who will you vote for?

[LovebirdsFlying]

(snipped for space) My prayer is that BO. loses - I will both vote against him and pray God has mercy on us as a nation. (we don't deserve it)

This is my point. You are not voting for McCain, you are voting against Obama. I don't like this kind of negativity.

 

[Nadiine]

So God wants people to campaign AGAINST Obama instead of FOR McCain? I don't understand. I truly don't.

I don't understand the whole concept. If someone is FOR McCain, why are they flashing images of Obama all over the place? Why not have "McCain/Palin" in your signature, or your avatar, or your bumper sticker, or anything else, instead of "Nobama" or something else snarky? And then calling the negative campaigning Christian? That's what I don't get.

let me quote you just one paragraph of a recent Email I recieved:

But this barely scratches the surface of Obama's extremism. He has promised that 'the first thing I'd do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act' (known as FOCA).

This proposed legislation would create a federally guaranteed "fundamental right" to abortion through all nine months of pregnancy, including, as Cardinal Justin Rigali of Philadelphia has noted in a statement condemning the proposed Act, 'a right to abort a fully developed child in the final weeks for undefined 'health' reasons.'

In essence, FOCA would abolish virtually every existing state and federal limitation on abortion, including parental consent and notification laws for minors, state and federal funding restrictions on abortion, and conscience protections for pro-life citizens working in the health-care industry-protections against being forced to participate in the practice of abortion or else lose their jobs.

The pro-abortion National Organization for Women has proclaimed with approval that FOCA would "sweep away hundreds of anti-abortion laws [and] policies

It gets worse. Obama, unlike even many 'pro-choice' legislators, opposed the ban on partial-birth abortions when he served in the Illinois legislature and condemned the Supreme Court decision that upheld legislation banning this heinous practice.
He has referred to a baby conceived inadvertently by a young woman as a 'punishment' that she should not endure. He has stated that women's equality requires access to abortion on demand.
Appallingly, he wishes to strip federal funding from pro-life crisis pregnancy centers that provide alternatives to abortion for pregnant women in need. There is certainly nothing 'pro-choice' about that.

That's only for starters. YOU THINK AS A CHRISTIAN I COULD VOTE FOR A MAN WHO UPHOLDS PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION?
Nevermind the other problems with his affiliations with hard left wing terrorists, Acorn & 20 yrs. w/ Rev. Wright (his mentor)& that other white guy who preaches *cough* rants there at that church.

And personally, I believe my 'snarky' sig to be very true, so I post it.
I make no bones about who I'm against and why. I do have that right to display it and it's very much becuz of his pro abortion stances & comments.

I find him frightening if you really want to know the truth.

 

[Nadiine]

This is my point. You are not voting for McCain, you are voting against Obama. I don't like this kind of negativity.

EXACTLY!
my prev. post explains why.

I hold a clear conscience before the Lord due to his support of infanticide.

 

[Nadiine]

one more paragraph I recently found too:

But Obama would not stop there. He has co-sponsored a bill-strongly opposed by McCain-that would authorize the large-scale industrial production of human embryos for use in biomedical research in which they would be killed.

In fact, the bill Obama co-sponsored would effectively require the killing of human beings in the embryonic stage that were produced by cloning. It would make it a federal crime for a woman to save an embryo by agreeing to have the tiny developing human being implanted in her womb so that he or she could be brought to term.

This "clone and kill" bill would, if enacted, bring something to America that has heretofore existed only in China-the equivalent of legally mandated abortion.

I haven't verified this yet - but it's alarming if true! and with his past record on partial birth & comment about pregnancy being punishment to women... I have little reason to doubt it as of yet.

 

[Cris413]

I voted already, by mail, as is done in this state. Under the proverb, "You can't please everyone," I will abide by the secret ballot principle and not say who I voted for. Because I don't want to hear it.

The purpose of a Christian website should be to lead the world to Christ, not to lead people to vote any particular way. I am sick of politics, and I am sick of someone's Christianity being called into question because of who they want to vote for. I am sick of campaigning not FOR your chosen candidate, but AGAINST the other. And I am sick of the fact that, no matter how much I say that, mud-slinging on both sides is not going to stop.

:deep breath: There. Now I feel better. Sorry, newbie OP. The rant wasn't directed at you.

I understand with what you're saying here LBF...And I would never ask someone who they voted for...but if asked...I have no problem sharing who I voted for and why.

While I do agree this is a Christian forum...and we should be of a mind that all we do...we do to the glory, honor and praise of God...

...there are many aspects to the boards...having dialog on a variety of subjects, cares and concerns with other Christians is a blessing.

We share a lot of personal thoughts on these boards...not all of them have to do with evangelism...I think you have been a blessing in your thread and have given others an opportunity to be blessings as well.

The election is right around the corner...this election weighs heavy on the hearts of many Christians...some handle it better than others...in different ways.

