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Anyone thought of putting the bit in the bible where it says that the Lord will come at a time when his servants least expect it? If the homeowner knew his house was going to be robbed at a certain time, would he not have watched over his house at that time? Jesus' seconding coming is going to arrive at a time when we all least expect it. If someone said it was tomorrow, how many people do you reckon would miraculousy ditch their sinful ways? Like another CF poster said, I'm more thankful to what God has done for me and, IMO, that's the most important thing.
 
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Actually it says that no man will know the DAY or the HOUR. Not the year. But to anyone who is interested, I am reading a book right now which is essentially a exposition on the timeline of History according to the Bible. It is quite amazing and has given me a new scripturally sound understanding of the present day in history.

Did you know that the first judgment on the world was 6023 years after creation? And that the year 2011AD is 13023 years after creation? Very interesting .. very interesting to anyone interested. You know what is also quite interesting is that dating by OUR calender the year of creation is 11,013 B.C. Which is 11 seperated by 0 , then 13. Applying this to Gods timeline of salvation is pure speculation, however, If the last year of the earth and universe is in fact the 2011, then that would make the world 13023 years old.

11,000 years from creation to Christ, 13,000 + 23 years from Creation to the end of the world (Creation = 11013). It is specualtion, but the fact is that in the year 2011 the earth will be 13,023 years old, exactly 7,000 years after the flood.

For those who find it important to know whether or not we are in the last days I recommend reading some literature.
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/frame/
Free: "The End Of The Church Age.. And After"
Free: "Wheat And Tares"

And a Book written by the same Bible teacher:
$13(publishing cost) "Time Has An End" - 500 Pages (I am studying this Book now, I HIGHLY recommend it to anyways who wishes to know if the Bible is accurate in keeping time dates.) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0533151694/104-3640843-2951945?v=glance

Anyone willing to believe Gods Word should check them out. Before you place judgment upon the author or what God has revealed to Him THROUGH the scriptures I recommend that you read them diligently, and test them against Gods Word yourselves. I have, and I have found the teachings faithful to the Bible. Because essentially they are just great big Bible expositions.

Please keep in mind that there is A LOT of negitive gravity towards the author of these publications, so what I say is, before you start the name calling, and finger pointing that he is "false prophet" I strongly urge you to read through ALL of it, and if you disagree because you DO NOT see the agreement in the scriptures then PM me, because I would be interested in reading what you think the scriptures teach otherwise. I have read through the first 2 publications(currently reading the Book), and so far I found only evidence that they are scripturally accurate throughout the scriptures.

Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Genesis 6:3 - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 6:12-13 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

So Noah KNEW when the flood would come and destroy the world.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

I strongly urge you to become aware of the facts of the Bible.

Good night and day to all.
 
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If God told you what month or season he was going to come, don't you reckon - again - that people would miraculously turn from their sinful ways? Who cares about a date? All I care about is living for him and serving him with faith - like he told us too. He didn't say "work out what year i'm coming back so you can get ready".

Mega . Your bible passage about the theif and the watchman just backed up my point...
 
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FearAndTrembeling said:
Actually it says that no man will know the DAY or the HOUR. Not the year.
So all and sundry set about trying to figure out what year it is, using the time-honored devices of misinterpretation, eisegesis, wishful thinking, knight-jump exegesis, and wholesale speculation. That's why they have to keep shoving the date for our Lord's return forward; to avoid having to admit that when it comes to figuring out that magic year, none of the date-setters can hit the floor with his hat.

Please keep in mind that there is A LOT of negitive gravity towards the author of these publications
Probably because date-setters have been proven wrong again and again and again, and there's little reason to believe that today's date setter is one whit more accurate than yesterday's.
 
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Interesting point BUT I was told (which makes perfect sense by a wise person oregal) that we are JUST to have faith in God. Yes there will be and end and I wish that it would be sooner than later that is why I got so wrapped up in this but the bottem line is that we have to rely on God not a time table!
God bless you friend!!!!
 
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No, I don't reckon people would turn from their evil imaginations. For instance God tells us "AS THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE". He also tells us that Noah was a preacher of righteousness. Noah had about 120 years to build this giant ship on land. You can only imagine the people scoffed as they saw this nitwit Noah prepairing for a flood. What do you think Noah said to these people? What was the rightouesness that Noah "preached"? "God is going to destroy the world!" Why, but that sounds hateful, but, that was what God had planned to do - therefore it was righteous. So who was prepaired and spared at that time of judgment upon the world? Those who God warned.
He didn't say "work out what year i'm coming back so you can get ready".
Psalms 119:4 - Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

What season is in view? The season of the latter rain, the second half of the great tribulation, which we are now in.

