Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

imge said:

Not really. We are in a global pandemic which started by eating an unclean animal.

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I posted scripture. Are you arguing against scripture?

Hanging by a Thread said:

Thanks for the reply, Hammster
So God changed his mind on this one? And Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands in your reference. Don't know that he actually declared all foods clean.

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I can post the verse again if it will help (you know, the part where Mark wrote that He declared all foods clean).

Hammster said:

I posted scripture. Are you arguing against scripture?

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Here’s the scripture you are arguing with:

Foods Permitted and Forbidden

Leviticus 11 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.

9 ‘These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers—that you may eat. 10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you.

13 ‘And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard, 14 the kite, and the falcon after its kind; 15 every raven after its kind, 16 the ostrich, the short-eared owl, the sea gull, and the hawk after its kind; 17 the little owl, the fisher owl, and the screech owl; 18 the white owl, the jackdaw, and the carrion vulture; 19 the stork, the heron after its kind, the hoopoe, and the bat.

20 ‘All flying insects that creep on all fours shall be an abomination to you. 21 Yet these you may eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth. 22 These you may eat: the locust after its kind, the destroying locust after its kind, the cricket after its kind, and the grasshopper after its kind. 23 But all other flying insects which have four feet shall be an abomination to you.

Seems pretty clear to me.

imge said:

Here’s the scripture you are arguing with:

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I’m not arguing with scripture. I posted what Mark recorded. Are you saying that it’s not valid? Did Mark get it wrong?

Hammster said:

I’m not arguing with scripture. I posted what Mark recorded. Are you saying that it’s not valid? Did Mark get it wrong?

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You are misunderstand standing the verse. This seems to be a common theme (not necessarily referring to you) someone learns one verse that seem contradictory to others but choose to run with it and think one verse wipes our very clear spelled out scripture to fit a lifestyle. Sometimes you need to dig deeper. I’m on my iPad, when I am back to my computer I’ll put some context to what Mark is referring to.

imge said:

You are misunderstand standing the verse. This seems to be a common theme (not necessarily referring to you) someone learns one verse that seem contradictory to others but choose to run with it and thinks one verse wipes our very clear spelled out scripture to fit a lifestyle. Sometimes you need to dig deeper. I’m on my iPad, when I am back to my computer I’ll put some context to what Mark is referring to.

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We are no longer under levitical law, we under under the New Covenant.

If you think your still under levitical law then you better get to following it, and perfectly at that. Just saying.

Most problems with meat are in the commercial supply. Reputable restaurants buy direct from local farmers. The diet and living conditions are very different. I found my supplier through menus. He sells to restaurants and a handful of specialty stores in our area.

I do the same with fish and seafood. Now I’m focusing on grains and legumes. Opting out is possible if you’re willing to do the legwork.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Hazelelponi said:

We are no longer under levitical law, we under under the New Covenant.

If you think your still under levitical law then you better get to following it, and perfectly at that. Just saying.

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Which laws do you follow in the second covenant? Please provide scripture to back up the specific laws.

imge said:

You are misunderstand standing the verse. This seems to be a common theme (not necessarily referring to you) someone learns one verse that seem contradictory to others but choose to run with it and think one verse wipes our very clear spelled out scripture to fit a lifestyle. Sometimes you need to dig deeper. I’m on my iPad, when I am back to my computer I’ll put some context to what Mark is referring to.

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How am I misunderstanding “(Thus He declared all foods clean.)”?

Anyone know the penalty for eating unclean meats back in those days?

Hammster said:

How am I misunderstanding “(Thus He declared all foods clean.)”?

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It’s referring to spiritual uncleanness, not what someone is literally eating. It was a parable Jesus was teaching and if you read the whole scripture not just that verses you can put it in its proper context. I’m on my iPad, will try to provide more references later.

imge said:

It’s referring to spiritual uncleanness, not what someone is literally eating. It was a parable Jesus was teaching and if you read the whole scripture not just that verses you can put it in its proper context. I’m on my iPad, will try to provide more references later.

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I’m on my iPhone. So I don’t see how that makes what Jesus said any different.

