Why are most Christians so accepting of magic

[doctorwho29]

I used to be interested in working magic too but I've moved on. I still read Harry Potter and all of that and I love it. Do I fantasize about that kind of stuff? Yes I do. Mainly because in Harry Potter it's an inborn power and nothing satanic. Would I ever, ever actually try to work a real life spell? No. I see it as fun, separate reality from fiction, and move on. I think we can teach our young people to think this way and be just fine.

By the way, twice now I've mentioned fairy tales and Disney movies? Why won't you comment on that?

 

[Archivist]

Food is a necessity to live. Eating a piece of meat sacrificed to an idol also had restrictions, too. You could not eat such meat around certain individuals.

Food is a creation of God. No man change food so as to be sinful on a atomic level. But when men create a movie, and put their sinful ideas within them, then it is a sinful creation of man. They promote sin within these movies without any correction of such sins. Like hanging out with worldly old buddies that still sin, a secular movie, book, video game, comic book, or song can promote ideas of sin upon you and influence you to sin. I remember when I was a kid and I played Dungeons and Dragons. By my playing that game, I was influenced to wanting to cast a real spell. Good thing the Lord protected me from my brief desire at that time in my life from going down a wrong path, but sin being promoted in secular entertainment has a way of making you to want to sin in real life. It's just like hanging out with people who sin. It is no different. What fellowship does light have with darkness?

What do you mean “buddies who still sin?” That’s all of us.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I used to be interested in working magic too but I've moved on. I still read Harry Potter and all of that and I love it. Do I fantasize about that kind of stuff? Yes I do. Mainly because in Harry Potter it's an inborn power and nothing satanic. Would I ever, ever actually try to work a real life spell? No. I see it as fun, separate reality from fiction, and move on. I think we can teach our young people to think this way and be just fine.

By the way, twice now I've mentioned fairy tales and Disney movies? Why won't you comment on that?

First, the Bible never describes magic as ever being good, but only as something sinful. So there is no such thing as good magic (even if one wanted to simply fantasize about it).

Second, you believe it is okay to fantasize about the sin of witchcraft that God condemns heavily in the Old Testament with death to the person who works such witchcraft or magic, but it is not okay to do it? Jesus condemns the sin of lusting after a woman as being the equivalent of physical adultery. In Matthew 5:28-30, Jesus raised the bar on adultery and said that if any man looks upon a woman in lust, he has committed adultery in his heart. The apostle John (under the influence of the Spirit) raised the bar on murder. 1 John 3:15 says that if any man hates his brother, they are like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

As for fairy tales, and Disney movies:
They promote sin within them (without any correction of those sins).
It's like hanging out with your old buddies that still sin in front of you.
Their sins can influence you to sin, too. The same is true with a secular sinful movie.
You may not think it is effecting you to sin, but it will in time effect you in some way.

Do you have a problem with watching this movie?

Christian Headlines - Disney Pixar Movie.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What do you mean “buddies who still sin?” That’s all of us.

Yep. This is the reason why I will not endless debate this with you.

 

[doctorwho29]

Onward is great and I'm very sad about the LGBT character because otherwise it's an awesome film.

I still don't think it's on the level of sex. Sex is truly corrupting, truly addictive, and it's chemical. It's a chemical thing unlike witchcraft. I know because I struggle with sexual fantasies and sexual sins but witchcraft has (except for once or twice) been actually seductive. Notice Jesus did only single out sex and anger but He never did say anything about magical fantasies. I agree that it's extremely wicked and any witchcraft would be connected to the Devil in real life. However in the world of fiction, usually as a metaphor, it's different. This is simply how I see things as a dedicated Christian with a Bachelor's degree in Ministry. Maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time lol. I'm far from perfect and I just try to please God as best I can and enjoy life

 

[doctorwho29]

For they believe that the Christian can sin and still be saved (Which is something I am directly opposed to).

