who will you vote for?

[Henaynei]

voted early so I don't have to take time off work

I admit I didn't vote for McCain in the primaries and would have, obviously, preferred another republican, but these two men are the ones G-d has presented me for a choice... and I had to chose the one I feel is the closest to my ethics and biblical morality.... no body's perfect, even presidents!!

my voting technique:
pray
research
pray
vote
pray
trust G-d for the outcome....

btw - I'm in a battle ground state, North Carolina, and I'm voting to prevent Obama from winning this state and to get McCain in.

 

[Nadiine]

I should have used this letter by an african american Christian as to why I won't vote for Obama - this has nothing to do w/ party lines - but ethics & values.

Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown

Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective.

First, I must say whomever wins the election will have my prayer support.
Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments, but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness.
I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads, I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader .
I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote Christian because that's who I am.
Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I
won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.

In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, and human cloning wrong, economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record.
His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.


NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (1/31/2008).
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in two short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating.
There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.
There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas, etc., love him.
There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court.
There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion.
There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito.
These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion--the same practice Obama wanted to continue.
Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to continue.
The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedure
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
(Remember, this is a live baby.)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
God help him.

There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.
Think about this: you can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification, but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.

There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment, but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make disciples of all nations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you, talk like you believe what you believe, etc. The question I have is, what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?

Would you support a white President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a:
1. Commitment to the white community.
2. Commitment to the white family.
3. Adherence to the white work ethic.
4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the white community .
5. Pledge to allocate regularly, a portion of personal resources for strengthening and supporting white institutions.
6. Pledge allegiance to all white leadership who espouse and embrace the white value system.
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the white value system.
Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist.
Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discover he went to a racist church.

The church can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The church's value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if its a white church or a black church--it's still wrong. Anyone from either race who attends a church like this would never get my vote.
Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book, 'A Black Theology of Liberation.' Cone wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.'
Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?


So what does all this mean for the nation?
In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing -- judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8:6 when Israel asked for a king.
First God says in 1 Samuel 8:9 'Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.'
Then God says, 1 Samuel 8:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.'
19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a king over us.
20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.'
21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD.
22 The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic.
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing, but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.

For all my friends who are voting for Obama, can you really look God in the face and say; 'Father, based on Your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four supreme court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against You. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though You destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.'

I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.
Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,
1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?
2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?

Blessings,
Huntley Brown

 

[Cris413]

Good post Nadiine...sadly...I think many who will vote for Obama already know a lot of this stuff and have rationalized it away.

I've never heard so many excuses made for a candidate in my life.

 

[Jim47]

You like to murder innocent children

You want make gay marriage lawful in spite of what The Lord has said

You hate America and American freedom and liberites and favor a communistic state of goverment instead

I know there are others but this whole thing just makes me sick

 

[WalksWithChrist]

You like to murder innocent children

You want make gay marriage lawful in spite of what The Lord has said

You hate America and American freedom and liberites and favor a communistic state of goverment instead

I know there are others but this whole thing just makes me sick

That's ok Jim.

This post spreading lies makes me sick.

It's a wash.

 

[Cris413]

More language on gay rights:

It is not enough to look back in wonder at how far we have come; those who came before us did not strike a blow against injustice only so that we would allow injustice to fester in our time. That means removing the barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding that still exist in America. We support the full inclusion of all families, including same-sex couples, in the life of our nation, and support equal responsibility, benefits, and protections. We will enact a comprehensive bipartisan employment non-discrimination act. We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us.


Abortion

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to comprehensive affordable family planning services and age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman's decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre- and post-natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.

The DNC revised their platform to include the portion in red, which IMO was added to make the portion in blue a little more palatable...

