Why are most christians against asylum seekers?

martinlb said:

Who is talking about sacrificing their families and children?

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Didn't you watch the video in post 200? You 'liked' it...

Landon Caeli said:

ISIS is a band of murderers and rapists. They worship Satan. They hate God and the Holy Spirit and they hate you if you're Christian [or muslim.....or basically, just not them.] Anyone who thinks they can persuede ISIS in any way is a fool, and anyone who sacrifices their families, including their children for ISIS' sake, has helped ISIS and their father the devil.

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Just a little fix

Landon Caeli said:

Didn't you watch the video in post 200? You 'liked' it...

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I liked what was said but didn't watch the video. I generally avoid videos but I'll take a look, thanks.

Landon Caeli said:

Didn't you watch the video in post 200? You 'liked' it...

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Okay... I just watched the video and I don't see anything in it that talks about not doing what God tells us to do if there are risks involved or if things look hopeless. The post I replied to seems almost directly opposite of what the video was about. But, you're right. That video does show how doing God's will in this broken world can result in families and children being sacrificed. Pretty much the same as Abraham with Isaac, it seems to me. I hadn't thought about it in this way before but I wonder now if we can make a legitimate connection and say that our obedience to God in this matter could be the same kind of test Abraham underwent.

thatbrian said:

The connection you are trying to make about modern-day homelessness and Jesus traveling with the apostles is not there. That's my point.

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I believe there is definitely a connection. Elijah is described in the Book of Kings as being "swift of foot" (a traveler) and he lived in the "wilderness and had a wild appearance", at one point he was taken in by a widowed woman. The polite term is "rambling man", the term "hobo" also comes to mind. John the Baptist is described the same way, a recluse wearing a hairy shirt who lived in the wilderness eating wild honey and grasshoppers. I can relate to that, I dug up earth worms and ate them raw when I walked down the San Francisco River from New Mexico to Stanton Arizona. Been there, done that. Raw eggs from bird's nests tastes better than worms though, and it goes down easier. Don't chew !

We've already read from another CF member, according to Scripture, the "Son of Man will have no place to rest his head". I didn't even get the chance to post that one, he beat me to it. In the Gospel, a rich man asked Jesus what he needed to do to follow him, and Jesus replied, "Go and sell that which you have, and give the money to the poor", (Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21). Jesus didn't tell the rich man to bring the money back to him. In fact, there is no evidence in the Gospel record of Jesus ever personally handling money, except when he showed the Pharisees a Roman coin and said "Render unto Cesar the things that are Cesars, and unto God, that which are Gods', (Matthew 22:21)' and he had to borrow the coin from one of the Pharisees to illustrate his point. I suppose you'd call someone today who has no interest in money, or the things money can buy a "vagrant", wouldn't you ?! Isn't that the right label you'd use ?

Have you noticed the number of Cf members in this thread who disagree with you ? I'm knocking back some serious "likes" trying to explain the "spirituality" of homelessness to you "thatbrian", I just got another medal a minute ago. Christians recognize other Christians when they hear their voice, (John 10:27). Go and sell everything you have, take a walk from Houston to Sweetwater Texas in July, and when you meet a illegal Mexican immigrant hiding in a culvert, see if he doesn't offer to share his food and water with you... then you'll understand what I already know.

FYI. A sociologist working on her degree at a shelter told me, the incidence of mental illness, drug abuse, alcoholism, crime and domestic violence, is no higher in the homeless population than it is in the general population. Want her phone number ? She's probably still working at the same shelter. It wasn't all that long ago I met Karen.

And personally, I don't think George was mentally ill. As for his curse not being worthy in scale with OT prophecy, I'd say the Worst Environmental Disaster in the History of the South Western Unites States is a pretty darn impressive start for a prophet.

That by the way, that is my point. Asylum seekers and those in "internal exile" (homelessness) in the America share this in common. They both have arrived at a place in their lives where they have been "stripped" of all their illusions. Property and wealth mean nothing to them anymore, because everything they ever had was taken from them once already. "You brought nothing into this world, and you won't take anything out with you".

