Who would you never want to receive a pint of blood from?

[TheFathersDaughter]

Ryan White died from a bad transfusion that came from a homosexual.

That is the reality. Sorry if no one here wants to accept the fact that behavior has consequences.

There are infected homosexuals out there purposely spreading the disease to unsuspecting partners with syringes so that in the future they can have unprotected sex with them.

no one wants to hear that either- but it is a fact, also.

It's also a fact that Quakers we the main owners of slaves in the 19th century, but you deny that right off the bat.

I don't care if it's a FACT BAFRIEND. It's the fact that you're DISRESPECTING an innocent child. Children are too accept the Kingdom of Heaven. But you don't care do you? He's good for your case. That's all that matter. Stick to your statistics, but leave the victims, especially the children out of it. Their families have suffered enough. Do you want to be the one to tell them that their child is a pawn in an argument like this?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Ryan White died due to the homosexual lifestyle. His family knows it, I know it, everyone knows it.

You want to complain about someone being used as a pawn ?

Try Mathew Sheppard. He got picked up in a gay bar and left with a couple of men because he thought they would have sex with him. They killed and robbed him. The media has turned him into the sacraficial gay messiah.

I don't see the honor in losing your life in a robbery because your illicit lifestyle made you such an easy target.

 

[Der Alte]

Ryan White died due to the homosexual lifestyle. His family knows it, I know it, everyone knows it.

You want to complain about someone being used as a pawn ?

Try Mathew Sheppard. He got picked up in a gay bar and left with a couple of men because he thought they would have sex with him. They killed and robbed him. The media has turned him into the sacraficial gay messiah.

I don't see the honor in losing your life in a robbery because your illicit lifestyle made you such an easy target.

Ouch! I wonder if TFD would like some of this goose sauce?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Take Mathew Sheppard's name in vain and you blaspheme. Getting killed for lusting after same-sex is the greatest sacrafice of all for some.

 

[ClaireZ]

In the hypothetical situation where the blood could not be tested, if I was not unconsious I would refuse the transfusion.

In fact that is what I did after I had my son in 1989. At that point in time, the blood supply was not safe, and in area where the hospital was, it was a bad neighborhood. A lot of homeless people, a lot of drug addicts etc. My blood count was 7 and they said I needed two transfusions. I refused them.

 

[*Starlight*]

Ryan White died from a bad transfusion that came from a homosexual.

That is the reality. Sorry if no one here wants to accept the fact that behavior has consequences.

There are infected homosexuals out there purposely spreading the disease to unsuspecting partners with syringes so that in the future they can have unprotected sex with them.

no one wants to hear that either- but it is a fact, also.

Exactly the same thing can be said about heterosexuals. Or has no one ever died from a bad transfusion from a heterosexual?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Exactly the same thing can be said about heterosexuals. Or has no one ever died from a bad transfusion from a heterosexual?

CDC:

Quote:
In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 72% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005

Do the math. You are 700% more likely to receive AIDS blood from a homosexual than from a straight person. You were not around in the 1980's when that population spread this without any concern for the rest of us. They could not protect themselves and now they blame Ronald Reagan.

 

[*Starlight*]

Do the math. You are 700% more likely to receive AIDS blood from a homosexual than from a straight person. You were not around in the 1980's when that population spread this without any concern for the rest of us. They could not protect themselves and now they blame Ronald Reagan.

Just because AIDS is more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals (if that's true), it doesn't mean that homosexuality is in any way wrong. It's difficult to compare them right now, since a lot of people actively discourage homosexuals from having stable, monogamous relationships (for example, by preaching and voting against homosexual marriages).

 

[IamRedeemed]

Awe... sorry on one hand and amen on the other!

The devil wants us to be ashamed, but we are new creatures in Christ. We don't necessarily have to pour out our whole life stories in one post or even one ministry opportunity somewhere, (which you didn't) but just like Joyce Meyer for instance, most of us (if not all) know her testimony, which even though it isn't her fault, it is her past and it is something any one of us would feel inhibited to share. Yet, she doesn't talk about it all of the time. But all of the time, as people watch what Jesus has done in her life, just to see her, just how she is, is amazing considering what happened to her and what she had been through, so her testimony still ministers on.

There are things we have done (every single Christian) that had we been discipled at the time, would have never done, and would never do again, or would have dealt with differently even if it was something that wasn't our fault, we may have made choices that could have changed it. But none of that is in our control. We cannot change the past, but we can change our destiny and our future. Jesus has truly changed our lives and it is undeniable.