Revelation 11:3-18 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them,he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Who are these two witnesses? These two candlesticks, two olive trees who stand before God that have power to shut heaven that it not RAIN in the days of their prophecy? They are ALL true believers who bring the Word of God(the testimony of Jesus Christ) to the world. If any man shall hurt them "fire proceedeth out of their mouth" and they must DIE in this manner. In other Words if any man tries to raise up against the Word of God, He must DIE by the Word of God. The beast who ascends out of the bottomless pit to make war against the true believers of Gods Word is Satan as He is given control of the local congragations where the "two" witnesses(true believers) were supposed to be, and has killed them (silenced them - and cast them out of the churches). For further exposition read :The End Of The Church Age.. And After" Daniel 12:4 - But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:9 - And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

A date must harmonize with the REST of the dates in history according to the Bible if it is to hold ANY merit. It must be able to be etablished with the ENTIRE Bible. It is the POSSIBILITY, not the CERTAINTY.



I agree completely. We know nothing without Gods Word. And "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God". Im still the phase of "confirming" if this is ALL so, because if it is ALL so, then my outlooked has changed.
 
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According to the various prophecies concerning the time of the end (great tribulation) is has already begun. It is before the return of Christ. It is the peroid of time when those who are in the congragations fall away from the truth of Gods Word, and believe a lie because they received not the love of the truth (Gods Word).

2 Thessalonians 2: 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

It is also the time when a great multitude which no man can number are becoming saved.

Revelation 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 
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I think the Mayan Calander of the world ending in December 2012 is the main reason for that date.

I find it interesting that the number 70 is a significant number in Jewish History. The Jews spent 70 years in Babylon. Seventy years ater the death of Christ, the Jews are scattered throughout the world. And in 2018 Isreal will celebrate 70 years of its rebirth. Will the Messiah arrive and begin his 1,000 year reign at that time?

2018 to me seems like a better date than 2012 if we wanted to speculate the 'end of the age'.

We have to be getting close to 'the end of days'. China and India are growing their economies at breakneck speed. They are requiring more and more petroleum. With limited oil products available, it would seem quite reasonable that they would march a 200 milllion man army into the middle east for that commodity.

Combined, these two 'Kings of the East' would have a population of 3 billion plus. So a 10 percent draft would handily give them the man power to make this fantastic number of soldiers possible. Never in the history of the world would it have been possible until now to assemble an army of such magnatude.

So many things are coming together that we have to be getting close. We see nuclear proliferation, SARs and Avian Flu threats, (possibly smallpox too). A world wide web and VeriChip technology....
 
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Israel back as a state is THE sign. Now we have to figure out how long from that it will all start.
1988 didn't go, so maybe it wasn't from the founding of the state.
Maybe it was from the 6 day war in June 1967. 40 years from that is 2007.
Or maybe the war of Yom Kippur in Oct. 1973. 40 years from that is 2013. Counting 7 years of tribulation, that would make it start 2006.
Interesting.
The time is near anyway you count it.
 
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Lot of maybe's and still no temple or Priesthood in Israel. I will bring that up to the Jews and see what they think of it.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Ezkeiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.

zech 14:21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite/merchant in the House of the LORD of hosts.
 
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For those wondering, Jerusalem is the key, it is G-ds holy city , always has been, always will be. Next year closly following passover we will be at a generational mark, of 40 years. It was 40 years from when Yeshua said not a stone will be left unturned, until this prophecy came true. That generation was 40 years.


Yeshua can only return to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem if it is inhabited by his people, The Jews. So supporting the Palestinians of 'having a right there' will deter this.



Shalom

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Shalom

It was only 40 years after Yeshua's resurection, that Jerusalem was destroyed and the despersion done.

Will the Messiah arrive and begin his 1,000 year reign at that time?
Messiah Yeshua will come when and only when his 'terms' are met, the gentiles can do nothing, it is only when this is fulfilled:
He was speaking to his people in the city of Jerusalem:

That must come from the religious government of Israel, from Jerusalem, from the Sanhedrinm who shall speak for the people. Pray for that day to come soon.
 
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For those wondering, Jerusalem is the key, it is G-ds holy city , always has been, always will be.
So both the Jerusalem above and below are Holy? Hard for me to see that.
Is this a future Sanctuary being measured in Revel 11 or is it "symbolic"?

Mark 15:38 and the veil of the sanctuary [#3485] was rent in two, from top to bottom,

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it 2 And the Court [#833], the one within/without[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because it/she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.
 
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God also speaks against those who "part His land."
Israel is supposed to be much larger, but thanks to Britain and concessions, it is too small, parted.

None of the end times prophecies could happen until Israel was dwelling in the land.
 
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HowardDean said:
God also speaks against those who "part His land."
Israel is supposed to be much larger, but thanks to Britain and concessions, it is too small, parted.

None of the end times prophecies could happen until Israel was dwelling in the land.

Exactly! And if you want to be exact, Jerusalem is still being "trodden down of the Gentiles." Israel does not possess all of Jerusalem yet.
 
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