I don't regret what happened to me in the ten years after Hurricane Katrina one bit. Not even one second of it. It was a "blessing" from God, to be stripped of all my illusions of control, power and material wealth. It opened my eyes and my ears. If that makes me appear crazy to the rest of the world, well.. Amen to that.

stephen583 said:

I believe there is definitely a connection. Elijah is described in the Book of Kings as being "swift of foot" (a traveler) and he lived in the "wilderness and had a wild appearance", at one point he was taken in by a widowed woman. The polite term is "rambling man", the term "hobo" also comes to mind. John the Baptist is described the same way, a recluse wearing a hairy shirt who lived in the wilderness eating wild honey and grasshoppers. I can relate to that, I dug up earth worms and ate them raw when I walked down the San Francisco River from New Mexico to Stanton Arizona. Been there, done that. Raw eggs from bird's nests tastes better than worms though, and it goes down easier. Don't chew !

We've already read from another CF member, according to Scripture, the "Son of Man will have no place to rest his head". I didn't even get the chance to post that one, he beat me to it. In the Gospel, a rich man asked Jesus what he needed to do to follow him, and Jesus replied, "Go and sell that which you have, and give the money to the poor", (Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21). Jesus didn't tell the rich man to bring the money back to him. In fact, there is no evidence in the Gospel record of Jesus ever personally handling money, except when he showed the Pharisees a Roman coin and said "Render unto Cesar the things that are Cesars, and unto God, that which are Gods', (Matthew 22:21)' and he had to borrow the coin from one of the Pharisees to illustrate his point. I suppose you'd call someone today who has no interest in money, or the things money can buy a "vagrant", wouldn't you ?! Isn't that the right label you'd use ?

Have you noticed the number of Cf members in this thread who disagree with you ? I'm knocking back some serious "likes" trying to explain the "spirituality" of homelessness to you "thatbrian", I just got another medal a minute ago. Christians recognize other Christians when they hear their voice, (John 10:27). Go and sell everything you have, take a walk from Houston to Sweetwater Texas in July, and when you meet a illegal Mexican immigrant hiding in a culvert, see if he doesn't offer to share his food and water with you... then you'll understand what I already know.

FYI. A sociologist working on her degree at a shelter told me, the incidence of mental illness, drug abuse, alcoholism, crime and domestic violence, is no higher in the homeless population than it is in the general population. Want her phone number ? She's probably still working at the same shelter. It wasn't all that long ago I met Karen. And personally, I don't think George was mentally ill.

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The praise of the praiseworthy is what is important to me. Praise from some of the sorts on CF would actually prove that one is wrong, no?

Your comments and comparisons are reaching for the typical bleeding heart liberal, hippy Jesus, which is to distort Him into something He's simply not. That's my entire contention here.

If I bump into any people who are in the states illegally, I'll be sure to notify the authorities.

“Praise from the praise-worthy is beyond all rewards.”

― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers

Circle Christ said:

Have you arrived at that information through the teachings of David Wood?

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Don't know him. Whis is your teacher?

rambot said:

;-)
There was gonna be....then I changed my mind. The one point though was REAAAAAAAAL good though

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I definitely have to remember that one.

pat34lee said:

Don't know him. Whis is your teacher?

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No. But he too speaks of the stages of Jihad. He has a video channel as well.

Many muslims are coming to Christ over this crisis, as they are realizing the lie their old religion is. We can't bring bibles to these areas of the world they come from. The more that come the merrier, anything that progresses the gospel is good.

ChristsSoldier115 said:

Many muslims are coming to Christ over this crisis, as they are realizing the lie their old religion is. We can't bring bibles to these areas of the world they come from. The more that come the merrier, anything that progresses the gospel is good.

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It's so awesome what God is doing in bringing many Muslims to Christ!

There are people and organizations who dare to help distribute Bibles. It's harder to come by, that's for sure, but God is big.

I do believe that Jesus meant what he said when he said we should love our enemies and do good to those who hate us. He told us to love our neighbors as ourselves. As individual believers we should be helping people in need and in bad situations. But I also believe that it is against the command of love to put our neighbor in danger. Would it be right to put a child molester in our house with our children? Or perhaps to put one in our neighbors house? How about a rapist? Should they be allowed to live with our neighbors who have teenage daughters?