There is a saying that says,
"If you still are what you were, then you aint."

People are fooling themselves everyday, claiming to belong to Jesus and in His name preaching opposite messages that He preached, deceiving others.
People have to realize that it is NOT within our power to rewrite the book. It is what it is , and God is still on the throne.

Churches have a lot of hand in that, as they cause people to believe that all they have to do is utter a sinner's prayer and they are good to go for life!
That's a lie. That is not the end, but the beginning.

They fail to follow up after a person has given their life to Christ, and disciple them. Jesus didn't say "lead as many as you can in a sinner's prayer." and then brag to each other about how many you tallied this year at a Pastor's convention.

He said, "go and make disciples." We are failing to make disciples of men, which is why these folks who are unlearned and not taught to study the Word of God and pray to develop their relationship with the Lord, and get to know His voice, are filled with erroneous ideas, and partial truths, and in some cases complete falsehoods. Because the world is counseling them in darkness instead of the children of the light teaching them the way of the Savior.

It is sad, to think about how many people know that Jesus is the way, but are going to perish, because they didn't actually follow Him. And people can't believe because of God's mercy and grace, that anyone will perish, but God's Word says they will!

But let me make it clear on the Lord's behalf, that the Lord sends no one to hell. He has made it clear that it is His desire that none perish but that ALL would come to repentance and receive mercy. That is why He made a way that we can choose and change our eternal destination!

It is a choice one way or the other though, that we have to make for ourselves. God does not make this choice for us and those that choose to make no choice, actually already have at that time, because if they die in that condition, they will surely experience the second death. But if they still have breath, they can change that plan right now.

Press on toward the mark of the promise. Improve every day, repent every day for any areas you struggle with each day. Ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate areas in your heart that need the cleansing of Christ, sins that are in there that need to be confessed. Attitudes or thoughts that are unrighteous that your heart is impregnated with, that if left unchecked can birth sin. Talk to Jesus every morning, before you start your day. Talk to Him at any time throughout the day, and talk to Him again before you shut your eyes at night. Don't neglect your relationship with Him.

Think about any close relationship you ever had. Could that have been possible if you never spent time with that person and never talked? There is no difference with our relationship with Christ except that He is spirit, and so we do have to exercise our spiritual muscles and get used to listening with our spiritual ears. Reading and Studying the Word will feed our spirit and exercise our spiritual ears.

Everyone should check out Romans chapter 7. If you have never felt like Paul did, then you have never picked up your cross to follow Christ, and are a hearer only. But you can change that starting right now, and make a decision, a choice to follow Christ anywhere, at any cost. He who seeks to lose His life (literally or figuratively as it does mean both to some people...check out voice of the martyrs. People are still martyred for believing in Jesus today) for my name's sake shall gain it. He who seeks his own life will lose it.

Those are the Words of Christ. Surrender your vapor of a life that like the grass withers, and let the Lord redeem you and give you new life and a promise of eternal life, after this temporal body ceases.

May God be with you all, in Jesus name.

...sorry I had no idea this would turn out to be such a long post!

Ack, you must have quoted it right when I was deleting it. LOL
I had been taking so much heat, I started feeling uncomfortable that I put so much of my past out on the table. But you know what I am glad you saved the post from deletion. That's how God wanted it, He wanted me to release and let some of my testimony be shown..

to your post too dear sister! AMEN!!

 

[IamRedeemed]

True. Lonely women and girls that runaway from abusive homes, that hang out in bars hoping to meet someone nice (as IF) are raped, robbed and killed every day, but who seems to care about them? They are wrote off as prostitutes, and of course, prostitutes aren't hurting people, in need of a savior, in need of love and assurance that they are worth more than that, they are just harlots right? WRONG!

Ryan White died due to the homosexual lifestyle. His family knows it, I know it, everyone knows it.

You want to complain about someone being used as a pawn ?

Try Mathew Sheppard. He got picked up in a gay bar and left with a couple of men because he thought they would have sex with him. They killed and robbed him. The media has turned him into the sacraficial gay messiah.

I don't see the honor in losing your life in a robbery because your illicit lifestyle made you such an easy target.

 

[IamRedeemed]

LOL, to the person that chose "virgin", just to be a "wise guy".

PS. The Lord knows who you are, and the thoughts and intents of your heart.

