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Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

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Just what are you trying to say here. I am missing your point.

What is the old laws and new laws?

Old Laws are all laws or Commands under the Old Testament (Old Covenant).
New Laws are all laws or Commands under the New Testament (or New Covenant).
While Jesus was making changes In the Law already before the cross, the New Testament or New Covenant did not officially begin until Christ's death. This is why we see the Temple veil torn from top to bottom. The Law of Moses included laws on the sacrifices. These laws (along with the rest of the Old Law) were no longer in effect until after Christ's death. Granted, certain Laws had been repeated like the moral laws (Like do not murder, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc.), but even these moral laws were no longer attached with death penalties. So they are not exactly the same.


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One tiny mustard seed of faith is enough to do more than anyone you personally know,
perhaps more than anyone (alive today) we've ever heard of....

So you have moved a mountain, or is your faith less than that of a mustard seed?
 
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We get a clue again as to why people do not have a true understanding on God's Word today.

"Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." (Matthew 13:10).

"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." (Matthew 13:15).

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." (2 Chronicles 7:14).


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1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
(Romans 12:1-2).


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Again, we see God's Word tell us that it is men's lusts or sins that prevent them from having understanding of God's Word.

"Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do." (John 8:43-44).


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I hope this thread stays on topic today. People are drifting off.
Are they? How so?

Romans 3:25 through Romans 3:26 clears up all understanding that it wasn't Martin who said we are justified by faith

But GOD
 
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Are they? How so?

Romans 3:25 through Romans 3:26 clears up all understanding that it wasn't Martin who said we are justified by faith

But GOD

She is talking about the thread topic which is:

"Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?"​

The verses you brought up do not really address this question.

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She is talking about the thread topic which is:

"Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?"
The verses you brought up do not really address this question.

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The OP of this titled thread is what I responded to sir. It isn't my fault that it has gone off topic from that. The author of this thread titled this thread to imply that we don't know what we are talking about that GOD didn't say we are justified by faith...Martin Luther did

And that is what I am responding to
 
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Again, the two verses does not answer the question directly. Also, while it is acceptable to reply to an off topic discussion, ToBeLoved's point was to get back on topic to answering the question directly. Your two verses do not do that.

In addition, you cannot blame others for your jumping on the bandwagon of going off topic. If you jump on the off topic discussion, you are just as guilty in going off topic if you indulge in their off topic discussion. Again, not that it is wrong to go a little off topic every now and then (As long as we come back to the main topic).


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And turn to God every day to life HIS WAY, HIS KINGDOM, TODAY, saved from the control of sin, from the control of satan, from the control of the flesh, society, and everything not of HIM.
yes thats what repentance is .
Not a one off act but a consistent state of living .. i mean it's quite simple . if a person goes back to consistently doing things they know are sin, that is rebellion ..the opposite of repentance

ps- it helps if you quote a person entire post when you reply .so that what your replying to is not taken out of context
 
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i never said anything other wise but as i replied elsewhere ,, sin a person goes back and does again, when they know it is sin.. is NOT being repented of .
it is being comited again and again.. john writes those who are born of god wil not continue to sin .
sure they have the ability to but ones they are aware of it and repent from it they do not continue to do so . john goes on to say ..this is how we know who is of gpod and who is of the devil.. those of god wont continue to sin they stop cease desist turn from repeant and replace the activity with activities of righteousness .

repentance is not a one off act and then your forgiven and then its ok to do it again and again.
would you accept that if your spouse came home said they slept with another in the weekend .. and repented and then you forgave them and then they did it again next week .. and next week and next week .. would you consider that a state of maintained repentance ? neither does God .
 
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yes that what repentance is .
Not a one off act but a consistent state of living .. i mean it's quite simple . if a person goes back to consistently doing things they know are sin, that is rebellion ..the opposite of repentance
Sadly common - one old retired man and his wife went to a local independent church and went up for prayer after ear-blasting music and service ,
and he was 'healed' of a near-broken ankle (he had had a brace on it for months from the doctor caring for him under welfare-state medicine) .
He was clearly able to walk with weight on his foot without the brace for a couple months,
but the rest of his life remained
opposed to right living (not by faith, not trusting, robbing others (several landlords, for example) continually of money or goods/possessions)
and
the resulting state for he and his wife both
was much worse than before.
(and still to this day without turning to YHWH for help or salvation)....(as far as I know, since the last week most recent)....
 
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Romans 3:25 through Romans 3:26 clears up all understanding that it wasn't Martin who said we are justified by faith

But GOD
I agree these are very important since they specifically are rejected by the whole world and by many on this forum -
because of deception [incredibly deceived]....
 
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My two verses?

Since when is Romans 3:25 and Romans 3:26 my verses?

I would much rather listen to the WORD OF GOD than the words of men
 
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very good topic!

Great observations and questions.

There are only 3 options for the method to use --

1. Trust yourself --
2. Trust the Bible -- Use sola scriptura and use good exegesis for objectivity.
3. Trust the church magisterium/traditions of whatever group you are in.

I pick door number #2.

Mark 7:6-13 is a big reason for doing so.
 
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What you need to do is ask Jesus why we are only saved by faith.

Sounds like you think what brings people into the New Covenant promotes sin.

You should take that to Christ and ask Him why His Covenant promotes sin.

Let me know what you find out.
 
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So glad i am a Catholic as we follow God via Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Straight from the Apostles. Almost everyone else went on the wrong path from the early days of the reformation.

Almost everyone else says the Catholic Church went down the wrong road very early in the 2nd and 3rd century solidifying the wrong-road ideas into a formal and dominant one by the 6th century A.D.

Pointing out errors in the Catholic church began with Catholics pointing out those errors.
 
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aw...... too bad.....
There's a lot of little children without a BIBLE,
and gentiles without TORAH,
who ... well, trust and rely on YHWH by grace in Y'SHUA
i.e.
live by FAITH (active, abiding , living, true faith in the CREATOR by grace poured out thru the SAVIOR MESSIAH KING)....

(I think ROMANS illustrates this)
 
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