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Who will NOT enter the kingdom of heaven?
Here is unmistakable proof that doing certain things will leave us out of the kingdom of God. I have heard many, who say they are Christians, tell me that they do some of these things but it is okay because they are somehow, miraculously immune to sin, or they say that their sins do not apply to them because they are born again. This is the most dangerous teaching I have ever heard. Personally I have attended church in every mainstream denomination, and some denominations scare me on how far they take this issue.
Years ago I was talking to my brother in law about Jesus. For me I never get tired of sharing Jesus. I want to talk about Him 24/7, but I cannot find anybody, in the past 30 years who feels the same way. Anyway, while I was talking to him he was doing all he can to avoid the conversation but wanted to be polite because we very seldom visited each other. At the end of the conversation he said that he spends 2 hours with God every week and that is all God requires from him, that is all he wants to spend with God. I asked him, what do you think heaven will be like? In the presence of pure righteousness, with no beer, no sin, nothing unhealthy, and everybody is righteous, without sin ever again. Would a person who does the things, I listed from Paul's writings, even want to be in heaven?
1Corinthians:6:9&10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians:5:19: "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Romans:1:22-32: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
For anybody to continue in these things and still believe they are saved needs to be made a subject for much prayer, and even fasting that the Lord reveal the truth about confession, forgiveness and even righteousness.
Some have even told me that they can be separated from God, which sin does, and still be "saved". Isaiah:59:2: "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." Maybe some believe that iniquities and sins are different, but with all the studying I have done I have found that iniquities are far less of an offence, so if iniquities separate us from God what do sins do? David tells us in Psalms:66:18: "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:" So how can we profess to follow Jesus and live the worldly life that these attributes cause? The subject of salvation needs to be the foremost study for all who follow Jesus.
The "peace and safety" gospel emanating from all pulpits in all denominations is causing this great lack of knowledge on this most important subject. I call it the lovey dovey peace and safety gospel. There are two sides of love! Jesus said in Revelation:3:19: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." Do we hear any rebuke coming from any pulpits today? Are those who know their spiritual gifts blowing the trumpet in Zion? Or are we following this horrible principle that is enforced by the lovey dovey preachers? Isaiah:56:10: "His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber." The Laodicean condition is very fitting for the church today. The church MUST wake up. I am not referring to any denomination. I am referring to Christians in all denominations which make up Gods true church in the end. We do not want to be "spewed out of the mouth of God" do we? Revelation:3:14-22: "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
Yes. The above is straight forward and to the point.Do you talk to your wife this way?
Saying that "no sin will send you to hell" is not the same as was charged in the OP against believers in eternal security.
Peace be with you.
That is Fantastic and Very Healthy. I Encourage you to Spread your Views about Jesus 24/7. Don't let anyone prevent you from doing so.
God bless you.
No kidding?The false assumption of "eternal security" which states that all we need to do is mumble a few words and we are saved forever, and all our sins past present and future are gone forever, and all my sins I commit are miraculously "covered" by the blood is not at all biblical.
How can you understand my belief in what I do not believe? Please explain that to me if you would.I can understand why you believe this because of the false teachers you use to support your unbelief.
So why are you giving your opinion about what others believe rather than let their presented scriptures say what they believe for them?IMHO is not welcome in any bible study. Before I write anything I pray about it, and battle with the Holy Spirit over it before I write it.
You are not a prophet of God.what I write is not a pleasing message just like all the prophets in the bible. None of their messages pleased anyone
Yes.Do you know what your Spiritual gift is?
I called you to repentance for your misrepresentation of the teachings of others - not for your beliefs about what the scriptures themselves teach.To call me out and tell me I must repent of what I have written is way out of line, unless you come to me with a heartfelt study from God's holy word, and not some popular false teachers opinions of the day.
I have been in every mainstream denomination after leaving the catholic church which I grew up in. I have studied the bible, NOT denominational traditions for 50 years
If you understand how I believe the doctrine of eternal security to be - then why have you misrepresented it?I use to believe in "eternal" security, the one that you believe
Rather it makes the intercessory work of Jesus Christ an absolute necessity.The teaching that tells humanity they cannot stop sinning, or they cannot live without sinning makes a mockery of the cross.
