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Who would you prefer to warn you of impending danger.

Who would you want to warn you of a tornado: a gay or a straight meteorologist?

  • A gay meteorologist.

  • A straight meteorologist: gays have reprobate minds and are not capable of issuing warnings.

  • I don't care: JUST ISSUE THE WARNING!!!


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oh dear. Well at least they have been warned.
 
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...no one did anything until straight people started dying?
tulc(after all it was Gods judgement until then, after that it was a health crisis)

It would have never been a health crisis if people lived by the Bible (gays and straights). If sex was one man with one woman for life, there would be NO STDs, not just AIDS. But our new sexual freedom has natural consequences. Who knew that God knew what He was talking about when He told us not to engage in sex outside of marriage (pre-marital or extra-marital) or homosexual sex?

dmagoh(ever wonder why tulc always has a cute little after thought in all his posts?)
 
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1) You didn't see BAFIELD'S response to the poll, did you?
2) I'm still afraid of your fundamentalist fireman.


It seems to me that not only do you have a chip on your shoulder about "eveybody's hates me because I'm gay",


I never implied that everybody hates me because I'm gay. I get along with Brieuse, davedjy, tulc, thefarmersdaughter and most of the people on this board just fine.

If I've implied anything, it's that you, MercyBurst, newguy101, and Der Alter hate me because I'm gay. Of course, I'm just going on the basis of many of the comments I've seen posted here by these same four people, several of whom have made absolutely no bones of describing how they feel about me (and others like me, including straight liberal Christians).


but you also have a biased and prejudiced opinion of others (fundamentalist, southerns, etc.)


You know I live in Texas, and that Texas is in the South, right?


Maybe you should get that LOG out of your eye first.


Why, you're so right, DMagoh.

Certainly you, BAFIELD, MercyBurst, Der Alter, and NewGuy101 have no apparent preconceived notions about gays, liberals, or liberal Christians; and we all know how open-minded and downright accepting so many of the fundamentalists here at CF are about their non-fundamentalist Christian brothers.

Given that, you should feel welcome to join us at the interfaith, ecumenical worship service co-hosted by the congregations of the American Baptist Convention, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, the Presbyterian Church in the U.S.A., the United Methodist Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Episcopal Church in the U.S.A., the Roman Catholic Church, Congregation Agudas Achim, the Hillel Foundation and the Metropolitan Community Church!

Now, if you'll excuse me,
I haven't finished Matins, yet and I need to chant the Salve Regina (a hymn of praise to the Blessed Virgin Mary).
 
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It's not rampant among anyone that avoids fornication. When sex is ONLY between a married man and his wife, there are no STD risks that amount to anything.
 
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Perhaps tulc has a sense of humor I've seen so completely lacking in so many fundamentalists?

Like, when one becomes a fundamentalist, it seems as though one has to leave their ability to reason and their sense of humor on the hat rack beside the door?

Or maybe tulc has a sense of compassion?
 
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Well, there you have it: since the Sacramento meteorologist was sharing a Macy's restroom stall with another man, that means ALL meteorologists have anonymous sex with other men in restrooms!

Oh, by the way: what do you think of the pretty, dark clouds*?

*which are dropping nickel-size hail as I write...
 
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dmagoh(ever wonder why tulc always has a cute little after thought in all his posts?)

...because sometimes we lose sight that we are more then the sides of the arguments we take. Throwing in an aside after my signature is a habit I got into a long time before coming to CF, it makes me think outside of the "what am I going to say to them next?" box. It can help break up what can be a pretty stressed conversation also.
tulc(and sometimes? I just like to mention coffee!)
 
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It would have never been a health crisis if people lived by the Bible (gays and straights).

I agree. Unfortunatly we don't live in that world, we live in this fallen one.

...except sex doesn't cause AIDS, exchanging fluids does. Which is why hundreds of kids in Romania contracted it from getting immunized in school. Also why IV drug users are at risk. The reason I bring those up is sometimes we assume if we eliminated just one thing (ie some types of sex) then it would be "Problem solved!" when in truth that's just the method it's transfered by. You have to get past the "If people would just live according to the Bible!!" and get to "How do we heal/take care of these people who are sick?" Do you see what I'm saying?
tulc(could use about a gallon of coffee rhight about now!)
 