I say I voted against Obama because I'm not over the moon thrilled with McCain either...

...but I agree with Nadiine...this is the first time I've ever found a political candidate down right frightening on many levels.

I feel bad you're so troubled by this...perhaps it would be better if you just stayed away from the political threads...it might give you more peace.

I know how overwhelming it all can be....I had to take a breather from them myself and still only take a look here and there.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Peace all. I am withdrawing from this thread, not because of anybody else's behavior or words, but because I would have trouble being civil if I continue. Nobody's issue but my own, since I'm just in a bad mood.

 

[BereanTodd]

Sorry but that isn't the ENTIRE issue -
AND we can do both - I keep seeing this either/or attitude that gets promoted - I'd like to think we can have priorities that are equally important to us.
Just like a husband can both love his wife and children AND love his job & try to do a good job with family AND career, etc. etc. It doesn't have to be that we let go of one to try to keep the other going strongly.

How was the world won for Christ? Go back to the early church. When Christians were being put to mass deaths, did they change the world by getting senators to become Christians, or getting themselves elected senators and changing the political climate? NO!

When the Gospel has been spread, and society has been changed it has been apolitical. It has been through the sweat, tears, and sometimes blood of men and women carrying the Gospel message. You can not legislate morality, and no amount of legislation will save people's souls.

Everytime that politics and the church have become closely intertwined - from Constantine onwards - it has been bad, bad news.

The problem is it a lot easier to give money to a candidate, talk politics and vote than it is to go out and get involved with lost people. It is a lot easier to talk or debate politics than it is to win souls. As long as we are more focused on politics - and overall the church in America IS today - then we will not see real change in our society.

 

[Nadiine]

I understand with what you're saying here LBF...And I would never ask someone who they voted for...but if asked...I have no problem sharing who I voted for and why.

While I do agree this is a Christian forum...and we should be of a mind that all we do...we do to the glory, honor and praise of God...

...there are many aspects to the boards...having dialog on a variety of subjects, cares and concerns with other Christians is a blessing.

We share a lot of personal thoughts on these boards...not all of them have to do with evangelism...I think you have been a blessing in your thread and have given others an opportunity to be blessings as well.

The election is right around the corner...this election weighs heavy on the hearts of many Christians...some handle it better than others...in different ways.

I say I voted against Obama because I'm not over the moon thrilled with McCain either...

...but I agree with Nadiine...this is the first time I've ever found a political candidate down right frightening on many levels.

I feel bad you're so troubled by this...perhaps it would be better if you just stayed away from the political threads...it might give you more peace.

I know how overwhelming it all can be....I had to take a breather from them myself and still only take a look here and there.

yes nice post - -

There are a few things I'm overly passionate about

innocent infants being murdered in the womb and innocent animals being tortured; both strike a cord in me that makes me want to lash out at whoever's promoting it.
BO. is one who I lash out at due to what I know of his pro infanticide positions - they aren't even pro choice; pro choice is NEUTRAL compared to setting things up for promotion of on demand abortion AND not funding anyone who tries to save them!


Yes my post is stern, but that's how strongly I feel. I"ve seen that video of an abortion and it's utterly haunting to me.
His love of late term abortions makes me sick.


Other than that, to LBF, I"m sorry you feel offended or uncomfortable, I'd probly get this same radicalism in WWMC against McCain no doubt.

I have nothing against you personally - so for that, I hope I don't offend you. For my positions...... I make no apology tho.

 

[Nadiine]

How was the world won for Christ? Go back to the early church. When Christians were being put to mass deaths, did they change the world by getting senators to become Christians, or getting themselves elected senators and changing the political climate? NO!

When the Gospel has been spread, and society has been changed it has been apolitical. It has been through the sweat, tears, and sometimes blood of men and women carrying the Gospel message. You can not legislate morality, and no amount of legislation will save people's souls.

Everytime that politics and the church have become closely intertwined - from Constantine onwards - it has been bad, bad news.

The problem is it a lot easier to give money to a candidate, talk politics and vote than it is to go out and get involved with lost people. It is a lot easier to talk or debate politics than it is to win souls. As long as we are more focused on politics - and overall the church in America IS today - then we will not see real change in our society.

I don't believe it's an either/or proposition.
Can we not vote and pray in the same day??? Are we not able to multi task and care about other things too?
I like to think that if I can do 4 different things on my computer at intervals of time, then I can both care about politics, vote once every 4 years or so.... pray and list out why I vote for a candidate & why I care.

It kinda baffles me why we're told to do one thing & ignore all the rest as if nothing else matters.
& just becuz it's election season doesn't mean we're MORE focused on politics than God.
(that's another leap to assumption that I disagree with - at least for me) -
other people are deeply interested in politics as others are deeply interested in law... nothing wrong with either and neither usurp priority of God; in fact, I believe God works with and thru them both.

as to what I highlighted... who said morality is to SAVE people?
I just don't want to live in Sodom! It grieved Lot daily to see the debauchery.
But morality IS legislated. you cannot escape it.
Murder, theft, prostitution, illegal drugs, abuse, rape, incest, extortion, lying under oath, etc. all legislated morality.