Kosher rules are for the Jews. In fact cuts of meat they were forbidden to eat are allowed in scripture to be sold to the gentiles instead.
The purpose of these rules were to segregate jews from the nation's where there can be a recognizable demarcation between themselves and the surrounding peoples.

Hammster said:

I’m on my iPhone. So I don’t see how that makes what Jesus said any different.

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This was a parable and you have to read the whole verses to understand its meaning, not just one verse. When Jesus is teaching in parables it is an illustration.

Hanging by a Thread said:

whoops. Yes, it does say that. Guess I thought you added the parenthesis. It is in parenthesis in the Bible indicating that maybe Mark added it, but no matter I guess. My mistake. The pork thing was one example I used. The gist of what I was getting at is that there seems to be a lot of laws levied at this time that seem contrary to Christian ideals and behavior. If the second covenant overrides these, what do we need the OT for other than historical reference?

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Not everything is overridden. But things that are declared no longer in effect are, well, no longer in effect.

imge said:

This was a parable and you have to read the whole verses to understand its meaning, not one verse.
When Jesus is teaching in parables it is an illustration.

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I’ve read the whole book.

Hammster said:

I’ve read the whole book.

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Do you understand what a parable means?

par·a·ble
/ˈperəb(ə)l/

noun

1. a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

Perhaps Jesus had a deeper meaning?

Hanging by a Thread said:

It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork. In fact, Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly state a lot of things that we don’t adhere to.

13:6 through18: We’re instructed to kill without mercy -even your own family members- anyone who tries to convince you to worship other gods.

17:2 through 13: Kill anyone who does evil-such as worshipping the stars- and violates the covenant. And if you’re not sure if the party is guilty, take it to court and if the Judge finds the party guilty and you refuse take part in stoning the defendant to death, then you should be killed too.

21:18: Kill your own son if he is rebellious.

Thou shalt not kill, but Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Exodus is full of examples like this where we are to kill people for sinning. What about “as we forgive those who trespass against us”? I seem to have made executing people the theme here, but there are instructions/laws on other topics as well that we don’t follow, I’m assuming because they just don’t seem consistent with our faith.

So why is it OK to have a pork Bratwurst at the church fundraising event these days when God clearly forbids it?

You could argue that things were different back then and don’t apply today. But that would nullify the Ten Commandments. These laws I’m referring to were issued on the same day. They just didn’t make the top ten list.

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We are under a new covenant, with Christ as the new high priest: this new covenant is the covenant of grace and forgiveness, the old covenant was the covenant of payment and death. --Christ is now the new administrator of God's laws, no longer Levi, and the old system of payment for sin, is fulfilled in Christ.

Killing is not equal to murder--you've miss read the commandment--we are commanded not to murder, otherwise we couldn't even eat fish, much less, beef, nor could we defend ourselves, nor our families, from murderers, etc.

To understand the following answer to your question, you must first realize, that most churches couldn't care less about what God has to say about anything, especially things they find pleasing: that's how we've got thousands of so-called denominations of faith, all claiming to be obedient to the same bible, yet all contradicting it in their own special way: these various brands of faith, are simply the spirit of antichrist, masquerading as true religion.

Answer: You are eating a pork chop because you've adhered to what someone else says about eating swine, instead of adhering to what God says about eating anything.

--We are simply to eat what God has told us to eat; it's really just that simple; for the earth is the Lord's and everything in it: the very air we breath is His personal property--it is His prerogative to tell us what He wants us to do with His creation, period.

PS: Don't be surprised at this, God proved that He could dwell among the people, and they would still do whatever the hell they damn well pleased--it is the current human condition; thus repentance is required, and a new birth must take place, namely, being born again of the Spirit of the Lord: only then will a person have a true desire to obey the Lord, to do the will of God; but sadly, this all starts with the actual fear of God, a thing becoming so rare today, that I'm always astonished anytime I find it.

The evil must increase, like in the days of Noah, to the point when no one is left who gives a damn about what God has said; only then, like before, will He show up, to kill them all, this time, not by drowning in water, but fire.

Nothing new under the sun.

Come soon, Lord.

Amen.

Hammster said:

And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
— Mark 7:18-19

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Misinterpretation of scripture. The context was about eating food without washing of the hands. Also, the part in parenthesis was added later.