Well I'm glad that you're so perfect that you never sin. That must be nice...and totally unBiblical.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Onward is great and I'm very sad about the LGBT character because otherwise it's an awesome film.

I still don't think it's on the level of sex. Sex is truly corrupting, truly addictive, and it's chemical. It's a chemical thing unlike witchcraft. I know because I struggle with sexual fantasies and sexual sins but witchcraft has (except for once or twice) been actually seductive. Notice Jesus did only single out sex and anger but He never did say anything about magical fantasies. I agree that it's extremely wicked and any witchcraft would be connected to the Devil in real life. However in the world of fiction, usually as a metaphor, it's different. This is simply how I see things as a dedicated Christian with a Bachelor's degree in Ministry. Maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time lol. I'm far from perfect and I just try to please God as best I can and enjoy life

Wow. Unbelievable. Then again, God's Word said that things like this would happen. It's the little sins that you don't think are harmful that are the most destructive.

 

[doctorwho29]

No one is perfect. Everyone sins and struggles. I'm not saying that we should embrace it but we should learn to relax a little and trust in the Grace of Jesus.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well I'm glad that you're so perfect that you never sin. That must be nice...and totally unBiblical.

Are you truly glad when a believer does not sin?

I don't believe all sin condemns a believer spiritually. Paul was not condemned when he disobeyed the warnings of the Holy Spirit in going to Jerusalem. In other words, there are faults of character that the Bible does not menion as sin that will not condemn us. Going over the speed limit a little (without being aware of it) is not a mortal sin mentioned in the Bible. Jesus specifically stated we can be judged by the very words He stated by our not receiving such words in John 12:48.

Even the apostle Paul (the famous grace preacher) did clearly condemn certain sins. For he said that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God and he listed sins like murder, hate, adultery, theft, idolatry, sorceries, etc. (See: Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:5-6).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No one is perfect. Everyone sins and struggles. I'm not saying that we should embrace it but we should learn to relax a little and trust in the Grace of Jesus.

No offense, but I believe this type of thinking is the wide gate path. Most today think that Jesus takes away their future sin, and all they have to do is believe in Jesus and they are good to go to Heaven. It doesn't work like that.

 

[doctorwho29]

Are you truly glad when a believer does not sin?

I don't believe all sin condemns a believer spiritually. Paul was not condemned when he disobeyed the warnings of the Holy Spirit in going to Jerusalem. In other words, there are faults of character that the Bible does not menion as sin that will not condemn us. Going over the speed limit a little (without being aware of it) is not a mortal sin mentioned in the Bible. Jesus specifically stated we can be judged by the very words He stated by our not receiving such words in John 12:48.

Even the apostle Paul (the famous grace preacher) did clearly condemn certain sins. For he said that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God and he listed sins like murder, hate, adultery, theft, idolatry, sorceries, etc. (See: Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Colossians 3:5-6).

Read on...he also said "and some of you were as such." No sin condemns us for all time. What exactly is your Biblically based reasoning that future sins aren't covered by the cross? Wouldn't that make the cross sort of useless?

 

[doctorwho29]

Are you truly glad when a believer does not sin?

Yes I am glad but I know it won't last. Not on this side of Heaven. We're human and God doesn't expect us to be any different. Paul called himself the chief of sinners and that he knew what was right and still did wrong. He was speaking present tense. Jesus said "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak."

Christians sin. It's simply a fact. Sanctification is a life long process that will never be truly complete

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Read on...he also said "and some of you were as such." No sin condemns us for all time. What exactly is your Biblically based reasoning that future sins aren't covered by the cross? Wouldn't that make the cross sort of useless?

Check out this CF thread:
Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

Side Note:

While I am not a fan of the attitude (or behavior) of the Christian who posts these verses, they are true nonetheless.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes I am glad but I know it won't last. Not on this side of Heaven.

Then what do you make of these verses in what they are saying?

“And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:24).

1 “Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.” (1 Peter 4:1-2).

“Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).​

We're human and God doesn't expect us to be any different.

