Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Clear to me, but not sure how the SDA sect will take it.
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So why are the SDAs consider orthodox if the JWs aren't?

It is all so confusing to me........


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Because "details matter" which of course can be confusing to those who are not comfortable with that idea.

Interesting idea that the SDAs are larger than the Southern Baptists - and yet are to be called a "sect" like Paul said the NT christian church was called by the Jewish leaders.

How "instructive". - and off topic

in Christ,

Bob

No it is not O.T.
Perhaps the SDAs are paranoid of the Jesuits because the Jesuits view the SDA sect as unorthodox, heretical or heterodox. Ask a Jesuit eheheh

Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

 

[BobRyan]

No it is not O.T.
Perhaps the SDAs are paranoid of the Jesuits because the Jesuits view the SDA sect as unorthodox or heterodox.

Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

If I only had a nickle for every Protestant group labeled as heterodox, unorthodox - heretic, etc. By the RCC - Jesuit or not.

The dark ages have enough "documentation" to at least help all to understand that basic "detail".

 

[Tzaousios]

The dark ages have enough "documentation" to at least help all to understand that basic "detail".

What does "dark ages" mean except a pejorative term used to describe the period of church history between the death of the last apostle to the sixteenth century?

 

[Targaryen]

So why do you care so much in trying to debunk them. do like the other denominations do. Just say "Ok, but that part of the reason why we did protest in the first place. See you for coffee afterwards?"

 

[BobRyan]

They aren't considered orthodox they have 2 unique doctrines

Christian mortalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Investigative judgment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So here are some groups listed in your link regarding conditional immortality - so while the Investigative Judgment doctrine is unique for Adventists - the conditional immortality doctrine is not unique.

• 3 Historic proponents of the mortality of the soul
  • 3.1 Judaism
  • 3.2 Christian views
    • 3.2.1 Second to eighth centuries
    • 3.2.2 Ninth to fifteenth centuries
    • 3.2.3 The Reformation
    • 3.2.4 Seventeenth to eighteenth centuries
    • 3.2.5 Nineteenth to twentieth centuries
  • 3.3 Modern Christian groups

But here again - it is off topic.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

What does "dark ages" mean except a pejorative term used to describe the period of church history between the death of the last apostle to the sixteenth century?

Some may view those centuries as the golden age for mankind.

But I think that be that as it may - it clearly was the golden age for the RCC.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Tzaousios]

Some may view those centuries as the golden age for mankind.

But I think that be that as it may - it clearly was the golden age for the RCC.

Well, thanks for admitting publicly that you use it as a pejorative, anti-Catholic term rather than a word that describes an actual historical period.

 

[BobRyan]

So - anyway -- back to the topic...

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Which has thus been repealed in the time SINCE Clement XIV. .

no need to convince me that the Pope speaking "in all the fulness of apostolic power" is pretty much meaningless.

I am just surprised that Catholics would jump on that idea as if "yeah... that's the ticket".

My point is that Clement "is not a non-catholic much less an SDA" and that their own pope provides the list of condemning actions they participated in - in history - cannot be blamed on "so many mean non-Catholics... SDAs are the only ones that notice a problem in the Jesuit order" - the way some nonsense gets put out there from time to time.

you know... ."the obvious points" impossible to refute.

We can all see them.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Rhamiel]

do you have any proof of the Jesuits doing something unseemly or just accusations?

 

[Targaryen]

You still not have addressed post #392 Bob, which wasn't my question, it was Coffee's.

 

[Tzaousios]

do you have any proof of the Jesuits doing something unseemly or just accusations?

Hmmm...let me guess...because they are associated with Roman Catholicism?

 

[mmksparbud]

I seem to remember this as an old thread that had disappeared--anyway--I may be repeating myself, but was raised an SDA--went to only SDA schools, except for one year in grade school (worst year of schooling I ever had!)--I never even heard the word Jesuit mentioned by any SDA. There is only one place I ever heard them mentioned---on TV. I grew up watching old movies--from the 30's and 40's and anytime the Jesuits were portrayed in a movie, they were the menacing, quiet, evil ones in the plots that the good guys were trying to win--- Why?--How should I know!--But that was the only place I ever heard about them! They were especially meanacing in old Renaissance themed movies. It were the same in books--I spent my childhood buried in books and old movies, my way of escapism, I was a bit of a loner. But never once, did any SDA ever mention the name to me.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

If I only had a nickle for every Protestant group labeled as heterodox, unorthodox - heretic, etc. By the RCC - Jesuit or not.

The dark ages have enough "documentation" to at least help all to understand that basic "detail".

