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Who's on First?

Which exists first?

  • Life

  • Non-life


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pgp_protector

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Being a Christian i obviously voted life, as I believe God to BE life (in a sense), and that He always existed, always was, is and will be living.

Last I checked though God doesn't reproduce.
 
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Last I checked though God doesn't reproduce.
That's what happens when you first rule God out of the picture, then reduce empirical observation down to software, program a computer with it, then reject anything that the computer rejects.

You end up rejecting the wrong thing --- just because it gives your computer a 404.
 
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That's what happens when you first rule God out of the picture, then reduce empirical observation down to software, program a computer with it, then reject anything that the computer rejects.

You end up rejecting the wrong thing --- just because it gives your computer a 404.

So you're saying God does reproduce?
 
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What's cute? pgp_protector said that God doesn't reproduce. You responded with a post essentially claiming that one arrives at this conclusion only when starting with false assumptions, indicating that God indeed reproduces. Now you're evading the question. There is no middle ground here. Either God reproduces or not.
 
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Hey, I'm not the one dodging the question. Was the "computer" meant to show that God reproduced, if programmed correctly?

Because I'm having a hard time here seeing if you were able to address the point, or unable and hiding it with a daft analogy.

By the way, did you clarify which definition of "life" you're using? Because you ain't getting my vote without that.
 
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Hey, I'm not the one dodging the question. Was the "computer" mean to show that God reproduced, if programmed correctly?
Plug Jesus walking on water into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Plug Jesus' resurrection into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Plug creatio ex nihilo into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Like I say --- you guys program these computers according to uniformitarian expectations, then cry because it 404s when a miracle is inputted.
 
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Plug Jesus walking on water into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Plug Jesus' resurrection into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Plug creatio ex nihilo into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Like I say --- you guys program these computers according to uniformitarian expectations, then cry because it 404s when a miracle is inputted.

Yeah, that's nice, empiricism and miracles don't mix, we get it.

Does God reproduce, then? I really don't want to have to point out the flaws in this tactic again.
 
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Plug Jesus walking on water into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Plug Jesus' resurrection into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Plug creatio ex nihilo into your computers and see if you don't get a 404.

Like I say --- you guys program these computers according to uniformitarian expectations, then cry because it 404s when a miracle is inputted.
Miracles aren't necesarily contrary to natural laws... just not obviously mechanistic in their initial observation. See also Clarke's law.

I see no reason why God, with access to infinite energy and processing power, should necessarily break his own laws to perform the miraculous.
 
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