So what do you make of these verses in the Bible?

“...Be ye holy; for I am holy.” (1 Peter 1:16).

14 “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;” (Hebrews 12:14-15).

“For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” (1 Thessalonians 4:7).

“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8).

14 “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”
(Revelation 22:14-15).​

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Paul called himself the chief of sinners and that he knew what was right and still did wrong.

As for Romans 7:14-24 that sounds like Paul is struggling with sin as a Christian. This kind of reading has to ignore all of the context that surrounds this passage. Actually Paul is talking as a Pharisee before he became a Christian in Romans 7:14-24. Romans 7:6 says we are to serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. The oldness of the letter is the 613 Old Testament Commands or the Torah. Romans 8:3-5 says,

3 "For what the law could not do, THAT IT WAS WEAK THRU THE FLESH (i.e. Saul's or Paul's past struggle as a Pharisee with sin) God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." (Romans 8:3-5).​

For there are TWO Laws mentioned in Romans 8:2. The first one is a New Covenant Law and the second is an Old Covenant Law. The Law of Sin and Death is Old Covenant because you could be put to death physically by not obeying it. Keeping the NT Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus sets us free from the Law of Sin and Death. So it is not law that is bad in general. It is knowing which Law to follow. For Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

Also, Paul says we are sold under sin in Romans 7:14 and yet in Romans 8:2 he says he is free from sin. So unless Paul is contradicting himself he is speaking from two different perspectives.

Also, Christians do not normally ask the question: "Who shall deliver me from this body of death?"

Did Paul forget who Jesus was? Surely not. Paul was speaking from his experience as a Pharisee in Romans 7:24. Then in Romans 7:25, Paul switches back to talking as a Christian again.

He was speaking present tense. Jesus said "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak."

Jesus also told two people to “sin no more” (John 5:14) (John 8:11).
If it was not possible for a person to “sin no more” than Jesus would have been lying. But that's not possible because Jesus is God and He cannot lie. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Jesus would never steer us in the wrong direction.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Christians sin. It's simply a fact. Sanctification is a life long process that will never be truly complete

Then why would Peter talk about false teachers (and or false prophets) being characterized in the fact that they cannot cease from sin?

1 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
14 “Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:” (2 Peter 2:1) (2 Peter 2:14).

 

[doctorwho29]

All that you mentioned simply means that we strive to be better than we were yesterday. We are made "Holy" by the Holy Spirit living within us but we are still sinful humans. I'm sorry but it is simply not possible to perfect this side of Heaven.

Are you honestly going to tell me that you never sin? that you are totally free of all sin and sinful desire?

 

[doctorwho29]

We can conquer addiction if God chooses to do so but we will always sin in little ways until we die. Paul struggled with a "thorn in the flesh" that God refused to remove saying "My Grace is enough." Now it may not be an addiction or sin but God's response seems to imply that it was.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

All that you mentioned simply means that we strive to be better than we were yesterday. We are made "Holy" by the Holy Spirit living within us but we are still sinful humans. I'm sorry but it is simply not possible to perfect this side of Heaven.

Are you honestly going to tell me that you never sin? that you are totally free of all sin and sinful desire?

No. Go back and offer a word for word commentary on at least a few of the verses I presented. If not, you are not dealing with what God's Word says.

Most often in cases like these, I am asked: “Do you sin?”

It is written,

5 "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house." (Micah 7:5-6).​

Also, the forum rules encourage in order to have smooth relations on the forums that we are not to address the poster or the individual, but we are to stick to the topic with Scripture.

In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God's Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God's Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

We can conquer addiction if God chooses to do so but we will always sin in little ways until we die. Paul struggled with a "thorn in the flesh" that God refused to remove saying "My Grace is enough." Now it may not be an addiction or sin but God's response seems to imply that it was.

Well, you can go ahead and keep telling yourself that, or you can read the Bible verses I provided for you and believe them at face value.

I choose to believe the Bible.