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He’s quoting from psalms which are not always intended to be taken literally, they’re often proverbial sayings and proverbial saying are often exaggerated like as if I were to say nobody writes letters anymore. There’s an element of truth to that statement but it’s not intended to be taken literally. There’s purpose of the statement is to indicate that very few people write letters nowadays, not that nobody actually writes letters. None are righteous, not one? The Bible specifically states that several people were righteous. I’ve already told you this and as usual you just ignore it. When you have several passages making direct statements and you have a psalm that is making an opposing statement I would go with the several direct statements because the psalms are often composed of proverbial saying that are not intended to be taken literally.
 
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St Iranaeus' writings are his own opinion, he was not an Apostle, or a Prophet of God, so with all due respect, I don't follow after men, as you obviously do. I follow the Lord Jesus, thank you very much.
 
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There is no scripture stating that "God does not desire for man to sin". You just made that up to support your Arminianism.

Man has no free will, that's something the Gnostics conjured up, but there's nothing in the bible to support such a silly idea.

God doesn't have any plans, that's another silly heresy invented by the Gnostics. Mans actions can never thwart Gods decrees, what wicked men meant for evil, Gods uses to bring about His will.
 
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No, just because you deny something doesn't mean that it's not true. You deny "predestination to salvation", you claim it's a heretical teaching by John Calvin. But when I showed you that God teaches the same thing, you just ignore the in your face evidence and pretend you can't see the elephant in the room.
 
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Your interpretation Genesis 6:5-6 is blasphemous and it means that God is a liar and He's not in control of anything at all.
This means that, either your interpretations is fundamentally flawed and catastrophically wrong, or if your opinion was correct then God is not who He claims to be.
 
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Amen brother, the truth of the gospel is pure and simple and it leaves nothing for man to boast about. But the natural man, cannot receive it, because it is Spiritually discerned. Only those who are led by the Spirit, receive it and it is foolishness to the rest.
 
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I'm sorry to correct you again, but I have to because your opinion that some scriptures are exaggerated, is highly offensive to me and all those who believe that all Scripture is >>>>

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

Unlike yourself, I don't believe that God exaggerates or plays word games. Every Word of God is precious and authoritative and is never disposable.
 
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St Iranaeus' writings are his own opinion, he was not an Apostle, or a Prophet of God, so with all due respect, I don't follow after men, as you obviously do. I follow the Lord Jesus, thank you very much.
Oh but you follow after 16th century theologians to interpret scripture but not 2nd century theologians. Which one do you think had a better idea of what the early church taught?
 
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I appreciate your sincerity, but the idea that man can chose to believe the gospel without God first quickening him to life, is not supported by the Bible.
But that’s not what’s being said. The church has always taught (and laid these teachings down officially some 15 centuries ago), that man cannot move or raise himself, that grace is absolutely essential. The issue is in whether or not man can resist being drawn, or turn back way later after having tasted of the heavenly gift, failing to persevere.

It’s a matter of what we do with the gift(s) given, with more demanded of those given more (Luke 12:48). The Parable of the Talents in Matt 25 sheds much light on how this works.
 
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Oh please do provide evidence to support your claim that the gnostics taught that man has free will because I just proved that they taught total depravity by quoting Iranaeus refuting their theology. Adversus Haereses was specifically written to refute Gnosticism. So present your evidence to support your claim, I’ve already presented mine.
 
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So Genesis 6:5-6 doesn’t say that God doesn’t desire for man to sin?

“Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

God grieved in His heart but He wanted man to sin?
 
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Oh but you follow after 16th century theologians to interpret scripture but not 2nd century theologians. Which one do you think had a better idea of what the early church taught?
The Reformers went back into Christian history and recovered the true doctrines, like justification by faith alone. That had been buried under centuries of Roman heresy.
 
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I’ve never refuted predestination at all. We are chosen according to God’s foreknowledge, according to His prognosis. The word predestined means to choose or appoint beforehand, to preordain. I’ve never refuted that at all. We were chosen according to His foreknowledge before the foundation of the world and written in the book of life. How is that not predestination?
 
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Then by all means please do provide an accurate interpretation of the passage.
 
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So then what do you do with the passages that say that Noah, Job, Abraham, Lot, and Zachariah were righteous men?
 
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The Reformers went back into Christian history and recovered the true doctrines, like justification by faith alone. That had been buried under centuries of Roman heresy.
Too bad they only went back to the 5th century. Personally I think the 1st & 2nd century theologians had a better idea of what the apostles taught because they were actually disciples of the apostles and disciples of the apostle’s disciples. Don’t get me wrong they had the right idea to get out of the Roman church but they still ended up with a heretical theology.
 
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Oh but you follow after 16th century theologians to interpret scripture but not 2nd century theologians. Which one do you think had a better idea of what the early church taught?
What's with the false accusations, where did you get the notion that I follow some 16th century theologians. I'd be interested to know, who lied to you and why you believe what slanderers say.

 
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Sorry, but the Bible does not support your view that "we must do this or that, in order to be saved". The Bible never ever says this anywhere.
I realise many professing Christians don't believe what Gods said about salvation, He said it is "not by works". So why are there so many obsessed with the false "saved by works" version of the gospel.,

I notice you're trying to defend your "saved by works" version of the gospel, by appealing to >>>

Hebrews 6:4-6 "4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

The above verses confirm that the people in question were never saved, many just presume they were saved but the Bile never says they were, so why do you insist on making the bible say what it's not saying.

It must be speaking about those false professors or "wolves in sheep's clothing" types of Christians. Who attend Church services regularly and enjoy a free lunch and enjoy all the benefits that come with being a part of the Church community. Just like Judas Iscariot.

If your theory was biblically correct, then it would mean that Gods Word is full of contradictions, rendering it useless.
consider the verses below, how do they line up with your theory.

1 John 2"19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

Those guys attended Church services regularly and they did all the external things to show they are genuine believers, but the truth is they were never converted inwardly, it was all an outward show.
 
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You presented no evidence, I don't believe in those men you follow. I only follow the Lord Jesus, you can have those wise guys all to yourself
 
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That's right, Genesis 6:5-6 doesn't say any such silly thing. Why are you obsessed with making stuff up. Don't you know that those who add or take away from Gods Word will suffer all of the plagues described in the book of Revelation. Yes that includes the lake of fire.

Where does it say that "God doesn't desire for man to sin",,,, answer NOWHERE!!!
 
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