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Your comments are very thought provoking. What I will say, based on first hand experience, while limited...is you can EASILY expect liberal christians to embrace christians and non-christians alike. I do find it much more comman for liberal christians to speak with fundies like many of us here do. I love to hear their spin on things b/c it's quite amusing most of the time. However, rarely, if ever, will you find fundies embracing and accepting of anyone outside of their belief system. It's just is what it is and there is no denying it. They want to have a lock on Christianity, yet their version of it is the most demented. They make God out to be wicked, and vengful, and all things bad to his children. They list all of these judgements and requirements of what MUST be done in order to have a life with Christ...what one needs to do in order to be "saved", etc... The entire BIBLE, that they read so literally, is missed by them, because while they study to memorize scripture...so they can spew it in hatred at those they don't like...they missed the message of the bible...LOVE/COMPASSION. Jesus LOVES us. BELIEVE in him and the kingdom is yours. There is NO TEST to be a child of God..and God certainly is not out to bring death, destruction, and dispair into your life. Scare tactics are used everywhere in life. Unfortuantely, many fundamentalist churchs run with this foundation as well. Use religious threats, to make their followers anxious, scared, and unworthy to follow God...and it just is wrong. They are experts in spiritual abuse and as such ingrain it in their congregations minds so they continue to use their church as the be all/end all of everything. 1/2 of my family USED to be like that. I know there is a God, b/c all but one are no longer like that. It is the compassionate and loving God that allowed them to see the light, and be released from all the manmade HATREDs that some CLAIM are bible-based. I am a fortunate one because much of my family came out of it. Many on here that are so religious obsessed can even see straight but hope is never lost for them. When an individual has no hope, or hit rock bottom. Their dispair is so deep and they just can not move on..that is exactly when these churches hone in and take control...at a person's most vunerable state. They then become fundamentalists b/c they can now give up any rational thought...and just "leave it up to God"..and go to their bible and make it the support system they so desperately need. So while many seem to think they have a handle on as to why some people are gay (abuse as a child, or one strong parent over another, or whatever)...what is even more clearer is that fundamentalists come from tragic lives where all hope was lost until they "found God"..whether a jail sentence showed them the way, or drug abuse, or booze, or whatever rock bottom event happened. 'nuff said.
 
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Well, the Centers for Disease Control call AIDS a Sexually Transmitted Disease. Did they get it wrong?

I suppose a mosquito could transmit AIDS if it tried hard enough, and if a frog had wings it could fly like a mosquito.

Now if only the internet cannibal was a Phelps, then ALL problems would consume themselves, and we'd be left with no ad hominons .
 
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Your comments are very thought provoking. What I will say, based on first hand experience, while limited...is you can EASILY expect liberal christians to embrace christians and non-christians alike.

Love the sin not the sinner.

I do find it much more comman for liberal christians to speak with fundies like many of us here do.

Real life seems so much different -- it actually requires personal involvement.

I love to hear their spin on things b/c it's quite amusing most of the time. However, rarely, if ever, will you find fundies embracing and accepting of anyone outside of their belief system.

It's their doctrine we don't like.


It's just is what it is and there is no denying it. They want to have a lock on Christianity, yet their version of it is the most demented.

Oh that's mild, you should hear the atheists talk about us!!!!

They make God out to be wicked, and vengful, and all things bad to his children.

Could it be that we just love Him punishing us?

They list all of these judgements and requirements of what MUST be done in order to have a life with Christ...

Character requires character ... whut can I say????


what one needs to do in order to be "saved", etc... The entire BIBLE, that they read so literally, is missed by them, because while they study to memorize scripture...

It's terrible when somebody is brainwashed by the bible, isn't it?


so they can spew it in hatred at those they don't like...they missed the message of the bible...LOVE/COMPASSION.

Love compassion and ice cream, for heaven's sake don't forget the ice cream!!! Being a Christian is like a life of ease.


Jesus LOVES us. BELIEVE in him and the kingdom is yours.