 

[Kirilov]

Well if we're assuming that the blood hasn't been vetted then you stand a risk of disease with any of those options, even the virgin. AIDS can be passed on by contact with infected bodily fluids eg. in drug use (needles), or mother to child, during pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding.

In fact, drug-related needle-sharing is responsible for one-third of all new HIV infections.

 

[Bianca87]

Ryan White died due to the homosexual lifestyle. His family knows it, I know it, everyone knows it.

You want to complain about someone being used as a pawn ?

Try Mathew Sheppard. He got picked up in a gay bar and left with a couple of men because he thought they would have sex with him. They killed and robbed him. The media has turned him into the sacraficial gay messiah.

I don't see the honor in losing your life in a robbery because your illicit lifestyle made you such an easy target.

ryan white died due to a malpractice decision: the one to give someone a transfusionion without testing the blood. this is clear for everyone to see and it's really awful the way people arrive to instrumentalize the death of a child for their hate.
if you go to www.ryanwhite.com you will se no mention of the homophobic message, but only a message of tollerance to promote integration for the victims of HIV and AIDS.

sheppard died because of a criminal act, he could has well have been a woman, his death has nothing to do with his lifestyle.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Anything is possible, including a frog flying if it had wings.
We aren't dealing with possibility but probability as in this scenario, we only have our
general knowledge of risk levels to go by, and some general knowledge about the donors,
in case all of this hasn't been said already and made clear by now.

Well if we're assuming that the blood hasn't been vetted then you stand a risk of disease with any of those options, even the virgin. AIDS can be passed on by contact with infected bodily fluids eg. in drug use (needles), or mother to child, during pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding.

In fact, drug-related needle-sharing is responsible for one-third of all new HIV infections.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

That's strange BAFRIEND, because I've never heard of him. In blood transfusion, the giver is kept private except occasionally for age. They will not give out names to whoever is giving blood or getting blood. I know this since my mother had to recieve blood countless times in her life but she never knew the names of any of her donors. You can not ASSUME that Ryan White contracted it from a homosexual. Obviously, the only thing you can certainly say he contracted it from is a bad blood transfusion.

As for Matthew whatever, I've never heard of him. You're not a part of the homosexual community so I don't see HOW you can say "OH HE'S SUCH A MESSIAH TO GAYS".

I'll say it again: Stop using Ryan White to justify your viewpoint. He's an innocent child who suffered a tragic end. His parents are probably already suffering. For you to disrespect him and his family is despicable.

 

[BAFRIEND]

True. Lonely women and girls that runaway from abusive homes, that hang out in bars hoping to meet someone nice (as IF) are raped, robbed and killed every day, but who seems to care about them? They are wrote off as prostitutes, and of course, prostitutes aren't hurting people, in need of a savior, in need of love and assurance that they are worth more than that, they are just harlots right? WRONG!

You missed the point, sister.

If I went out to a bar and picked up some lady and took her to a hotel room and my body was discovered the next morning with my throat cut from having been trick rolled, is that something I hold no accountablity for ? Should I receive 100% sympathy as the victim of a hate crime ?

The fact of the matter is, under ths circumstances I would expect folks to think that I was to some extent responsible for my own demise. I would be ashamed what this would do to my family and my mother.

Unfortunately, alot of the people who claim they want to be treated equally actually want sympathy and more than equality.

I refuse to discriminate against Mathew Sheppard and will be just as harsh upon him for the responsibilty he shoulders in the events that led up to his death.

Certainly he was a victim and there is no excuse for what his murderers did to him, but if you want to play with strangers, then you invite stranger danger.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

You missed the point, sister.

If I went out to a bar and picked up some lady and took her to a hotel room and my body was discovered the next morning with my throat cut from having been trick rolled, is that something I hold no accountablity for ? Should I receive 100% sympathy as the victim of a hate crime ?

The fact of the matter is, under ths circumstances I would expect folks to think that I was to some extent responsible for my own demise. I would be ashamed what this would do to my family and my mother.

Unfortunately, alot of the people who claim they want to be treated equally actually want sympathy and more than equality.

I refuse to discriminate against Mathew Sheppard and will be just as harsh upon him for the responsibilty he shoulders in the events that led up to his death.

Certainly he was a victim and there is no excuse for what his murderers did to him, but if you want to play with strangers, then you invite stranger danger.

