conclude is if you abide in His words and His words abide in you, you will live with Him. If they do not, then you are trying to be spiritual with a carnal mindset and this will bring division. The spiritual is anti-carnal and the carnal is anti-spiritual. oh yes, also the carnal is anti-carnal because it is a house divided. The Spiritual church being in union with Christ is not divided but everyone is in agreement with Him.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

There are two types of christians, the carnal, fleshly, outward, and the spiritual or inward. The flesh and the spirit war against each other. Who is a Jew but one inwardly indicates the outward or flesh does not apply without an inward reality. Same is true with Christians. So the appearance of Christianity does not assure the reality of a spiritual relationship with Christ.The true spiritual Church can include people from many denominations, but denominations exclude by definition. All I can conclude is if you abide in His words and His words abide in you, you will live with Him. If they do not, then you are trying to be spiritual with a carnal mindset and this will bring division. The spiritual is anti-carnal and the carnal is anti-spiritual. oh yes, also the carnal is anti-carnal because it is a house divided. The Spiritual church being in union with Christ is not divided but everyone is in agreement with Him.

If you could tie this into the topic of the thread with more than just the title; that would be a good thing.

 

[samcarternx]

If you could tie this into the topic of the thread with more than just the title; that would be a good thing.

ok. The denominations, including the rcc have have developed their own sets of carnal behaviors that contradict spiritual truths. This draws rebukes and accusations that make the targets feel spiritually threatened. Roman catholics have been targets for hundreds of years and have come to feel that protestants are their adversaries. Does this tie it up for you Mark?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

ok. The denominations, including the rcc have have developed their own sets of carnal behaviors that contradict spiritual truths. This draws rebukes and accusations that make the targets feel spiritually threatened. Roman catholics have been targets for hundreds of years and have come to feel that protestants are their adversaries. Does this tie it up for you Mark?

Yes, it does, and in this you make some valid points. Religion and politics are similar in that regardless who has the lions share, those who do not will always take an adversarial position; the other party (Church) a defensive position.

It happens to other Churches to. Mine (Confessional Lutheran) was continuously under attack by Calvinists in the 1600s too. Today we are under continuous assault by liberals, fundamentalists, Calvinists and secular humanists (we are on pretty good terms with the Catholic and Orthodox Churches these days, for we face the same detractors).

Draw from this what you will; I still believe that there are far less anti protestant Catholics than most think, but there is a heck of a pile of them and us who will honour our baptismal and confirmation vows, and defend our faiths; it's what we do.

 

[shturt678]

What I understood, old Jack, is that this thread has been off-topic for a long time and it would be nice if we all addressed the question of the thread. That's all I wrote. If that is too much for you, you're excused.

Hey, my friend, got it. Sorry

Just ol' old Jack

 

[Bill McEnaney]

What does "anti-Protestant" mean? Sometimes the word "anti-gay" suggests that anti-gay people hate people who feel same-sex attractions or that we're judgmental because we think that homosexual acts are always immoral. I don't know any Catholics who hate Protestants, but we do disagree strongly with them on many points.

I've devoted years studying Catholicism, Catholic dogma, Thomistic philosophy, and writings by Church's Early Fathers. Each ancient document I've read supports Catholic doctrine, at least for me, my research hardly means that I'm any better than Our Lord's non-Catholic followers. The holiest man I've ever met was a Lutheran minister.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

What does "anti-Protestant" mean? Sometimes the word "anti-gay" suggests that anti-gay people hate people who feel same-sex attractions or that we're judgmental because we think that homosexual acts are always immoral. I don't know any Catholics who hate Protestants, but we do disagree strongly with them on many points.

I've devoted years studying Catholicism, Catholic dogma, Thomistic philosophy, and writings by Church's Early Fathers. Each ancient document I've read supports Catholic doctrine, at least for me, my research hardly means that I'm any better than Our Lord's non-Catholic followers. The holiest man I've ever met was a Lutheran minister.

Yet you remain Catholic. One of the holiest men I ever met was a Catholic Priest; yet I remain Lutheran. While there are some individuals in our Church who are "anti Catholic", and members in the Catholic Church who are "anti Lutheran" and "anti protestant"; both our Churches (despite our theological disagreements) remain "pro Christian".

 

[Bill McEnaney]

Yet you remain Catholic. One of the holiest men I ever met was a Catholic Priest; yet I remain Lutheran. While there are some individuals in our Church who are "anti Catholic", and members in the Catholic Church who are "anti Lutheran" and "anti protestant"; both our Churches (despite our theological disagreements) remain "pro Christian".

Thank you, Mark. Pastor Walter Litke and his heroically saintly wife put me to shame, thank God, because my worst fault is pride.

During high school, when I belonged to his church's youth group, his parishioners invited people to Thanksgiving dinner when they had no one else to eat with. Mom called the Litkes to say, "Pastor, I know we're Catholic, but we'd like to invite someone to dinner." That evening, he called her to say that, since all his parishioners had places to go, he and Mrs. Litke he and she wanted join us. They did, and she astounded me. Although an illness caused her constant physical pain and although it forced her to walk with a brace on her right light, she was one of the most cheerful people I've ever met. Our Lord tells us to take up our crosses and follow Him. She carried hers as if it were feather-light.

 

[Albion]

What does "anti-Protestant" mean? Sometimes the word "anti-gay" suggests that anti-gay people hate people who feel same-sex attractions or that we're judgmental because we think that homosexual acts are always immoral. I don't know any Catholics who hate Protestants, but we do disagree strongly with them on many points.

Well, let's be frank. There's plenty of room in between abject hate and mere disagreement. There is quite a bit of hostility and bitterness directed at Protestantism on the part of many Catholics, although I readily agree that this isn't so of all Catholics. If we take just these CF forums, for example, there are quite a number of ugly names that are used against Protestantism on a regular basis, so I wouldn't call that simple disagreement.

 

[steve_bakr]

Well, let's be frank. There's plenty of room in between abject hate and mere disagreement. There is quite a bit of hostility and bitterness directed at Protestantism on the part of many Catholics, although I readily agree that this isn't so of all Catholics. If we take just these CF forums, for example, there are quite a number of ugly names that are used against Protestantism on a regular basis, so I wouldn't call that simple disagreement.

While there may be some bias against Protestantism in the larger Catholic world, in my opinion what you describe is largely a phenomenon of internet forums, where anonymity lowers people's normal inhibitions. But also the stronger personalities and extreme opinions tend to get more attention.