And exactly which group believes that "all we need to do is mumble a few words and we are saved forever, and all our sins past present and future are gone forever, and all my sins I commit are miraculously "covered" by the blood "?
Perhaps you could provide for us an example where some preacher said that.
How can you understand my belief in what I do not believe? Please explain that to me if you would.
You've obviously failed to pray about your posts here before posting them. They are not only linguistically flawed - they are falsely representing the beliefs of God's people - something the Holy Spirit would never sanction.
You are not a prophet of God.
I called you to repentance for your misrepresentation of the teachings of others - not for your beliefs about what the scriptures themselves teach.
I believe that your growing up in the catholic church is a basic route of false leanings for you. Your association with the Adventist heresies further compounds your legalistic bents.
I ask again, "And exactly which group believes that "all we need to do is mumble a few words and we are saved forever, and all our sins past present and future are gone forever, and all my sins I commit are miraculously "covered" by the blood "?
Yes.Do you know what your Spiritual gift is?
Because I do claim to be. Now you know my spiritual gift.I do not claim to be, but how do you know that I am not?
You have already called out "all denominations"......................I will not call out any denomination because that is against the rules here on CF.
Yes. The above is straight forward and to the point.
You challenged my contention with the OP by pointing out an example of what you call "hyper-grace". You seemed to have read in my post that I did not believe that people believed and taught the things which Joseph Prince believes and teaches.
I have no idea how you got that idea from my post and I asked you what your point was. If it is indeed that you heard me to say such a thing - then point out the statement in question and we will discuss it.
Even though you are not my wife - I am willing to spend time with you. But only if you are logical and your arguments are to the point.
Often you and they are not. This is such a case. I asked you to explain. Please do.
Every pulpit worthy of the name quotes the Lord in this passage in Revelation. Every pulpit worthy of the name calls for repentance in the church - either concerning what they consider incorrect doctrine or personal sins.Keep up. Here is my point.
masmpg said: There are two sides of love! Jesus said in Revelation:3:19: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."
You replied: Every pulpit I have ever listened to who preached the eternal security of the believer knows and also preaches this.
Every pulpit DOES NOT preach this, that is, 'be zealous therefore and repent', as you said. If you knew Joseph Prince's teaching, as you say you do, you would not have made the above statement.
"Repentance and confession of sin are never necessary."
I don't believe that he had heard many if any eternal security proponents say that.I have heard many, who say they are Christians, tell me that they do some of these things but it is okay because they are somehow, miraculously immune to sin, or they say that their sins do not apply to them because they are born again.
Thank you Gabriel
A little encouragement is a great blessing. Jesus sent out His disciples two by two for encouragement. We are told in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes that a twofold cord is not easily broken, and many other rich blessings along those lines.
"Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?" James 4:11-12Peace be with you.
That is good advice indeed from the Word of God.
A lot of Churches preach pleasing messages to their congregation to make their congregation feel good about themselves. In that way, the congregation would be more inclined to open their purses and wallets to reward the Church for making them feel good and special.
A Church needs $$$ to function. A Pastor or Priest who preaches about Hell and consequences of sin is usually not rewarded well by his congregation because that makes them feel sinful and sad and depressed and angry.
So most Priests and Pastors preach about Grace, Mercy, Joy, Hope, Faith, Love, Blessings, Prosperity, Heaven, all the good and fabulous things that their congregation love to hear to make their congregation feel loved and special so that they feel good about themselves and open their wallets and purses with great love and generosity of spirit to reward the Church for hiring such an Amazing Preacher or Priest.
Salesman, Entertainer, Psychologist all in one makes the best Priest, Pastor for the here and now. - The Art of pleasing the crowd to get a nice reward and praises in the here and now.
"God loves you the way you are."
"God rewards those who are generous to the Church."
"Gambling is fine as long as you donate some of the proceeds to the Church."
"God Forgives Everything. Don't worry you will be in Heaven with God."
"You read the Bible? Why? Just come to Church and listen to me. I am your Pastor, aren't I?"
"Your wife is cheating on you? Don't worry, it just means you can cheat on her, free pass, you know. God forgives all sins. No worries."