Link to the DNC Platform

 

[Cris413]

Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.
We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.
Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the non-consensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society. Because government should set a positive standard in hiring and contracting for the services of persons with disabilities, we need to update the statutory authority for the AbilityOne program, the main avenue by which those productive members of our society can offer high quality services at the best possible value.
Preserving Traditional Marriage
Because our children’s future is best preserved within the traditional understanding of marriage, we call for a constitutional amendment that fully protects marriage as a union of a man and a woman, so that judges cannot make other arrangements equivalent to it. In the absence of a national amendment, we support the right of the people of the various states to affirm traditional marriage through state initiatives.
Republicans recognize the importance of having in the home a father and a mother who are married. The two-parent family still provides the best environment of stability, discipline, responsibility, and character. Children in homes without fathers are more likely to commit a crime, drop out of school, become violent, become teen parents, use illegal drugs, become mired in poverty, or have emotional or behavioral problems. We support the courageous efforts of single-parent families to provide a stable home for their children. Children are our nation’s most precious resource. We also salute and support the efforts of foster and adoptive families.
Republicans have been at the forefront of protecting traditional marriage laws, both in the states and in Congress. A Republican Congress enacted the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of states not to recognize same-sex “marriages” licensed in other states. Unbelievably, the Democratic Party has now pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which would subject every state to the redefinition of marriage by a judge without ever allowing the people to vote on the matter. We also urge Congress to use its Article III, Section 2 power to prevent activist federal judges from imposing upon the rest of the nation the judicial activism in Massachusetts and California. We also encourage states to review their marriage and divorce laws in order to strengthen marriage.
As the family is our basic unit of society, we oppose initiatives to erode parental rights
Safeguarding Religious Liberties
Our Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion and forbids any religious test for public office, and it likewise prohibits the establishment of a state-sponsored creed. The balance between those two ideals has been distorted by judicial rulings which attempt to drive faith out of the public arena. The public display of the Ten Commandments does not violate the U.S. Constitution and accurately reflects the Judeo-Christian heritage of our country. We support the right of students to engage in student-initiated, student-led prayer in public schools, athletic events, and graduation ceremonies, when done in conformity with constitutional standards.
We affirm every citizen’s right to apply religious values to public policy and the right of faith-based organizations to participate fully in public programs without renouncing their beliefs, removing religious objects or symbols, or becoming subject to government-imposed hiring practices. Forcing religious groups to abandon their beliefs as applied to their hiring practices is religious discrimination. We support the First Amendment right of freedom of association of the Boy Scouts of America and other service organizations whose values are under assault, and we call upon the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to reverse its policy of blacklisting religious groups which decline to arrange adoptions by same-sex couples. Respectful of our nation’s diversity in faith, we urge reasonable accommodation of religious beliefs in the private workplace. We deplore the increasing incidence of attacks against religious symbols, as well as incidents of anti-Semitism on college campuses.


Link to GOP Platform

 

[WalksWithChrist]

More language on gay rights:

It is not enough to look back in wonder at how far we have come; those who came before us did not strike a blow against injustice only so that we would allow injustice to fester in our time. That means removing the barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding that still exist in America. We support the full inclusion of all families, including same-sex couples, in the life of our nation, and support equal responsibility, benefits, and protections. We will enact a comprehensive bipartisan employment non-discrimination act. We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us.


Abortion

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to comprehensive affordable family planning services and age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman's decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre- and post-natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.

The DNC revised their platform to include the portion in red, which IMO was added to make the portion in blue a little more palatable...

Link to the DNC Platform

I would agree.

 

[Cris413]

I would agree.

I'm not sure zactly what you're agreeing with...my comment or the DNC Platform...

When I read it...most of it anyway...after I read their stance on abortion and gay marriage...pretty much everything else they had to say regarding the sanctity and quality of life...seemed...ummmmm...kinda "moot"

 

[Jim47]

More language on gay rights:


We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman's decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre- and post-natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.

The DNC revised their platform to include the portion in red, which IMO was added to make the portion in blue a little more palatable...

Link to the DNC Platform

Yeah, all their trying to do is buy more votes. Obama is all for a "fits all government" and it doesn't matter who's rights he is stepping on to make immoral rights legal and "paid for" by those who oppose them and are abhored by it all.

I just pray that we don't lose our freedom of religion like I suspect he will try to do if he comes to power.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I'm not sure zactly what you're agreeing with...my comment or the DNC Platform...

When I read it...most of it anyway...after I read their stance on abortion and gay marriage...pretty much everything else they had to say regarding the sanctity and quality of life...seemed...ummmmm...kinda "moot"

Sorry, I was very out of it when I replied!

I agreed that the part at the bottom makes the rest a bit easier to swallow.


Doncha love politics?

 

[Cris413]

Sorry, I was very out of it when I replied!

I agreed that the part at the bottom makes the rest a bit easier to swallow.


Doncha love politics?

