Who would you never want to receive a pint of blood from?

[UberLutheran]

Incase you didn't realize it by now, the decision of the poll would be based on the assumed fact that there were 5 compatible options of blood for you. If you don't want to participate in the poll that is fine, no one is forcing you to.

Well, I hope this doesn't cause anybody to break a nail or have a bad hair day, but if I need b-negative blood, I don't particularly care from WHOM it comes.

I noticed that you didn't list "I don't care" as an option. Would you prefer receiving blood from someone who believes they're in a monogamous heterosexual relationship whose partner is secretly tricking out on them and in fact has had hundreds of sex partners (and doesn't think they need to be tested for HIV because they believe HIV is a "gay disease"); or someone in a monogamous gay relationship where both partners are committed to the relationship?

And by the way -- that's why the Blood and Tissue Center tests every donation, every time.

FYI.

 

[IamRedeemed]

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That's why I added the paragraph about the question being hypothetical. My first paragraph was to show that I was having difficulty with the question, because it's a situation which probably would never happen, and I don't have much of an imagination

I should have said, "Picture it, Sicily, 1998........

Again, we have no way of knowing in the scenario whether or not the blood is "good blood", as there is no way to test it in the scenario. We only know the sources and the lifestyles of the sources and can only rely on our basic knowledge of risk factors to make the wisest choice we can concerning ourselves in the elimination if we had the option to eliminate one.

I don't want this topic to be misconstrued and turned into something it is not. If I were to ever be in such a circumstance, I would be gracious and thankful to all that donated on my behalf. But gracious and thankful do not also have to be imprudent or careless.

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It's not a question of whether I want to- as I said, the option I would choose is not there.

Ok.

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Well, you clearly have strong feelings on this, if you feel that an honest response would be enough to get you banned. I don't understand why my post would have provoked any feelings like that. If all the options are equal, in that all the blood is suitable for me, that's all that matters. And if I was forced to choose, then yes, I'd pick at random, because all else is equal.

It isn't that my response would be "bad" or that my feelings would be "strong", it is just the forum rules are such that you cannot always be honest without getting an infraction or getting banned, because in certain cases there aren't many creative adjectives to use, without being misconstrued, that's all, so I just ask that you would use your imagination given the scenario and think what a logical (keyword) response would be to your statement.


I don't feel that I'm being 'politically correct'- this is what I honestly believe. If I didn't honestly believe it, I wouldn't say it. What sort of answer were you looking for? I'm not going to reject healthy blood which could save my life because it came from a homosexual. I don't see any political correctness there- it's just what I think.

Truly, the only answers I was looking for were honest ones based on the scenario given. Some have chosen to be honest and others have chosen to be dubious. But what did I expect? After all, this is the human race.

 

[Pogue]

Truly, the only answers I was looking for were honest ones based on the scenario given. Some have chosen to be honest and others have chosen to be dubious. But what did I expect? After all, this is the human race.

The answers I've given have been honest. I don't know what more to say, because I've got no idea how to convince you that I'm telling the truth. All I'll say is that I can't see any reason why I'd lie about this. I've given my honest opinion- nothing dubious about it.

 

[Bianca87]

besides the poll being ridiculous itself, it is not done well.
on the 4 "heterosexual" option we have informations about their life: we have information about the sex life of one of them, the information about the personal situation of 2 of them and one of them is your spouse.
we only have the choice "homosexual", we don't know if is a man or a woman (lesbians have the lowest HIV rates), if is married , in a monogamous relationship or if is a prostitute.
he/she could be a random person from the married lesbian to the male prostitute, how am i supposed to decide with no informations?
if i knew he was a promiscuous homosexual, it would have to be my pick, as well as a promiscuous heterosexual would be. if he was a married homosexual, he would have to be at the same level as the married st8 man, etc, etc ,etc
make a better poll.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Based on common knowledge, there is only one blood source on that list that any of us really would choose if the poll were reversed, and it isn't necessarily our spouse (assuming again that these are all compatible in this wonderful scenario).
But the apparent one to be eliminated, if that were an option, and we could only eliminate one,
that ONE would naturally be the one rated the highest risk.

Again, how we feel about any of the people on the list is not part of the equation, or at least it shouldn't be. The equation should be based on common knowledge of the risk factors, as this is not tested blood.

There is no reason to throw our common sense out the window for the sake of appearances or for fear that our vote would be construed as anything other than logical.

I agree, all people who are sexually promiscuous or are engaging in sexual relations with someone who is or was, should definitely have concerns and should be tested. You are absolutely right!
And it can take 10 years or more for HIV/AIDS for instance to rear its ugly head, so just because one tests clean today, does not necessarily mean that such is indeed the case.