I sure can't argue with that, but it's going to cost you something, plenty. If it hasn't, then you've been conned.

There is NO TEST to be a child of God..and God certainly is not out to bring death, destruction, and dispair into your life.

Well if it happened to Job......


Scare tactics are used everywhere in life. Unfortuantely, many fundamentalist churchs run with this foundation as well.

Hell is a pretty scary place....yike!!!!

Use religious threats, to make their followers anxious, scared, and unworthy to follow God...and it just is wrong.

I hate it when doctors tell their patients they are sick.

They are experts in spiritual abuse and as such ingrain it in their congregations minds so they continue to use their church as the be all/end all of everything.

Well believe what you want then, just don't tell us it's right.

1/2 of my family USED to be like that. I know there is a God, b/c all but one are no longer like that.

I guess that proves something.

It is the compassionate and loving God that allowed them to see the light, and be released from all the manmade HATREDs that some CLAIM are bible-based.

Did they get an ice cream cone for being good?




Hey, nobody said you got to go there.


They then become fundamentalists b/c they can now give up any rational thought...and just "leave it up to God"..

and lean not to their own understanding....

and go to their bible and make it the support system they so desperately need.

Ahh yes, my true weakness, like a dear pants for water.



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DMagoh

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I never implied that everybody hates me because I'm gay. I get along with Brieuse, davedjy, tulc, thefarmersdaughter and most of the people on this board just fine.

Aren't the members you just listed also gay? So you only get along with other gay people?


If I've implied anything, it's that you, MercyBurst, newguy101, and Der Alter hate me because I'm gay.

Liberal Truth #7 - If you think someone is sinning, it means that you either HATE him, or secretly desire to do what he is doing

For a complete listing of Liberal Truths, refer to:
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=35604950#post35604950
 
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You have to get past the "If people would just live according to the Bible!!" and get to "How do we heal/take care of these people who are sick?" Do you see what I'm saying?
tulc(could use about a gallon of coffee rhight about now!)

You can have both. I am all for healing/taking care of those sick, but they also should hear the message from the Bible. Jesus did tell the adulteress, "Go and sin no more". We should absolutely show compassion for those sick and hurting. But we havent really helped them totally if we dont show them the truth as well.

dmagoh(i was just asking about the after thoughts because i thought they were cute and i liked them. could you pour me a cup of coffee while you're up?)
 
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It really is interesting reading to see how liberal Christians post comments about how accepting they are, and loving they are, and non-judgemental they are...

...and then read all the hateful posts directed at fundamentalists.

If the above quotes are not judgemental, what are they?
 
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Why would you consider this post "hateful"? I didn't say it in hate...I'm just stating perception and in some cases fact. Is that judging? I didn't say anything about judging you as a person...I'm just making an observation. Hey, we all have our own personal prejudices, and I won't deny that fundies get under my skin. Most times I try to stay away because they scare me with their obsessions...just like a fundamentalist islamic scares me with theirs. Granted fundie Christians aren't out to kill people, but their militant obsessions are still there. I don't state it in hate, nor by judgement...I'm no one to judge. I just post from my perspective as that is all that I know.
 
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Uber, why do you constantly make polls/threads like these? Do you just like to stir up controversy with these lil hypothetical situations?

I feel like you make these "if one man was gay and the other man wasn't" threads....just so you can once again bait ppl into choosing a side and say "See, i told you those conservatives are hateful".

It seems like you're always trying to add fuel to a fire that's not even there.....We Dont Hate Gay People (at least i definitely dont) Sorry to burst your bubble, but i love you and every other gay person on here. But just cuz i love you doesn't mean that i can't speak out against homosexuality. I "love" myself but i speak out against my sins all the time, i hate my sins. I love my friends and they love me, but we correct one another all the time.

Maybe my perception is off, but it seems like you want us so bad to say that "we hate gay people", and to me....the threads and comments you make further reflect that.
 
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While I agree with you to a certain degree here (yup im really surprised too), I would say that monogamous relationships in general, hetro or homo, in marriage or not in marriage are unrelated to the spread of AIDS.

Monogamy would prevent the spread of AIDS, not marriage specifically.
 
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