We know for a fact that ISIS is putting members with the refugees. We also know that Islamists rape and sexually assault people as well as commit murder. When Jesus said we should visit those in jail, he didn't say we should let them all out in the name of love.

It is NOT loving to put our neighbors, friends and family in danger. Also it is not loving to allow people in the country that will put a further burden on our fellow citizens to take care of them. More immigrants will take more jobs away from our citizens here. And if they do not then our fellow citizens are going to have to pay for their care. That is not loving either. Jesus' mandate is for individual Christians to get involved when they see a need of someone. It is also an individual Christians command to love our enemies and do good to those who curse us. If I put my life in danger or even my families life in danger to fulfill the command of Jesus then I am following his commands.

But if I put my fellow citizens lives in danger I am not fulfilling the command to love my neighbor. Because if I was I would not be putting his life and his families life in danger. I am commanded to put my neck on the line for the sake of Jesus. I am not commanded to put my neighbors neck on the line.

Circle Christ said:

No. But he too speaks of the stages of Jihad. He has a video channel as well.

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Ok. He may be the first to list them, but I think there are others now.

pat34lee said:

Ok. He may be the first to list them, but I think there are others now.

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Sure, that is entirely possible. He's the only one I knew of. Which is why I asked if that was the person who was your source.
Thanks.

Just reading page 1 of this thread....and honestly it's shocking. I'd like to reply, but even page 1 is too much. But it is an answer to another question: Why differences between Christians are so vast.

For someone to call themselves a Christian, and write "Trump 2016" is beyond my wildest dreams. There are literally not two more contracting concepts I can think of. Like we can disagree about many things, but at the end, sometimes, you just have to stare wide-eyed and clueless. It is like a committed vegetarian explaining how much he loves eating meat. Or someone who hates horror movies watching a "Saw" marathon for three weeks straight.

What is a Christian? Is there anything we can agree on?

HighwayMan said:

Just reading page 1 of this thread....and honestly it's shocking. I'd like to reply, but even page 1 is too much. But it is an answer to another question: Why differences between Christians are so vast.

For someone to call themselves a Christian, and write "Trump 2016" is beyond my wildest dreams. There are literally not two more contracting concepts I can think of. Like we can disagree about many things, but at the end, sometimes, you just have to stare wide-eyed and clueless. It is like a committed vegetarian explaining how much he loves eating meat. Or someone who hates horror movies watching a "Saw" marathon for three weeks straight.

What is a Christian? Is there anything we can agree on?

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Let's start with why you think a Christian shouldn't vote
for Trump, as opposed to Hillary or Sanders. What do they
do that seems godly to you, that Trump does not? Preferably
something done in the past, not "He's going to destroy America."

HighwayMan said:

Just reading page 1 of this thread....and honestly it's shocking. I'd like to reply, but even page 1 is too much. But it is an answer to another question: Why differences between Christians are so vast.

For someone to call themselves a Christian, and write "Trump 2016" is beyond my wildest dreams. There are literally not two more contracting concepts I can think of. Like we can disagree about many things, but at the end, sometimes, you just have to stare wide-eyed and clueless. It is like a committed vegetarian explaining how much he loves eating meat. Or someone who hates horror movies watching a "Saw" marathon for three weeks straight.

What is a Christian? Is there anything we can agree on?

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You're conflating Liberal politics with Christianity. They are not the same thing.

thatbrian said:

You're conflating Liberal politics with Christianity. They are not the same thing.

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Liberal politics like this?

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Liberal politics about not demonizing entire groups of people, acting like an arrogant buffoon, bragging about sleeping with many women, owning strip bars and casinos, etc. etc.

Again, I ask the question, what is Christianity? If a person can claim to be a Trump supporter and be a Christian at the same time, what definition are we left with? Is there anything we can agree on?

HighwayMan said:

Liberal politics like this?

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Liberal politics about not demonizing entire groups of people, acting like an arrogant buffoon, bragging about sleeping with many women, owning strip bars and casinos, etc. etc.

Again, I ask the question, what is Christianity? If a person can claim to be a Trump supporter and be a Christian at the same time, what definition are we left with? Is there anything we can agree on?

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I'm voting for Trump, and I'll give him the max campaign contribution, as well. Are you saying that I'm not a Christian. Actually, it appears you already have.