And as we know from that recent Big Church Evangelical, His wife could easily be a victim of his extra marital sexual engagements with a man and who knows if that was the only man and the only time he ever did that? And who knows how many men the man he was with had been with and on and on and on, and then add some needle usage along the way and on and on.
In fact as women, we are "receivers". Often, men can carry and give before they contract. I personally believe the recent jump in HIV in female heteros is due to their man being with other men, I do. I do not have any data to support that, but if homosexual males are the highest risk category so much so that they are banned by the FDA for life to give blood, then someone is giving it to the hetero women, and yes it can be that a percentage is from needle usage and other factors, that's why I said on that stats info, what do we know about the breakdown of those stats...who are these heterosexual women? What are the composites?

HIV/AIDS is no longer a "gay disease" that is true, but that is the population upon which is was first discovered here in the US. Edit to Add: And so far homosexuals (males in this case) are the only ones banned from giving blood here in the US

Well, I hope this doesn't cause anybody to break a nail or have a bad hair day, but if I need b-negative blood, I don't particularly care from WHOM it comes.

I noticed that you didn't list "I don't care" as an option. Would you prefer receiving blood from someone who believes they're in a monogamous heterosexual relationship whose partner is secretly tricking out on them and in fact has had hundreds of sex partners (and doesn't think they need to be tested for HIV because they believe HIV is a "gay disease"); or someone in a monogamous gay relationship where both partners are committed to the relationship?

And by the way -- that's why the Blood and Tissue Center tests every donation, every time.

FYI.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I concede that the poll was probably not done well. I never was good at creating polls actually!

Yes, that is true, we do not know if the homosexual is a male or female. Assume it is a male though, since you don't know and it is your life that is at stake in this scenario....work with me here. lol

Unfortunately, we don't get to choose which one we want, but we are only allowed to eliminate one.

besides the poll being ridiculous itself, it is not done well.
on the 4 "heterosexual" option we have informations about their life: we have information about the sex life of one of them, the information about the personal situation of 2 of them and one of them is your spouse.
we only have the choice "homosexual", we don't know if is a man or a woman (lesbians have the lowest HIV rates), if is married , in a monogamous relationship or if is a prostitute.
he/she could be a random person from the married lesbian to the male prostitute, how am i supposed to decide with no informations?
if i knew he was a promiscuous homosexual, it would have to be my pick, as well as a promiscuous heterosexual would be. if he was a married homosexual, he would have to be at the same level as the married st8 man, etc, etc ,etc
make a better poll.

 

[Bianca87]

I concede that the poll was probably not done well. I never was good at creating polls actually!

Yes, that is true, we do not know if the homosexual is a male or female. Assume it is a male though, since you don't know and it is your life that is at stake in this scenario....work with me here. lol

Unfortunately, we don't get to choose which one we want, but we are only allowed but we are only allowed to eliminate one.

in this case, to be honest, i will pick the homosexual, not for your same reasons though, simply for being the one i know nothing about, when i have relatively reassuring informations about the others.
it would have been the same if the option was "a lad", "a girl" or "a heterosexual".

 

[IamRedeemed]

Well, we, humans are born with an instinct to survive. Based on that it doesn't make sense that someone would be whimsical in regards to a situation which could change their lives from life to a death sentence in an instant, when they had the power to make a choice that could have altered the outcome, where there are no other influences, such as a foolish heart that would cause them to make a risky choice that would be so detrimental to their survival (such as love for someone in particular).

So forgive me if I have difficulty in making sense of it. It is obviously my problem. Maybe I have a short circuit. So as they say in Italian... fughettaboutit. lol
(I know that's not Italian..it's a joke!)

The answers I've given have been honest. I don't know what more to say, because I've got no idea how to convince you that I'm telling the truth. All I'll say is that I can't see any reason why I'd lie about this. I've given my honest opinion- nothing dubious about it.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Well thank you for your participation and your honesty. Did you vote officially or just in the post?

in this case, to be honest, i will pick the homosexual, not for your same reasons though, simply for being the one i know nothing about, when i have relatively reassuring informations about the others.
it would have been the same if the option was "a lad", "a girl" or "a heterosexual".

 

[IamRedeemed]

Awe, I love you too!

I too had a much different lifestyle as a young woman. I also had a hard time picking good friends! And I put myself in situations where I could have been killed, because of the friends of friends that I picked and quite violently at that. God is a good God!!

I am sorry to hear about your 1st Husband's health problem......is he saved?

Amen, see that is the thing. No matter what we have done in our past, we can come to the throne of grace and receive mercy. Jesus is ready at all times, day or night to hear that heart cry of surrender and repent, and turn away from our former lifestyles and choose LIFE through Christ, and He takes every past sin and throws them as far away from us as the east is from the west and remember them no more and make us heirs of His kingdom. And then once we are saved, not if, but when we are tempted to sin, and lose the battle and commit it, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ whom we can confess our sin to, and He is faithful to forgive us and cleanse us. Eventually we will overcome in that area, and the next and the next and the next as we move forward with Him and grow, and we keep growing until the time He takes us home.

