Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

[MoreCoffee]

Sorry but your wrong. They are boogeymen working with the Masons to rebuild the temple in Prague so the Antichrist can sacrifice a buzzard in the unholy of unholys. This will upset the Illuminati and they'll set off nukes destroying the world and after it's all over, only those who heeded the prophetess will remain and come out of their bunker with rakes and brooms to sweep up the mess just before boarding the rocket ship to Orion with a pocket full of quarters wearing Nike tennis shoes.

And you know this has to be true as you just read it on the internet. Bonjour.

Tragically your humour is far closer to the "truth" proclaimed in SDA video clips on youtube than it is to reality. I know that was your intention, and I did chuckle but it is rather disturbing that quite a few SDA apologists really believe stuff like your parody.

Zombie troops?

I guess THAT could explain any paranoia.

Indeed, cadaver armies!

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Nope - not according to your own Pope.



That might have been more readily received coming from a comedian rather than the pope.

in Christ,

Bob

Errrr, My pope is not a Jesuit. He's Greek Orthodox.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

What oath would that be?

I ought to point out that the leader of the Society of Jesus is called the Superior General. The word 'general' in that title is not a military designation any more than it is in the title of the book "General Instruction of the Roman Missal"
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Sorry but your wrong. They are boogeymen working with the Masons to rebuild the temple in Prague so the Antichrist can sacrifice a buzzard in the unholy of unholys.

This will upset the Illuminati and they'll set off nukes destroying the world and after it's all over, only those who heeded the prophetess will remain and come out of their bunker with rakes and brooms to sweep up the mess just before boarding the rocket ship to Orion with a pocket full of quarters wearing Nike tennis shoes.
And you know this has to be true as you just read it on the internet. Bonjour.

You should submit that as a script for a new scifi series

Act 17:20
“For you are bringing some strange things to our ears.
Therefore we want to know what these things mean.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y


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[Mama Kidogo]

Tragically your humour is far closer to the "truth" proclaimed in SDA video clips on youtube than it is to reality. I know that was your intention, and I did chuckle but it is rather disturbing that quite a few SDA apologists really believe stuff like your parody.

Indeed, cadaver armies!

I tried my best to top those videos but my imagination does not rise to the level of those SDA video producer's amazing facts. I suppose I should have used multi-colored fonts and continued on for another 5,000 words.
We are called to spread the gospel not go postal about a sweet old bishop who actually is spreading the gospel of Christ.
But I won't try to stop them as it's rather entertaining watching Chicken Little shout the sky is falling.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

You should submit that as a script for a new scifi series

Act 17:20
“For you are bringing some strange things to our ears.
Therefore we want to know what these things mean.”

Twilight Zone intro. - YouTube


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Naw. It would fall woefully short of this:

Heaven Behind Orion - YouTube

 

[Lollerskates]

Jesuits were not the military arm of the Catholic Church. The closest thing to a military arm is the Swiss guards in the Vatican state.

"With the threat of Islam spreading across the Mediterranean region, the Jesuits' first focus was the conversion of Muslims. Shortly after the founding of the order, their focus shifted to counteracting the spread of Protestantism. The Counter-Reformation in the 16th and 17th centuries was largely due to the Jesuits. With their vows of total obedience to the Pope and their strict, military-style training, the Jesuits became feared across Europe as the “storm troopers” of the Catholic Church, and they led armies which recaptured large areas for the Roman Catholic Church. Along with the military actions, their work centered on education and missionary expansion, and by the end of Loyola's life in 1556, there were Jesuits in Japan, Brazil, Ethiopia, and most parts of Europe. Many of the explorers of that period were accompanied by Jesuit priests, eager to bring Catholicism to new lands."

Read more:Who are the Jesuits, and what do they believe?

"Because of the military background of Ignatius and the members' willingness to accept orders anywhere in the world and to live in extreme conditions where required, the opening lines of this founding document would declare that the Society of Jesus was founded for "whoever desires to serve as a soldier of God"[3][bless and do not curse](Spanish:[bless and do not curse]"todo el que quiera militar para Dios"),[4][bless and do not curse]"to strive especially for the defense and propagation of the faith and for the progress of souls in Christian life and doctrine."[5][bless and do not curse]Therefore Jesuits are sometimes referred to colloquially as "God's Soldiers"[6][bless and do not curse]or "God's Marines".[7][bless and do not curse]The Society participated in the[bless and do not curse]Counter-Reformation[bless and do not curse]and later in the implementation of the[bless and do not curse]Second Vatican Council[bless and do not curse]in the Catholic Church."

Society of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mama Kidogo]

"With the threat of Islam spreading across the Mediterranean region, the Jesuits' first focus was the conversion of Muslims. Shortly after the founding of the order, their focus shifted to counteracting the spread of Protestantism. The Counter-Reformation in the 16th and 17th centuries was largely due to the Jesuits. With their vows of total obedience to the Pope and their strict, military-style training, the Jesuits became feared across Europe as the “storm troopers” of the Catholic Church, and they led armies which recaptured large areas for the Roman Catholic Church. Along with the military actions, their work centered on education and missionary expansion, and by the end of Loyola's life in 1556, there were Jesuits in Japan, Brazil, Ethiopia, and most parts of Europe. Many of the explorers of that period were accompanied by Jesuit priests, eager to bring Catholicism to new lands."

