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FearAndTrembeling said:Actually it says that no man will know the DAY or the HOUR. Not the year. But to anyone who is interested, I am reading a book right now which is essentially a exposition.............................................etc...............................................................
I strongly urge you to become aware of the facts of the Bible.
Good night and day to all.
So all and sundry set about trying to figure out what year it is, using the time-honored devices of misinterpretation, eisegesis, wishful thinking, knight-jump exegesis, and wholesale speculation. That's why they have to keep shoving the date for our Lord's return forward; to avoid having to admit that when it comes to figuring out that magic year, none of the date-setters can hit the floor with his hat.FearAndTrembeling said:Actually it says that no man will know the DAY or the HOUR. Not the year.
Probably because date-setters have been proven wrong again and again and again, and there's little reason to believe that today's date setter is one whit more accurate than yesterday's.Please keep in mind that there is A LOT of negitive gravity towards the author of these publications
FearAndTrembeling said:Actually it says that no man will know the DAY or the HOUR. Not the year. But to anyone who is interested, I am reading a book right now which is essentially a exposition on the timeline of History according to the Bible. It is quite amazing and has given me a new scripturally sound understanding of the present day in history.
Did you know that the first judgment on the world was 6023 years after creation? And that the year 2011AD is 13023 years after creation? Very interesting .. very interesting to anyone interested. You know what is also quite interesting is that dating by OUR calender the year of creation is 11,013 B.C. Which is 11 seperated by 0 , then 13. Applying this to Gods timeline of salvation is pure speculation, however, If the last year of the earth and universe is in fact the 2011, then that would make the world 13023 years old.
11,000 years from creation to Christ, 13,000 + 23 years from Creation to the end of the world (Creation = 11013). It is specualtion, but the fact is that in the year 2011 the earth will be 13,023 years old, exactly 7,000 years after the flood.
For those who find it important to know whether or not we are in the last days I recommend reading some literature.
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/frame/
Free: "The End Of The Church Age.. And After"
Free: "Wheat And Tares"
And a Book written by the same Bible teacher:
$13(publishing cost) "Time Has An End" - 500 Pages (I am studying this Book now, I HIGHLY recommend it to anyways who wishes to know if the Bible is accurate in keeping time dates.) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0533151694/104-3640843-2951945?v=glance
Anyone willing to believe Gods Word should check them out. Before you place judgment upon the author or what God has revealed to Him THROUGH the scriptures I recommend that you read them diligently, and test them against Gods Word yourselves. I have, and I have found the teachings faithful to the Bible. Because essentially they are just great big Bible expositions.
Please keep in mind that there is A LOT of negitive gravity towards the author of these publications, so what I say is, before you start the name calling, and finger pointing that he is "false prophet" I strongly urge you to read through ALL of it, and if you disagree because you DO NOT see the agreement in the scriptures then PM me, because I would be interested in reading what you think the scriptures teach otherwise. I have read through the first 2 publications(currently reading the Book), and so far I found only evidence that they are scripturally accurate throughout the scriptures.
Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Genesis 6:3 - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:12-13 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
So Noah KNEW when the flood would come and destroy the world.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
I strongly urge you to become aware of the facts of the Bible.
Good night and day to all.
No, I don't reckon people would turn from their evil imaginations. For instance God tells us "AS THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE". He also tells us that Noah was a preacher of righteousness. Noah had about 120 years to build this giant ship on land. You can only imagine the people scoffed as they saw this nitwit Noah prepairing for a flood. What do you think Noah said to these people? What was the rightouesness that Noah "preached"? "God is going to destroy the world!" Why, but that sounds hateful, but, that was what God had planned to do - therefore it was righteous. So who was prepaired and spared at that time of judgment upon the world? Those who God warned.If God told you what month or season he was going to come, don't you reckon - again - that people would miraculously turn from their sinful ways? Who cares about a date? All I care about is living for him and serving him with faith - like he told us too. He didn't say "work out what year i'm coming back so you can get ready".
Your bible passage about the theif and the watchman just backed up my point...
Psalms 119:4 - Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.He didn't say "work out what year i'm coming back so you can get ready".
Daniel 12:4 - But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.So all and sundry set about trying to figure out what year it is, using the time-honored devices of misinterpretation, eisegesis, wishful thinking, knight-jump exegesis, and wholesale speculation. That's why they have to keep shoving the date for our Lord's return forward; to avoid having to admit that when it comes to figuring out that magic year, none of the date-setters can hit the floor with his hat.
Probably because date-setters have been proven wrong again and again and again, and there's little reason to believe that today's date setter is one whit more accurate than yesterday's.
I agree completely. We know nothing without Gods Word. And "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God". Im still the phase of "confirming" if this is ALL so, because if it is ALL so, then my outlooked has changed.Interesting point BUT I was told (which makes perfect sense by a wise person oregal) that we are JUST to have faith in God. Yes there will be and end and I wish that it would be sooner than later that is why I got so wrapped up in this but the bottem line is that we have to rely on God not a time table!
God bless you friend!!!!
Well, it's not a 7 year period, and it has nothing to do with a peace treaty. I recommend you read "70 Weeks of Daniel Nine" http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/frame/I thought the 7 year period began upon the signing of a peace treaty between jews and arabs?
Lot of maybe's and still no temple or Priesthood in Israel.HowardDean said:Israel back as a state is THE sign.Now we have to figure out how long from that it will all start.
1988 didn't go, so maybe it wasn't from the founding of the state.
Maybe it was from the 6 day war in June 1967. 40 years from that is 2007.
Or maybe the war of Yom Kippur in Oct. 1973. 40 years from that is 2013. Counting 7 years of tribulation, that would make it start 2006.
Interesting.
The time is near anyway you count it.
crc said:I think the Mayan Calander of the world ending in December 2012 is the main reason for that date.
I find it interesting that the number 70 is a significant number in Jewish History. The Jews spent 70 years in Babylon. Seventy years ater the death of Christ, the Jews are scattered throughout the world. And in 2018 Isreal will celebrate 70 years of its rebirth. Will the Messiah arrive and begin his 1,000 year reign at that time?
2018 to me seems like a better date than 2012 if we wanted to speculate the 'end of the age'.
We have to be getting close to 'the end of days'. China and India are growing their economies at breakneck speed. They are requiring more and more petroleum. With limited oil products available, it would seem quite reasonable that they would march a 200 milllion man army into the middle east for that commodity.
Combined, these two 'Kings of the East' would have a population of 3 billion plus. So a 10 percent draft would handily give them the man power to make this fantastic number of soldiers possible. Never in the history of the world would it have been possible until now to assemble an army of such magnatude.
So many things are coming together that we have to be getting close. We see nuclear proliferation, SARs and Avian Flu threats, (possibly smallpox too). A world wide web and VeriChip technology....
Messiah Yeshua will come when and only when his 'terms' are met, the gentiles can do nothing, it is only when this is fulfilled:Will the Messiah arrive and begin his 1,000 year reign at that time?
That must come from the religious government of Israel, from Jerusalem, from the Sanhedrinm who shall speak for the people. Pray for that day to come soon.O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
So both the Jerusalem above and below are Holy? Hard for me to see that.For those wondering, Jerusalem is the key, it is G-ds holy city , always has been, always will be.
HowardDean said:God also speaks against those who "part His land."
Israel is supposed to be much larger, but thanks to Britain and concessions, it is too small, parted.
None of the end times prophecies could happen until Israel was dwelling in the land.
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