John says in 1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:8-9
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I agree completely and feel the same way regarding your closing statements. Amen.

I do not hate any of you. I do truly hate sin, I hate what it does to people, I hate the author of sin, I hate lying and the father of lies. I hate sickness and disease, I hate the works of the devil.

Every one of you is precious to God. It is not His will that anyone should perish but that all would come to repentance, and receive mercy.

We can't come on our terms though and we can't make up our own entry rules. We have to come on His terms and play by His rules.

Jesus said, Come to me all you who are weary and I will give you rest. My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

I love you sweet sister.
But the fact is that many hetrosexuals do have some sort of blood transmitted disease. That's why they test the blood before they give it to anyone.
I just couldn't choose in the poll because to me, I would hope that any blood I recieved would have already been checked for diseases. But at the point of needing blood, who is really going to ask who it came from and what kind of lifestyle they have led?

I used to lead a very, very, fast paced sexual lifestyle. Guess I mixed up sex with love.
Granted that was in my teens, but would someone reject my blood if they new how many partners I have had in my past? Even if they knew my blood is clean, no diseases that can be transmitted...
That was sin, I committed adultery, I have repented and been forgiven. God have mercy and I didn't contract any life threatening diseases. Praise God!

I also had a husband who was a drug addict. He was also unfaithful. God had mercy and I never contracted a life threatening disease. Praise God!

But if I wanted to give blood because I want to help save someone's life are they going to ask me all these personal questions about my past sin or will they accept my blood and test it?

I would take blood from anyone that hopefully is free of disease and was willing to give their blood to save my life or the life of a loved one.

It is so sad that there is so much disease. Yes, alot of things contribute to that. Drug use, sexually active people with multiple partners...even tattoos.

My first husband who is actually a good man and a good dad to my oldest son has Hep C.
He got it from a jail tattoo. He was in jail for a DUI.

He is now getting ready to undergo a kind of Chemo to see if the can get rid of it. The chances are 50/50 they will know within 3 months if it is working.


So listen here, EVERYONE, cause I know this makes certain people mad.
I hate the sin, NOT the sinner. That is ALL sin! I hate it, absolutely HATE it. BUT I love you all and would like to be considered your sister in Christ, without resentment or bitterness toward me because we disagree...

I have been there, done that.
and I have only told you a tiny portion of my past.
God has had mercy on me and I praise Him for it.

I love you all and I don't want anyone hurt by things said or to feel condemned. I don't condemn you, but the sin that is in the world.

Anyway, that's it.

I pray God protect you all and hold you close

 

[Miracle Storm]

Awe, I love you too!

I too had a much different lifestyle as a young woman. I also had a hard time picking good friends! And I put myself in situations where I could have been killed, because of the friends of friends that I picked and quite violently at that. God is a good God!!

I am sorry to hear about your 1st Husband's health problem......is he saved?

Amen, see that is the thing. No matter what we have done in our past, we can come to the throne of grace and receive mercy. Jesus is ready at all times, day or night to hear that heart cry of surrender and repent, and turn away from our former lifestyles and choose LIFE through Christ, and He takes every past sin and throws them as far away from us as the east is from the west and remember them no more and make us heirs of His kingdom. And then once we are saved, not if, but when we are tempted to sin, and lose the battle and commit it, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ whom we can confess our sin to, and He is faithful to forgive us and cleanse us. Eventually we will overcome in that area, and the next and the next and the next as we move forward with Him and grow, and we keep growing until the time He takes us home.

John says in 1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:8-9
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I agree completely and feel the same way regarding your closing statements. Amen.

I do not hate any of you. I do truly hate sin, I hate what it does to people, I hate the author of sin, I hate lying and the father of lies. I hate sickness and disease, I hate the works of the devil.

Every one of you is precious to God. It is not His will that anyone should perish but that all would come to repentance, and receive mercy.

We can't come on our terms though and we can't make up our own entry rules. We have to come on His terms and play by His rules.

Jesus said, Come to me all you who are weary and I will give you rest. My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

Ack, you must have quoted it right when I was deleting it. LOL
I had been taking so much heat, I started feeling uncomfortable that I put so much of my past out on the table. But you know what I am glad you saved the post from deletion. That's how God wanted it, He wanted me to release and let some of my testimony be shown..

to your post too dear sister! AMEN!!

