Why are most Christians politically right wing?

[Romans 8]

Yikes. Are you gonna claim anyone who uses the roads and bridges paid for by taxes indicates they don't have enough faith? They don't have faith in God to not need a bridge and they should teleport to the other side by their faith? That's the biggest deflection ever. All of the prophets of the bible were ruled over governments, did they not have faith? You don't think God can provide for you by using the government? A miraculous healing and surgery by God couldn't have been helped by government-funded health care? It's not a faith issue at all... it's not a responsibility issue either, and it is massive straw man to say people who think it's a good idea are lazy. People who support the system do think logically, and think of their other brethren rather than just themselves. It is a system that benefits everyone, and that is absolutely moral to distribute wealth to help the poor.

Why yes, that's exactly what I was thinking, teleportation and all.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Exactly, the country need three official parties even if it means thirds instead of halves across the nation. That way two will have to align to have power and if the newest party just happened to actually be of non greedy people, there is a good chance social justice and reforms could be gained.

I almost think we need to throw the rascals out, have new parties less beholden to the powers that be. Jefferson said a little revolution would be a good thing from time to time. That was back in the day the big two parties were Whigs and Democrats. Whigs are gone. Past due for Democrats to disappear. The party of slavery after all. And I think Trump is in the process of killing off the Republicans. Just like China needs a new political Party, we need at least two of them.

Democrats played that they were the party of the little guy. They were pro-labor and pro-farmer and pro-life. Now they feed off of the labor vote because labor doesn't know where else to turn. Farmers are a rare breed and they vote mostly Republican anyway. And abortion shows they are not at all for the little guy. The Republicans have never been great at it, which is why they are not the majority party. I want a party where I can agree with the platform pretty much all the way. I have (sort of) found that with the American Solidarity Party, but they have some growing up to do.

 

[RDKirk]

I will put forth one argument against communism. People risked their lives and many died tried to escape communist countries. People risk their lives trying to in to republics.

In relation to socialism: The problem is that when you allow the government to take care of you like a nanny state, you become more and more dependent on the government until you can no longer take care of yourself. At that point, the government owns you on a whole different level.

The problem with our country is not capitalism, it's secularism. When people no longer act with a conscience the government ends up having to step in.

Companies are out of control because they no longer regulate themselves. The government is taking over charity because people do not feel a moral obligation to do it. The chasm between the rich and the poor is increasing and the middle class is dwindling because there is no conscience making people recognize when they have enough.

The solution is not to keep giving the government more power. The solution is to be disciplined enough to start holding companies accountable as a collective people. We don't have to choose between being compassion-less or being morally corrupt. We choose to pretend that it has to be this way.

The US didn't just get that way, it started out that way. You're talking about turning the nation away from the path it's been on since the Boston Tea Party.

The cruel excesses of the so-called Gilded Age were curbed only by the federal government stepping in--and that was over 100 years ago. That's been reverted in just the last twenty or so years so that we're back to a new "Guilded Age"...and interestingly, history is repeating itself with the election of such people as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

 

[Dave-W]

Ecc 10:2

A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him toward the left...

That was an observation. This is a COMMAND:

Deuteronomy 5:32
So you shall observe to do just as the Lord your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right or to the left

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I never understood this because what the right stands for is not even biblical. Two of the things that are absolutely biblical and correct from the right/conservatism are : 1. Anti-LGBT and 2. Pro-Life. And I agree with this, along with general traditional family values and biblical morality. But everything else in the right wing you can argue is completely against Christianity and what Jesus taught. Everything in the right seems to be based on political identity and culture, not Jesus Christ. So I don't understand why right wing politics caters to Christian evangelicals so much.

1. would be more accurately described as Pro-Bible, and evangelicals tend to be Protestants and Protestantism is strongly connected to the freedom of religion, with those closest to the Reformation knowing from experience the potential for harmful effects of man made Theocracies. From this it follows the more control a government has over peoples lives, the closer we approach the secular version of a Theocracy, which is even worse than the pre-Reformation RCC Theocracies. The ring wing puts higher value on the founding documents of America like the US Constitution for example, and conservatives tend to have greater appreciation for our "Founding Fathers" by way of recognizing the Christian influences which led to making America a "great" country to live in by having greater freedom and opportunities as opposed to other types of government in other countries. Christianity embraces freedom, the heart set free from the bondage of sin, the enslaved will set free by Christ, and granted freedom to please God in so many ways, in everything. God bless America, my home sweet home.

 

[Kaon]

I never understood this because what the right stands for is not even biblical. Two of the things that are absolutely biblical and correct from the right/conservatism are : 1. Anti-LGBT and 2. Pro-Life. And I agree with this, along with general traditional family values and biblical morality. But everything else in the right wing you can argue is completely against Christianity and what Jesus taught. Everything in the right seems to be based on political identity and culture, not Jesus Christ. So I don't understand why right wing politics caters to Christian evangelicals so much.

Because we (humans) are an incredibly ignorant lot.

We beg for other humans to rule over us as if they are actually better in any measurable way, we expect this of our leaders, and then when they don't meet our expectations we either turn a blind eye or schedule their evisceration. We imagine subtleties in sweet language is enough to give us security in the humans we choose to rule over us. And, because we are terrified of our own power, we lease it to these humans we choose to rule over us. This is a psychosis.


