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Why are creationists so threatened by science?

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Maybe they're threatened because they want to pick their own food and herd cattle for a few more centuries before they realize that science and inovation are the right way to go.
Which brings up another good point.

Internet scientists love to prompt us to hunt witches, yet they won't prompt us to raise sheep and cattle for peace offerings, and thank offerings, and wave offerings, and burnt offerings and sin offerings.
 
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Which brings up another good point.

Internet scientists love to prompt us to hunt witches, yet they won't prompt us to raise sheep and cattle for peace offerings, and thank offerings, and wave offerings, and burnt offerings and sin offerings.

I'm a little confused there ._.
 
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I'm a little confused there ._.

Suppose someone calls me a 'hypocrite' for not hunting witches?

After all, the Bible says ...

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Why don't they also call me a 'hypocrite' for not doing the other 612 commandments in the Old Testament?
 
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Suppose someone calls me a 'hypocrite' for not hunting witches?

After all, the Bible says ...

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Why don't they also call me a 'hypocrite' for not doing the other 612 commandments in the Old Testament?

Hypocrisy comes from picking and choosing which ones to follow.
 
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If you don't believe me, then let's take geocentrism for example.

Are you telling me, CabVet, that prior to Joshua 10, not one person believed in geocentrism?

If anyone did believe in geocentrism, was it based on anything other than empirical observation (science)?

I'm sure geocentrism was being taught LONG before Joshua 9; which is the passage Internet scientists love to use as Biblical evidence of geocentrism.

Ok, so Joshua was written within the cultural and scientific constraints of it's time, is that what you are saying?
 
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Suppose someone calls me a 'hypocrite' for not hunting witches?

After all, the Bible says ...

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Why don't they also call me a 'hypocrite' for not doing the other 612 commandments in the Old Testament?

What makes you think they don't? I have seen this argument used by atheists before, and it wasn't limited to the witch killing, or even necessarily any of the heinous crimes, but rather all 613--perhaps minus the sacrificial laws which were replaced.
 
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Suppose someone calls me a 'hypocrite' for not hunting witches?

After all, the Bible says ...

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Why don't they also call me a 'hypocrite' for not doing the other 612 commandments in the Old Testament?

What makes you think they don't? I have seen this argument used by atheists before, and it wasn't limited to the witch killing, or even necessarily any of the heinous crimes, but rather all 613--perhaps minus the sacrificial laws which were replaced.

I would know, wouldn't I?

Only if they said it to your face.
 
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Yeah its called earth. There's more to earth than just water and its sun that helps support life. let alone complex and intelligent life.
Nonetheless, there are trillions upon trillions of planets. Unless you have a definitive count of the number of planets in the universe (protip: no one does), it is irrational to say that the Earth is fine-tuned for life. Even if the conditions necessary for life to develop naturally are incredibly fine and sensitive, the sheer number of planets in the universe could well vastly exceed the improbability of life forming - that is, there could be thousands, millions of life-bearing planets out there by the sheer statistics of it.

So, unless you have brand spanking new research that gives an absolute maximum number of planets in the universe, the fine-tuning argument doesn't work ("the goldilocks enigma of our planet").

I'll get back to you on this conhttp://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=62443277cern.
OK.

I'm talking about the problem of mutations and genetic degradation. Most mutations are so small ns will likely not act upon them, many mutations are preserved and not repaired by the cells, after awhil fertility and vital processes are effected this endangers the whole species. The upper limit calculated for the longevity of the human species is 1.5 million years and a lower limit of only a couple thousand years.
Mutations are evolutions end
The article is a mess of mischaracterisations ("Life’s error correction, avoidance and repair mechanisms themselves suffer the same damage and decay"), disingenuous claims ("The consequence is that all multicellular life on earth is undergoing inexorable genome decay"; "Mutation rates are so high that they are clearly evident within a single human lifetime, and all individuals suffer, so natural selection is powerless to weed them out"), and outright erroneous lies about how mutation actually occurs ("However, recent discoveries show that mutation is the purely physical result of the universal mechanical damage that interferes with all molecular machinery"). It even argues against itself ("The effects are mostly so small that natural selection cannot ‘see’ them anyway, even if it could remove their carriers" - if this is the case, then mutations aren't going to kill us all, contradicting the entire article).

It argues that species are doomed to die out after a fixed number of generations, placing an upper limit on the age of all species - completely ignoring the fact that species reproduce at wildly different rates, and one species can have thousands of generations in the time it takes for another species to have one.

The article's author just doesn't seem to understand the basics of population dynamics or population genetic dynamics, or understand what mutations actually are, or what natural selection is (let alone how it functions to 'weed' the genome).

I keep an open mind when people cite Creationist literature and criticise it on its own merits, but seeing article after article after article of this same, sloppy calibre is just tiring. It says something when I can predict whole sentences based on the URL alone.

How many of these proclaim disorder and randomness?
Irrelevant. You claimed they proclaim God, yet none do.

Looking at the history of different species today we see that they go practically unchanged for millions some time tens or hundreds of millions of years with all kinds of selection pressures such as changes in CO2 levels, massive climate changes, the rise and fall of different prey and predators, extinction of critical vegetation, tectonic activies seperating species and many other things.
I disagree. So-called living fossils are those species who haven't experienced much in the way of selection pressures. The deep ocean has remained largely static for tens of millions of years; cataclysmic events are devastating to the atmosphere, but not so much to the oceans. Nevertheless, even these species, which show remarkable similarity to their deep ancestors, still show morphological changes (source).

Mutations happen all the time and they happen at random. Mutations do occur in hot spots in the genome, but this fact would be an advocate for evolution. Yet! So many changes are minute.
Indeed, and we see the evolution of novel, advantageous features and functions in lab- and wild- species, the quintessential example being that of the nylon-eating bacteria.

Exploring the sequence space for tetracycline-dependent transcriptional activators: Novel mutations yield expanded range and sensitivity
PLOS Biology: Genome-Wide RNAi of C. elegans Using the Hypersensitive rrf-3 Strain Reveals Novel Gene Functions
Ig V Gene Mutation Status and CD38 Expression As Novel Prognostic Indicators in Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia
A Novel Function for the Second C2 Domain of Synaptotagmin
Analysis of a Yeast SNARE Complex Reveals Remarkable Similarity to the Neuronal SNARE Complex and a Novel Function for the C Terminus of the SNAP-25 Homolog, Sec9
Directed evolution of novel polymerase activities: Mutation of a DNA polymerase into an efficient RNA polymerase
Novel Gain-of-function Mutations of Platelet Glycoprotein Ibα by Valine Mutagenesis in the Cys209–Cys248 Disulfide Loop
A novel role for p120 catenin in E-cadherin function

without it evolution doesn't get off the blocks. Seems like this should be the starting point, but the evolutionists argument though starts backwards and is conjecture all the way back to the beginning.
This is simply incorrect. Evolution posits the existence of a universal common ancestor 3.5 billion years ago as part of its explanation of the biodiversity of life. It doesn't care where the common ancestor came from - abiogenesis, aliens, God. The veracity of abiogenesis is utterly unrelated to the veracity of evolution - true or false, evolution stands on its own merits. It is a common misconception among Creationists, but a misconception nonetheless.
 
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Maybe they're threatened because they want to pick their own food and herd cattle for a few more centuries

That's not to say that that activity is governed by the physical bodies used.

"Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek: ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:31-34
 
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