Bafriend...you are in the need of some intervention with the hatred you have. Your postings are offensive to most..BOTH straight and gay. You must have had something terrible happen to you in life that you still have not yet resolved, for I really can't understand why you post some of the crazy things you do. Why you would EVER hold yourself accountable for an UNWANTED violent act against you amazes me. You make it sound as if one should just stay within their own four walls and NEVER meet anyone knew. A violent crime doesnt always happen as a result of a date. Would you say a woman that was raped in the parking lot of a mall was partially responsible b/c she was alone? That's just insanity.

As far as being treated MORE than equally...again, ur a bit much to take seriously. first off, "hate crime legislation" is not "gay legislation"..hate crimes cover many more things than someone's sexuality..REGARDLESS of what you think. As for the concept...that's fine that you don't believe in this sort of legislation. In fact, when I first heard of this..I myself was not really open to it. I thought if we just used the laws that we had now and ENFORCED them...then I'd be ok with that. But then I gave it more thought. And then within my own state we passed such legislation, and I DO think it is right. Why? Because if you can hurt someone or murder someone BECAUSE of who they are...than THAT is a crime much more deeper than a person that kills randomly. Both horrific events,a nd both deserving the fullest extent of the law...however...there is a HUGE difference. If a man is killed b/c he is the cashier of a store being robbed...that man didn't get killed b/c of WHO he is...he was just killed randomly. That certainly doesn't mean he is less than anyone else...If that same cashier was killed because he was Asian and the killer hated him because of his race and killed him as a result...sorry...that murder is even MORE horrific, and should serve even MORE time. My opinion of course.

Finally, I'm not even commenting on your comments regarding Matthew Shepard b/c to do so would be me accepting it as an intelligent conversation. You unfortuantely, need help, and I can not provide that via a forum. If your under counseling...you need to get someone better. If you're not...than it's the first thing you should look into Monday morning.

 

[UberLutheran]

Those bad ol' homosexuals, thinking they should be able to donate blood when they're vectors for HIV!

Still, we should feel relieved that Haitians and Africans can still donate blood because HIV is unknown among heterosexuals in those two places.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Actually you must have some misinformation. Check back through this thread. One of our members from South Africa said their own president was DENIED. Because he was a black male, the highest risk category there. (he did provide a news link)

I don't know about you, but I am not partial to which high risk categories I would feel comfortable with a governing agency banning.

For instance, I wouldn't want people in a high risk category for TB or those in a high risk category for Hepatitis C to be allowed donate either .

Those bad ol' homosexuals, thinking they should be able to donate blood when they're vectors for HIV!

Still, we should feel relieved that Haitians and Africans can still donate blood because HIV is unknown among heterosexuals in those two places.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Bafriend...you are in the need of some intervention with the hatred you have. Your postings are offensive to most..BOTH straight and gay. You must have had something terrible happen to you in life that you still have not yet resolved, for I really can't understand why you post some of the crazy things you do. Why you would EVER hold yourself accountable for an UNWANTED violent act against you amazes me. You make it sound as if one should just stay within their own four walls and NEVER meet anyone knew. A violent crime doesnt always happen as a result of a date. Would you say a woman that was raped in the parking lot of a mall was partially responsible b/c she was alone? That's just insanity.

As far as being treated MORE than equally...again, ur a bit much to take seriously. first off, "hate crime legislation" is not "gay legislation"..hate crimes cover many more things than someone's sexuality..REGARDLESS of what you think. As for the concept...that's fine that you don't believe in this sort of legislation. In fact, when I first heard of this..I myself was not really open to it. I thought if we just used the laws that we had now and ENFORCED them...then I'd be ok with that. But then I gave it more thought. And then within my own state we passed such legislation, and I DO think it is right. Why? Because if you can hurt someone or murder someone BECAUSE of who they are...than THAT is a crime much more deeper than a person that kills randomly. Both horrific events,a nd both deserving the fullest extent of the law...however...there is a HUGE difference. If a man is killed b/c he is the cashier of a store being robbed...that man didn't get killed b/c of WHO he is...he was just killed randomly. That certainly doesn't mean he is less than anyone else...If that same cashier was killed because he was Asian and the killer hated him because of his race and killed him as a result...sorry...that murder is even MORE horrific, and should serve even MORE time. My opinion of course.

Finally, I'm not even commenting on your comments regarding Matthew Shepard b/c to do so would be me accepting it as an intelligent conversation. You unfortuantely, need help, and I can not provide that via a forum. If your under counseling...you need to get someone better. If you're not...than it's the first thing you should look into Monday morning.

precisely. very well posted.