 

[MezzaMorta]

If my life depended on it I really wouldn't care where the blood came from.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I didn't answer. 1. We usually don't get to decide from whom we recieve a pint of blood from. The usual scenario is we are in a critical state and in no condition to answer a foolish hypethetical question. 2. I am not going to answer a hypethetical question designed to corrall one into a specific answer who's purpose is to try and show everyone how bad and evil the big bad gays are. Try someone else. i am not going to be some fools uncle Tom and answer a question designed to humilate me or others. Thanks out

 

[BAFRIEND]

a foolish hypethetical question.

You forgot to mention the fact that 75% of all the new AIDS cases last year in the country you live in were homosexuals.

That is not hypothetical, that is a fact. If a doctor tried to give me "gay blood", I would be claiming self-defense at my trial.

PUT A ROSE ON RYAN WHITE'S GRAVE.

 

[Miracle Storm]

You forgot to mention the fact that 75% of all the new AIDS cases last year in the country you live in were homosexuals.

That is not hypothetical, that is a fact. If a doctor tried to give me "gay blood", I would be claiming self-defense at my trial.

PUT A ROSE ON RYAN WHITE'S GRAVE.

Do you have a link for that, because I have looked and looked and can't find anything...

so sad, so sad...

 

[BAFRIEND]

Do you have a link for that, because I have looked and looked and can't find anything...

so sad, so sad...

The Center For Disease control:

CDC:

Quote:
In the United States, HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 72% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005

My stats are higher because gay instances are unreported by those too embarrassed to admit how they really got it.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

You forgot to mention the fact that 75% of all the new AIDS cases last year in the country you live in were homosexuals.

That is not hypothetical, that is a fact. If a doctor tried to give me "gay blood", I would be claiming self-defense at my trial.

PUT A ROSE ON RYAN WHITE'S GRAVE.

Hey BAFRIEND, did you know babies are a source of unspeakable evil. Criminals use babies crying to lure women to their demise.

Grow up, and stop using an innocent child to justify your hate.

Also, have you looked at the Until.org? One of the few websites interested in finding a CURE not just STUDYING it?

• An estimated one million people are currently living with HIV in the United States, with approximately 40,000 new infections occurring each year.
• 70 percent of these new infections occur in men and 30 percent occur in women.
• By race, 54 percent of the new infections in the United States occur among African Americans, and 64 percent of the new infections in women occur in African American women.
• 75 percent of the new infections in women are heterosexually transmitted.
• Half of all new infections in the United States occur in people 25 years of age or younger.

Also, a look at some of the race involved.

I suppose this means African Americans are horribly despicable too ai? Trying to say "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] AIDS=HOMOSEXUALS" is such a fallacy it's not even funny.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I suppose this means African Americans are horribly despicable too ai?

Once again, someone trys to label someone who disagrees with them a racist. Be a little more original, please.

We all know who is responsible for the spread of AIDs.

You are 700% more likely to get AIDS from homoblood than from straight blood, that is the math.

I suppose one could use your comment about race to say that, since the homosexual ones were the ones responsible for the spread of AIDS, then they are the racists. LOL.

I don't use an innocent child to justify my hate. I use him as an example to try to save the lives of other people who might be at risk.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Once again, someone trys to label someone who disagrees with them a racist. Be a little more original, please.

We all know who is responsible for the spread of AIDs.

You are 700% more likely to get AIDS from homoblood than from straight blood, that is the math.

I suppose one could use your comment about race to say that, since the homosexual ones were the ones responsible for the spread of AIDS, then they are the racists. LOL.

I don't use an innocent child to justify my hate. I use him as an example to try to save the lives of other people who might be at risk.

No, you use him to justify hate. You're being highly disrespectful to the child by trying to use him in such a heated argument. I love kids, I plan to adopt many kids myself. And if he were my child, I would find it highly selfish to be using his suffering in something like this. Now stop it IMMEDIATELY (just so you know, I'm genuinely angry. That's hard to do. Congratulations.)

Now then, I am not accusing you of being racist, thank you for automatically assuming that. I am however accusing you of NOT USING YOUR HEAD. You can not say "you're more likely to get it from a homosexual" and disagree with the fact "you're more likely to get if from someone who's black". They both tie together.

Homosexuals, so you know, DIDN'T start the spread of AIDs. Cannibalists did. If they're cannibalists, they're already sick so I don't really need to go into that.

I also won't go into the reason what heterosexuals don't get it as often. I'll give you a hint though - alternative sex patterns. (A man and a women can have "safer" sex evidently. They overteach my health class...)

 

[BAFRIEND]

Ryan White died from a bad transfusion that came from a homosexual.

That is the reality. Sorry if no one here wants to accept the fact that behavior has consequences.

There are infected homosexuals out there purposely spreading the disease to unsuspecting partners with syringes so that in the future they can have unprotected sex with them.

no one wants to hear that either- but it is a fact, also.