Left, right or center is so far removed from the Word of God Himself it would be laughable to say that any facet represented Him.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why do people always assume some institution/organization has to administer charity work. Jesus said love neighbour as self.

Because a lot of charity work has to work at a large scale in order to be effective, and you can't do anything at a large scale without good organization and infrastructure.

Small communities did it all the time, looking out for each other back in the day, lending a helping hand when needed. Wasn't a big deal until a nation became one big city and people withdrew themselves from their communities, losing the personal touch..

IME, city folk are more community-oriented than folks in the suburbs and exurbs. Rural farm folk are some sort of weird mix that I don't understand, being both highly communal and highly solitary. But for city folk, it's hard not to be neighborly when you're all up in each others' business all the time.

 

[RDKirk]

Because a lot of charity work has to work at a large scale in order to be effective, and you can't do anything at a large scale without good organization and infrastructure.

It's the same even for the Body of Christ. What we read in Acts 2 and Acts 4 about the economic fellowship of the believers was possible because the church in Jerusalem was a megachurch.

And we see that they soon had to develop good organization and infrastructure.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It's the same even for the Body of Christ. What we read in Acts 2 and Acts 4 about the economic fellowship of the believers was possible because the church in Jerusalem was a megachurch.

And we see that they soon had to develop good organization and infrastructure.

I just went through deacon orientation an hour ago, where we went through Acts 6, which talks about how the disciples were getting overloaded with minutia and needed to delegate responsibilities in order to free them up to teach.

 

[timothyu]

Back then it was the king or the church who would give back to the people for taxes paid, today it is the government. Same idea just a different time and way of doing things.

Every kingdom or nation that thrived made sure the line wasn't crossed where the elite di not overstep their bounds but left enough wealth for the masses to be happy. We see today that greed has overwhelmed that principle and as a result, soon enough revolution will once again occur as it has in the past when the balance was ignored.

The masses may be bamboozled by authourity today into believing authourity is necessary to protect them and the elite must be allowed to prosper in order to do so, but that nonsense will soon hopefully once again be seen through as fraudulent as history has always shown, that is unless you've fallen for the new alternate history where feudalism and bondage to debt has always been our saviour.

 

[timothyu]

And we see that they soon had to develop good organization and infrastructure.

Following the traditions of the institutions of man rather than of the Kingdom. As in the early days of Christianity, from the ways of the Way to the ways of the Roman Empire. No surprise there.

 

[RDKirk]

Following the traditions of the institutions of man rather than of the Kingdom. No surprise there.

Are you saying that selecting spirit-filled men as deacons was an error?

 

[timothyu]

It is a system that benefits everyone, and that is absolutely moral to distribute wealth to help the poor.

Those who defend a parasitic system might not agree. But then they too must not only fight the notion of social justice, but God Himself for suggesting it.

They misrepresent distribution of wealth as coming out of their own pocket. They have been conned into believing that is the same as letting all wealth flow to a few rather than to the many as it once was. Time to tip the upside down pyramid over and give it a shake.

 

[timothyu]

Are you saying that selecting spirit-filled men as deacons was an error?

No even the church in Jerusalem had it's elders. But they did not revert to following a system traditional to man. They were of the Kingdom. That faded even though Paul taught it also. Gentiles like to keep things the way they were, the original conservatives

 

[timothyu]

almost think we need to throw the rascals out, have new parties less beholden to the powers that be.

Nothing will change. Man is inherently self serving. Besides he who controls the money controls the world, not the politicians, governments or political parties. To make change man has to stop bowing to this god that uses money and debt to control mankind. It's much bigger than puny politics designed to have man falsely believe they have some say in the way things are. Biggest con ever.

 

[timothyu]

Christianity embraces freedom, the heart set free from the bondage of sin, the enslaved will set free by Christ, and granted freedom to please God in so many ways, in everything. God bless America, my home sweet home.

Actually that freedom is the Kingdom and away from the institutions and traditions of man. Nations like to claim God is on their side but the only side He is on is the Kingdom which runs opposite to the ways of man. You have simply chosen the governance of man over the governance of God.

God says don't use me to justify your deeds, instead change to suit my will.

 

[timothyu]

Because a lot of charity work has to work at a large scale in order to be effective, and you can't do anything at a large scale without good organization and infrastructure.

If everyone looked out for their neighbour that would blanket the world. It don't get much bigger than that.

 

[RDKirk]

No even the church in Jerusalem had it's elders. But they did not revert to following a system traditional to man. They were of the Kingdom. That faded even though Paul taught it also. Gentiles like to keep things the way they were, the original conservatives

So what was the point of your post in response to mine about the congregation at Jerusalem?

 

[RDKirk]

If everyone looked out for their neighbour that would blanket the world. It don't get much bigger than that.

It goes beyond the ability of one person to truly help someone in serious problems.

An average individual can't solve the problems that make someone homeless or a prostitute or a drug addict.

 

[timothyu]

An average individual can't solve the problems that make someone homeless or a prostitute or a drug addict.

It often takes only one person to put them in that position in the first place. But yes sometime community is required. Is that not also the purpose of the church? Even crowd-funding is outpacing the church these days. The church has often become like the governments telling others to dig deep.