Read more:Who are the Jesuits, and what do they believe?

"Because of the military background of Ignatius and the members' willingness to accept orders anywhere in the world and to live in extreme conditions where required, the opening lines of this founding document would declare that the Society of Jesus was founded for "whoever desires to serve as a soldier of God"[3][bless and do not curse](Spanish:[bless and do not curse]"todo el que quiera militar para Dios"),[4][bless and do not curse]"to strive especially for the defense and propagation of the faith and for the progress of souls in Christian life and doctrine."[5][bless and do not curse]Therefore Jesuits are sometimes referred to colloquially as "God's Soldiers"[6][bless and do not curse]or "God's Marines".[7][bless and do not curse]The Society participated in the[bless and do not curse]Counter-Reformation[bless and do not curse]and later in the implementation of the[bless and do not curse]Second Vatican Council[bless and do not curse]in the Catholic Church."

Society of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talk about a highly censored post! I guess military talk can be a bit risque.

 

[Lollerskates]

Talk about a highly censored post! I guess military talk can be a bit risque.

Years wow..., well the link is there (MODS.)

No cursing... dunno why it is censored.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Years wow..., well the link is there (MODS.)

No cursing... dunno why it is censored.

It looked like a redacted CIA memo. Must be a Jesuit plot to silence the truth..

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry but your wrong. They are boogeymen working with the Masons to rebuild the temple in Prague so the Antichrist can sacrifice a buzzard .

Nope - not according to your own Pope.

The straw-man is often raised on "Jesuit" subject threads such as this - that only Seventh-day Adventists or people who pay attention to Bible prophecy would notice any problem at all - with the jesuit order.

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News flash - the Pope himself extinguished the Jesuit order "forever" by "All the Apostolic power" that there is in the "seat of Peter" --

the fulness of our apostolical power, SUPPRESS AND ABOLISH THE SAID COMPANY:

Papal statement abolishing the Jesuit order – 1773. Clement XIV


"in the present case, we are determining upon the fate of a society classed among the mendicant orders, both by its institute and by its privileges; after a mature deliberation, we do, out of our certain knowledge, and the fulness of our apostolical power, SUPPRESS AND ABOLISH THE SAID COMPANY: we deprive it of all activity whatever
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And to this end a member of the regular clergy, recommendable for his prudence and sound morals, shall be chosen to preside over and govern the said houses; so that the name of the Company shall be, and is, for ever extinguished and suppressed."


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So then - was the Pope a Seventh-day Adventst almost 75 years before there ever was one??

Is that how these straw-man claims play out when compared to actual history??

Or is actual history "evil" and should not be noticed??



Well you say that "as if" the Popes were also going around delcaring Dominicans, Franciscans... as all " for ever extinguished and suppressed."" -- as if "That is just what Popes do" in "the fulness of their Apostolic power" and of course "we all knew that - except for Seventh-day Adventists".

Really? that is what you want us to believe?

That might have been more readily received coming from a comedian rather than the pope.

Errrr, My pope is not a Jesuit. He's Greek Orthodox.

If even the Greek Orthodox do not claim him - how much less would SDAs claim that Pope Clement XIV was only saying bad things about Jesuits because he was Seventh-day Adventist.

No way to get the info published by Clement about the Jesuit order - blamed on Seventh-day Adventists.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

What oath would that be?

I ought to point out that the leader of the Society of Jesus is called the Superior General. The word 'general' in that title is not a military designation any more than it is in the title of the book "General Instruction of the Roman Missal"

Here is another quote

[FONT=&quot]and declare [/FONT][FONT=&quot]that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from [/FONT][FONT=&quot]my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ[/FONT]

From :
[FONT=&quot] Journals of the 62nd Congress, 3rd Session[/FONT][FONT=&quot], of the United States Congressional Record (House Calendar No. 397, Report No. 1523, 15 February, 1913, pp. 3215-3216), [/FONT]
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Zombie troops?

I guess THAT could explain any paranoia.

Maybe it just explains why Pope Clement XIV exterminated the order "forever". according to his statement about them.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Lollerskates]

It looked like a redacted CIA memo. Must be a Jesuit plot to silence the truth..

Well the link is there to see.

The Jesuit are known for counter reformation.