"You want to murder someone? You're angry at him because he ripped you off? Why don't you pay someone to do that for you. I know someone in our congregation who's good in those kind of things. I just don't want you to go to jail because you're so generous to the Church and loved by God."
"You're having money problems? That's what happens when you don't give enough to the Church."
"Is going to a whorehouse a sin? Were you born yesterday? Prostitutes go to Heaven, don't you know that?"
"Is lying a sin? It is a sin to ask if lying is a sin!"
"Is defrauding and cheating people a sin? You must focus on the Grace and Mercy of God. Sin is only a problem for unbelievers. If you defraud and cheat people but you donate a portion of that to the Church, you are blessed in the Eyes of God and forgiven and generous. "
I think the Church is just supplying what the people want.
John 3 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
19 This is why people are condemned: The light came into the world. Yet, people loved the dark rather than the light because their actions were evil. 20 People who do what is wrong hate the light and don’t come to the light. They don’t want their actions to be exposed. 21 But people who do what is true come to the light so that the things they do for God may be clearly seen.
God bless you.
Peace be with you.
A lot of Churches preach pleasing messages to their congregation to make their congregation feel good about themselves. In that way, the congregation would be more inclined to open their purses and wallets to reward the Church for making them feel good and special.
A Church needs $$$ to function. A Pastor or Priest who preaches about Hell and consequences of sin is usually not rewarded well by his congregation because that makes them feel sinful and sad and depressed and angry.
So most Priests and Pastors preach about Grace, Mercy, Joy, Hope, Faith, Love, Blessings, Prosperity, Heaven, all the good and fabulous things that their congregation love to hear to make their congregation feel loved and special so that they feel good about themselves and open their wallets and purses with great love and generosity of spirit to reward the Church for hiring such an Amazing Preacher or Priest.[/QUOTE}
Again, hitting the nail on the head! Churches have become emotional encouragement. The more the sermon plays on emotions the more they will give!
Salesman, Entertainer, Psychologist all in one makes the best Priest, Pastor for the here and now. - The Art of pleasing the crowd to get a nice reward and praises in the here and now.[/QUOTE}
Have you ever heard of NLP Neuro Linguistic Programming? This is a method used to hypnotize large groups of people. I can spot it right off. They tell stories that play on the emotional heartstrings, and the sermon is very emotional and the "garden of prayer" that gets everyone crying! Its like an emotional roller coaster ride. Salvation has very little if anything to do with emotions or feelings. Denominations require their pastors to take lessons in NLP!
"God loves you the way you are."
"God rewards those who are generous to the Church."
"Gambling is fine as long as you donate some of the proceeds to the Church."
"God Forgives Everything. Don't worry you will be in Heaven with God."
"You read the Bible? Why? Just come to Church and listen to me. I am your Pastor, aren't I?"
"Your wife is cheating on you? Don't worry, it just means you can cheat on her, free pass, you know. God forgives all sins. No worries."
"You're having money problems? That's what happens when you don't give enough to the Church."
"Is going to a whorehouse a sin? Were you born yesterday? Prostitutes go to Heaven, don't you know that?"
"Is lying a sin? It is a sin to ask if lying is a sin!"
"Is defrauding and cheating people a sin? You must focus on the Grace and Mercy of God. Sin is only a problem for unbelievers. If you defraud and cheat people but you donate a portion of that to the Church, you are blessed in the Eyes of God and forgiven and generous. "
I think the Church is just supplying what the people want.
All this is very fitting for the church today. Here is how Isaiah puts it in Isaiah:4:1: "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach." Here is what it means. Seven women represent God's church. Seven being complete and the woman represents the church. Take hold of one man Jesus, saying we will eat our own bread meaning we have our own doctrine, we do not need the bible, and wear our own self righteousness instead of the righteousness of Christ found in Galatians 2:20, only let us be called Christian!
John 3 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
19 This is why people are condemned: The light came into the world. Yet, people loved the dark rather than the light because their actions were evil. 20 People who do what is wrong hate the light and don’t come to the light. They don’t want their actions to be exposed. 21 But people who do what is true come to the light so that the things they do for God may be clearly seen.
God bless you.
You too. Keep up the studies and the warnings they are much needed today! Don't let any professed prophets discourage you.
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