 

[Cris413]

How was the world won for Christ? Go back to the early church. When Christians were being put to mass deaths, did they change the world by getting senators to become Christians, or getting themselves elected senators and changing the political climate? NO!

When the Gospel has been spread, and society has been changed it has been apolitical. It has been through the sweat, tears, and sometimes blood of men and women carrying the Gospel message. You can not legislate morality, and no amount of legislation will save people's souls.

Everytime that politics and the church have become closely intertwined - from Constantine onwards - it has been bad, bad news.

The problem is it a lot easier to give money to a candidate, talk politics and vote than it is to go out and get involved with lost people. It is a lot easier to talk or debate politics than it is to win souls. As long as we are more focused on politics - and overall the church in America IS today - then we will not see real change in our society.

While I do agree with the basic premise here…I can’t help but consider that faith and politics are not mutually exclusive.

It seems to me…the politics of the day (any day in any time frame) weighs in heavily how one was/is permitted to exercise their faith.

I can’t help but consider the underground Christians who would love to be able to praise and worship God freely and openly as we do here in the United States...but because of the ruling government…death and imprisonment hangs over their heads.

Praise God…that certainly doesn’t stop them!

I don’t think it a conflict in faith to wish to keep our freedoms and to be concerned enough to respond civically.

Certainly our hope and trust does not lie in any government, it lies in Christ Jesus alone, however, while we here…let’s do what we can support leadership that most closely supports Godly standards just as you suggested earlier.

This is an election year…it’s not surprising this is the topic de jour and some appear more preoccupied with it than usual…but I don’t think it’s a fair assumption to consider all else is left by the wayside.

For many…not only is evangelism and service not abandoned during the political process…but creates a sense of urgency to spend more time in prayer and in service to our Lord. I know it has certainly lit a fire in my heart and under my feet.

My apologies if I’m misunderstanding your statement.

 

[Cris413]

yes nice post - -

There are a few things I'm overly passionate about

innocent infants being murdered in the womb and innocent animals being tortured; both strike a cord in me that makes me want to lash out at whoever's promoting it.
BO. is one who I lash out at due to what I know of his pro infanticide positions - they aren't even pro choice; pro choice is NEUTRAL compared to setting things up for promotion of on demand abortion AND not funding anyone who tries to save them!


Yes my post is stern, but that's how strongly I feel. I"ve seen that video of an abortion and it's utterly haunting to me.
His love of late term abortions makes me sick.


Other than that, to LBF, I"m sorry you feel offended or uncomfortable, I'd probly get this same radicalism in WWMC against McCain no doubt.

I have nothing against you personally - so for that, I hope I don't offend you. For my positions......

I'll take passion over apathy anyday...

For my positions...... I make no apology tho.

nor should you!....

 

[Nadiine]

I'll take passion over apathy anyday...

nor should you!....

thanks Cris...
I'm kind of having a 'bad' day too - I probly shouldn't even post today

:o:o
so if I sound more sharp today, my apologies - I could probly word things less abruptly but still have the same positions

 

[CADude12]

I'm voting for McCain. No question about it.

 

[Secundulus]

I am voting against the one who supports the intrinsic evil of abortion. I do not understand how any Christian can support a candidate who is so morally reprobate as to not recognize this evil.

 

[Cris413]

thanks Cris...
I'm kind of having a 'bad' day too - I probly shouldn't even post today

:o:o
so if I sound more sharp today, my apologies - I could probly word things less abruptly but still have the same positions

and another...

for the peace of God to pour over you like a flood...

 

[Henaynei]

for McCain and a republican ticket

 

[drstevej]

for McCain and a republican ticket

right on... repped to 1.5 BILLION

 

[hsmommyofmany]

since i was the original poster for this thread i would just like to say thanks for all of the responses, sorry that some get so emotional over it, but i do not see anything wrong with healthy debate. i enjoy reading everyone's take on what is important to them. it has been very enlightening for me. i am still voting for mccain but i must say i am a bit suprised at how many christians are voting for obama. personally i agree with some of the other posters...obama's views do scare me, but like someone said...ultimately God will have his way...whether we like it or not. i guess i can have some sense of peace that at least i know God will protect me and my family no matter what, at least obama can not take that away from me.

thanks again to everyone.

 

[drstevej]

Hi mommy, Vote, pray and trust the Lord!

 

[Jim47]

I think there is a good chance we may escape this election and win, but what will happen in the future if we can not re-establish morality and God given values?

I like you all, have heard the crowds voice their peaces, and it is very disheartening to hear people voting against conservatives solely because they want to kill unborn babies