"The Jesuits were the most effective of the new Catholic orders. An heir to the[bless and do not curse]devotional,observantine, and[bless and do not curse]legalist[bless and do not curse]traditions, the Jesuits organized along military lines. The worldliness of the Renaissance Church had no part in their new order. Loyola's masterwork[bless and do not curse]Spiritual Exercisesshowed the emphasis of handbooks characteristic of Catholic reformers before the[bless and do not curse]Reformation, reminiscent of[bless and do not curse]devotionalism. The Jesuits became preachers, confessors to monarchs and princes, and humanist educators. Forced to self-justify their position by unflattering prophetic figures and epithets utilized by Protestant Bible scholars of the Papacy,[clarification needed][bless and do not curse]the Jesuits utilized two counter-interpretations of these selfsame prophecies,[bless and do not curse]Futurism[bless and do not curse]andPreterism.[dubious[bless and do not curse]–[bless and do not curse]discuss][bless and do not curse]These were devised to deflect the strength of Protestant Reformation teachings and to shift the use of the Antichrist and analogous prophecies away from the pope and out of the Middle Ages. These methods left an enduring mark upon history.[3][bless and do not curse]Their efforts are largely credited with stemming Protestantism in[bless and do not curse]Poland,[bless and do not curse]Bohemia,[bless and do not curse]Hungary, southern[bless and do not curse]Germany,France, and the Spanish[bless and do not curse]Netherlands."

Counter-Reformation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Well the link is there to see.

The Jesuit are known for counter reformation.


"The Jesuits were the most effective of the new Catholic orders. An heir to the[bless and do not curse]devotional,observantine, and[bless and do not curse]legalist[bless and do not curse]traditions, the Jesuits organized along military lines. The worldliness of the Renaissance Church had no part in their new order. Loyola's masterwork[bless and do not curse]Spiritual Exercisesshowed the emphasis of handbooks characteristic of Catholic reformers before the[bless and do not curse]Reformation, reminiscent of[bless and do not curse]devotionalism. The Jesuits became preachers, confessors to monarchs and princes, and humanist educators. Forced to self-justify their position by unflattering prophetic figures and epithets utilized by Protestant Bible scholars of the Papacy,[clarification needed][bless and do not curse]the Jesuits utilized two counter-interpretations of these selfsame prophecies,[bless and do not curse]Futurism[bless and do not curse]andPreterism.[dubious[bless and do not curse]–[bless and do not curse]discuss][bless and do not curse]These were devised to deflect the strength of Protestant Reformation teachings and to shift the use of the Antichrist and analogous prophecies away from the pope and out of the Middle Ages. These methods left an enduring mark upon history.[3][bless and do not curse]Their efforts are largely credited with stemming Protestantism in[bless and do not curse]Poland,[bless and do not curse]Bohemia,[bless and do not curse]Hungary, southern[bless and do not curse]Germany,France, and the Spanish[bless and do not curse]Netherlands."

Counter-Reformation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I did read it at the link. It did not say bless and do not curse. The filter must be in a bad mood tonight.

 

[Lollerskates]

I did read it at the link. It did not say bless and do not curse. The filter must be in a bad mood tonight.

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I give up!

 

[Rhamiel]

Well the link is there to see.

The Jesuit are known for counter reformation.


"The Jesuits were the most effective of the new Catholic orders. An heir to the[bless and do not curse]devotional,observantine, and[bless and do not curse]legalist[bless and do not curse]traditions, the Jesuits organized along military lines. The worldliness of the Renaissance Church had no part in their new order. Loyola's masterwork[bless and do not curse]Spiritual Exercisesshowed the emphasis of handbooks characteristic of Catholic reformers before the[bless and do not curse]Reformation, reminiscent of[bless and do not curse]devotionalism. The Jesuits became preachers, confessors to monarchs and princes, and humanist educators. Forced to self-justify their position by unflattering prophetic figures and epithets utilized by Protestant Bible scholars of the Papacy,[clarification needed][bless and do not curse]the Jesuits utilized two counter-interpretations of these selfsame prophecies,[bless and do not curse]Futurism[bless and do not curse]andPreterism.[dubious[bless and do not curse]–[bless and do not curse]discuss][bless and do not curse]These were devised to deflect the strength of Protestant Reformation teachings and to shift the use of the Antichrist and analogous prophecies away from the pope and out of the Middle Ages. These methods left an enduring mark upon history.[3][bless and do not curse]Their efforts are largely credited with stemming Protestantism in[bless and do not curse]Poland,[bless and do not curse]Bohemia,[bless and do not curse]Hungary, southern[bless and do not curse]Germany,France, and the Spanish[bless and do not curse]Netherlands."

Counter-Reformation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

what is the point of all this?
btw, full Preterism is not accepted by the Catholic Church

 

[~Anastasia~]

what is the point of all this?
btw, full Preterism is not accepted by the Catholic Church

I suspect someone was bored and there was no real point ...

 

[Mama Kidogo]

...

I give up!

Don't give up. Just laugh it off.
I've met quite a few Jesuits. I have not yet met a militant one. Their older history may be but if so, they seem to have mellowed.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Maybe it just explains why Pope Clement XIV exterminated the order "forever". according to his statement about them.

in Christ,

Bob

Seems they didn't get the memo.

 

[Rhamiel]

Jesuits were a big part of the Counter-Reformation?
ok

they helped stop the spread of Protestantism
they set up schools

 

[Lollerskates]

what is the point of all this?
btw, full Preterism is not accepted by the Catholic Church

The point is the militarism of the Jesuits, especially counter reformation.