I really hate politics...(this is the one time I can use a word like "hate" and not feel bad about it)

I don't swallow any of it...

...'cause a fat worm on the hook might make it "look" tastier...butcha still end up in the fryin' pan.

 

[Cris413]

Yeah, all their trying to do is buy more votes. Obama is all for a "fits all government" and it doesn't matter who's rights he is stepping on to make immoral rights legal and "paid for" by those who oppose them and are abhored by it all.

Yes, I particularly noted "regardless of ability to pay"...meaning the Gov will pay for it...meaning the tax payers...who are more than likely those opposed to abortion.

I just pray that we don't lose our freedom of religion like I suspect he will try to do if he comes to power.

It's going to happen...eventually...and Obama may add several nails to that coffin if he gets elected.

His goal appears to be a socialized utopia...but it's exactly that...an illusion...or perhaps...deception would be a better word.

I don't know the whole story behind his thoughts that our Constitution is flawed...I can't seem to find anything online that's not biased one way or the other...

I listened to his comments about it and without the entire comment I have no idea what he's talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4


...many say his comments were taken out of context...that he was talking about slavery...but slavery doesn't continue to today...it was abolished quite some time ago and I do believe everyone...including women do have equal rights today...

The only slavery I see gaining support is slavery to the Government.

...however...I don't think we're being equally "stripped" of our rights these days....some of us...more than others seem to be feeling the ax taken to our rights and freedoms...

Anywhooo...I thought the Pres of our country takes an oath to uphold the Constitution...well...I guess seeing as how the Supreme Court has difficulties with that...it doesn't surprise me it would no longer be a requirement for the President either.

If Obama gets elected...will he, in good conscience, be able to take the oath of office...or will they rewrite it especially for him?

Seriously...based on what he's said...how could he?

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

 

[porterross]

Look for a lot of basic Constitutional challenges if the dems gain overall majority.

 

[drstevej]

Look for a lot of basic Constitutional challenges if the dems gain overall majority.

No need if he appointed 3 SC justices. They can just find what they want in the present one.

 

[Jim47]

Look for a lot of basic Constitutional challenges if the dems gain overall majority.

Yeah, its quite freightening. If I didn't have complete faith in God to care for us I would probably lose it, that is, I would lose what I haven't already lost

Maybe I'm naive but I still have hopes for this country. Its hard to believe that people would throw away all that American's have fought and died for

 

[drstevej]

Win or lose, the Great Commission is still the Great Commission.

 

[porterross]

Win or lose, the Great Commission is still the Great Commission.

Indeed. We have to trust that God's will is being done whether we can understand it or not. Praying for our leaders and the world is something we should always make a point to do.

 

[Jim47]

Yes, I particularly noted "regardless of ability to pay"...meaning the Gov will pay for it...meaning the tax payers...who are more than likely those opposed to abortion.



It's going to happen...eventually...and Obama may add several nails to that coffin if he gets elected.

His goal appears to be a socialized utopia...but it's exactly that...an illusion...or perhaps...deception would be a better word.

I don't know the whole story behind his thoughts that our Constitution is flawed...I can't seem to find anything online that's not biased one way or the other...

I listened to his comments about it and without the entire comment I have no idea what he's talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4


...many say his comments were taken out of context...that he was talking about slavery...but slavery doesn't continue to today...it was abolished quite some time ago and I do believe everyone...including women do have equal rights today...

The only slavery I see gaining support is slavery to the Government.

...however...I don't think we're being equally "stripped" of our rights these days....some of us...more than others seem to be feeling the ax taken to our rights and freedoms...

Anywhooo...I thought the Pres of our country takes an oath to uphold the Constitution...well...I guess seeing as how the Supreme Court has difficulties with that...it doesn't surprise me it would no longer be a requirement for the President either.

If Obama gets elected...will he, in good conscience, be able to take the oath of office...or will they rewrite it especially for him?

Seriously...based on what he's said...how could he?

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

The sound on my computor isn't good enough for me to listen to that you-tube file, but I'm sure I've already heard it as I listen almost daily to Rush and Sean and they miss very little

Obama has no respect for any part of our Constitution. It will all be history if he had his way. Remember he was trained for 20 years by a hate preacher.

 

[Cris413]

Indeed. We have to trust that God's will is being done whether we can understand it or not. Praying for our leaders and the world is something we should always make a point to do.

Everyday!