If the Pope had a nickle for every time an Adventist called him the Antichrist, he could join Benedict in retirement and blow the conspiracy theory out of the water.But then we might be having a thread on Franciscans. You know they all pack hand grenades and Uzis plus the have all the wild animals trained to attack non-Catholics on command. It's a New World Order kinda thing.

 

[Targaryen]

I seem to remember this as an old thread that had disappeared--anyway--I may be repeating myself, but was raised an SDA--went to only SDA schools, except for one year in grade school (worst year of schooling I ever had!)--I never even heard the word Jesuit mentioned by any SDA. There is only one place I ever heard them mentioned---on TV. I grew up watching old movies--from the 30's and 40's and anytime the Jesuits were portrayed in a movie, they were the menacing, quiet, evil ones in the plots that the good guys were trying to win--- Why?--How should I know!--But that was the only place I ever heard about them! They were especially meanacing in old Renaissance themed movies. It were the same in books--I spent my childhood buried in books and old movies, my way of escapism, I was a bit of a loner. But never once, did any SDA ever mention the name to me.

so why does it seem to be a such a big deal, like i've said, on the verge of a Dan brown -like conspiracy theory in regards to the jesuits or for that matter with Catholic doctrine or dogma that the SDA doesn't see as needed?

 

[Rhamiel]

So - anyway -- back to the topic...

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no need to convince me that the Pope speaking "in all the fulness of apostolic power" is pretty much meaningless.

I am just surprised that Catholics would jump on that idea as if "yeah... that's the ticket".

My point is that Clement "is not a non-catholic much less an SDA" and that their own pope provides the list of condemning actions they participated in - in history - cannot be blamed on "so many mean non-Catholics... SDAs are the only ones that notice a problem in the Jesuit order" - the way some nonsense gets put out there from time to time.

you know... ."the obvious points" impossible to refute.

We can all see them.

in Christ,

Bob

fullness of Apostolic Power is not meaningless

do you know who had to bring the Jesuits back? the Pope, NO ONE but the Pope could do that, only 1 person in the entire world had the authority to bring back the Jesuits
so that is not a light thing

Dominus ac Redemptor Noster does not say that the Jesuits were guilty of anything
it says that there have been accusations and that their presence was causing problems

it was causing problems with Bourbon Monarchies
Spain, France, Portugal, Sardinia (I think that was all of them at the time)

it is interesting, that in Protestant Germany (Prussia) and Orthodox Russia the Jesuits were allowed to go on

now if they were so dangerous, would not these non-Catholic countries want to do away with them?
these countries were not under the House of Bourbon so they did not really care

 

[mmksparbud]

so why does it seem to be a such a big deal, like i've said, on the verge of a Dan brown -like conspiracy theory in regards to the jesuits or for that matter with Catholic doctrine or dogma that the SDA doesn't see as needed?

I have no idea about any of this--like I said, all I learned about Jesuits came from movies, not SDA! I still have not heard about them from SDA's!!--I've never heard them mentioned in sermons either, nor in bible study classes nor just in conversations with other SDA's. Have I missed out on something???

 

[Mama Kidogo]

so why does it seem to be a such a big deal, like i've said, on the verge of a Dan brown -like conspiracy theory in regards to the jesuits or for that matter with Catholic doctrine or dogma that the SDA doesn't see as needed?

If you read Ms. White's more famous writings you'd see why. The "prophecy' (that's hard to write even with the hash marks) is primarily based on the debunking of Catholicism in any form as evil. It basically began as a movement against something rather than focusing on what they are for. It's a common method often used by politicians. The theology of Christ seems to have been developed rapidly and came up with some unique doctrine. Jesus being Micheal the archangel, the location of heaven and others.
But they are generally just good people following the teaching of their leaders. it's not like they say this stuff t just be mean. They really believe it and seek out disgruntled or uneducated Catholics like a duck on a June bug.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I have no idea about any of this--like I said, all I learned about Jesuits came from movies, not SDA! I still have not heard about them from SDA's!!--I've never heard them mentioned in sermons either, nor in bible study classes nor just in conversations with other SDA's. Have I missed out on something???

You may have missed out on something. Some Seventh Day Adventists evidently do talk and teach about the Jesuits as the following video clip shows.

Jesuits Catholic Pastors in our Seventh Day Adventist Churches -- MUST SEE!!!! (SDA) - YouTube

I want to make it very clear to all who are reading this post that I do not approve and I do not endorse any statement in the video clip but I include it here as evidence of the existence of SDA teaching and teachers who occupy themselves with alleged Jesuit conspiracies.

 

[~Anastasia~]

... like a duck on a June bug.

I miss hearing expressions like that. They are a little fewer and further between these days. Almost like hen's teeth.

 

[Targaryen]

I've never heard duck on a June bug before....is it an American thing or a regional thing?