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When Paul got up in Peters face cause the all dissembled in him too huh?
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When Paul got up in Peters face cause the all dissembled in him too huh?
The first one that ever heard of it and every one of them since
Paul wasn't in their "click"
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The first one that ever heard of it and every one of them since
When Paul got up in Peters face cause the all dissembled in him too huh?
Feel free to provide a quote. The earlier the better.
It is important for discovering the Truth.
Something like this:
Cyprian of Carthage
"The Lord says to Peter: I say to you, he says, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church. . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).
Feel free to provide a quote. The earlier the better.
It is important for discovering the Truth.
Something like this:
Cyprian of Carthage
"The Lord says to Peter: I say to you, he says, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church. . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).
Paul criticized Peter's behavior, not his doctrine.
Paul went to hear Peter's teaching regarding the necessity of circumcision for the Jews, and he abided by Peter's revelation.
I don't think there was or is any Apostle of the world. Each Apostle was assigned to certain parts of the world. They each had their part in spreading His Word. I do believe Peter had the honor of answering for the Apostles in certain circumstances, but if all were present, they would all be able to answer for themselves. St. Peter founded 2 or 3 churches (I can't remember off the top of my head), with one of those being Rome, which was founded by both he and St. Paul. St. Andrew founded the church in Constantinople, and St. Paul found many churches in Greece. St. John also spread the gospel in certain parts. He was also singled out to write Revelation, and the only Apostle who wasn't killed. Then there was St. Matthew who found churches...was it in Asia? St. Thomas was somewhere around Indonesia or India. My memory isn't too great on those specifics. Anyhow, that's the way I understand the Apostles and how they worked, which was together and separately (wherever they were traveling, of course).As John Chrysostom stated, James was Bishop of Jerusalem, Peter was Bishop of the world.
There is no explicit rejection of Peter's primacy by the apostles.
I think the EOC does reject it (really the supremacy by the Patriarch in Rome and such) and has since the schism because if it didn't, there wouldn't have probably been the schism (along w/some other minor reasons compared to that one).How do Orthodox Christians honor the primacy of the Bishop of Rome?
Actually Jesus was calling Peter a pebble and saying He would build His Church on Himself, The Rock.
Please give me a break. God's Church was not, nor ever could be built on a mere man.
That is funny though.
Actually Jesus was calling Peter a pebble and saying He would build His Church on Himself, The Rock.
Please give me a break. God's Church was not, nor ever could be built on a mere man.
That is funny though.
Actually Jesus was calling Peter a pebble and saying He would build His Church on Himself, The Rock.
Please give me a break. God's Church was not, nor ever could be built on a mere man.
That is funny though.
Cephas is by interpretation a stone indeed
John 1:42 Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
Of the same Peter says, "Ye also" are the same as "me" saying...
1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
WE also its a "type" we are acceptable to God in Christ (the Rock) of the profession
Mark 8:27 Whom do men say that I am?
1Cr 12:3 For ... no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
So he asks them (this is being pointed out)
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Same principal
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Stone laid in Sion given and laid by the Father
2Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Which speaks to Christ
1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
The Spiritual Rock here
1Cr 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Ephes 2:20 And are built upon the foundation ofthe apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Built upon the foundation of apostles is in the plural
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom sayye that I am?
Peter just answered
Jesus is "counted" as he also is both Rock and Stone (the builders can indeed reject)
Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
His profession given him of the Father which is the Stone laid in Sion (The Church of the firstborn) Flesh and blood did not reveal it to Him
This Pauls same acknowledgement
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
The rock is Christ in them, nevertheless they also as Peter says YE ALSO are as lively stones (to Him coming) built up a spiritual house, accepted of God in Christ (the stone laid in Sion) and built on the plurality of the apostles Christ Jesus being First and Cheif corner stone and the Apostle of "their profession"
1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
I regard Christ as the rock of the apostles profession though
Not a trick question, just curious. I don't know the answer.
Why do you think Jesus changed Simon's name to Cephas?
Why do you think Jesus gave Simon the keys to the Kingdom?
He also gives a stone with a new name upon it dont you think? And no man cometh to the Father but "by ME" and what he opens no man shuts "setting" an open door (even as He is) before them.
Even Paul forgave in "the person of Christ" As ambassadors of Christ they stand in His "Stead"
And Peter says
2Peter 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Ever notice its a "ministered entrance"?