who is prophet Mohammad

[habibii zahra]

Why are you fighting so hard to prove your God? We respect your beliefs 100% here and don't want to argue with you.
We know not Islam here but only know the message of Christ.

trust me the message of Christ is the same as the message of Mohammad..
Mohammad invited us to worship one God so as Jesus Christ...prophet Mohammad invited us to believe in the Torah and the Bible so as Jesus Christ...prophet Mohammad pushes us to do good deeds and to be kind to people so as Jesus Christ...prophet Mohammad says there is no God but one...Jesus Christ says there is no God but one the almighty father..
see??? we are so much close to each other....differences are in the interpretation of the words of Jesus or the words of prophet Mohammad.

these are the teachings of prophet Mohammad regarding God:
"Worship Allah and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masakin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful;"(Nisaa 36)
But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."(al Maida 72)
And (remember) Ibrahim (Abraham) when he said to his people: "Worship Allah (Alone), and fear Him, that is better for you if you did but know.(Al Ankabout 16)

regarding the book of Jesus:
It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (Muhammad

) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).(Al Imran 3)
And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) , confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).(AL MAEDA 46)
(Remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al-Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' "(AL MAEDA 110)

DOING GOOD DEEDS:
And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise). Every time they will be provided with a fruit therefrom, they will say: "This is what we were provided with before," and they will be given things in resemblance (i.e. in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives), (having no menses, stools, urine, etc.) and they will abide therein forever (Al bakara 25)

 

[KWCrazy]

A false teacher cannot invite you to believe in Jesus and in Christianity and to believe in the torah and in the bible..don’t you think???

Why not?
It's easier to twist the truth than to invent and entirely new history.
You can believe in Jesus, but only as a prophet not the son of God, which negates much of what Jesus said. Much of Islam continues what was written in the Torah.

Prophet Mohammad didn’t deny the existence of Jesus nor his high status…yet he simply corrected the concept…Jesus is a manifestation of God and not a God

Corrupted, not corrected. Jesus IS the son of God and represents the only means of forgiveness for sin.

Mohammad came to free the slaves to be slaves only for God the one…he has no slave for him in his house..this is the first lie about the prophet

Here is the real story on which that excerpt is based:There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

Captured women were passed out like party favors to his men, some of whom were then passed along to others. This passage tells of Muhammad giving women as sex slaves to the three men who would become his successors, the future caliphs Umar, Uthman and Ali:

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878)
Allah gave Muslim men a divine mandate to keep as many sex slaves as they wished (Quran 4:24,33:52…).
source

I look at the life of prophet Mohammad and I didn’t saw but kindness and mercy…he invited us to be kind to Christians and jews and not to kill them

I've read those verses, as well as the ones which call for killing Christians and Jews.

Prophet Mohammad promised the sinful if they repent to enter to paradise..

Jesus said unless a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

“Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind” is this a call of terror and killing or a call of mercy against killing each other??

Not that one, but this one is.
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage is critical of those Muslims who do not enjoin the violence. It lets them know that they are of lesser value in Allah's eyes. It also affirms that Jihad means "holy war" not a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.
source

I personally as a Muslim cannot find any difference between the teaching of Jesus and that of Mohammad.

Sadly, I believe that.

No you have understood it wrongly….the mother of virgin Mary wanted to bring a man to be aservant of God yet she gave birth of Virgin Mary a woman..

That makes more sense, thank you.
Mary's parents aren't mentioned in the Bible, and aren't mentioned anywhere prior to the 2nd century.

a false prophet is the one who mentions the miracles of JESUS??? This verse shows that Jesus used to create birds out of clay..this is a miracle of Jesus..is this a flase information??? A false prophet transmit the miracles of Jesus??

It never happened.
It was made up over 100 years later. Christ's first miracle was at the feast at Cana.

Is this the message of a false prophet or a true one?

False. Good deeds won't get you to Heaven. There are none righteous.
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness from sin. Christs blood was shed for the sins of mankind. Only through Him can anyone be saved.

Is this can be a follower of lustful desires?? Or an organized plan for being good and righteous people???

Absolutely.
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Muntathir: on the authority of his father that he had asked 'Aisha about the saying of Ibn 'Umar (i.e. he did not like to be a Muhrim while the smell of scent was still coming from his body). 'Aisha said, "I scented Allah's Apostle and he went round (had sexual intercourse with) all his wives, and in the morning he was Muhrim (after taking a bath)." Volume 1, Book 5, Number 270.

Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234 Narrated Aisha: the prophet engaged (married) me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, um ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some ansari women who said, "best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. source

Sounds like a lustful person to me.

 

[Arthra]

What you describe is an unjustifiable war crime, a genocide, the first of many committed under the banner of Islam. Following in their footsteps, Christians of North Africa, the Syriacs killed by Tamerlane, the Syriacs killed by the Turks, also the Armenians, the Pontic Greeks, and now the Copts, the Antiochians, the Assyrians of the Nineveh plain, the Suroye, and also outside of Christianity, the Yazidis, the Yarsanis, the Kalashas of Kafiristan in Afghanistan and Pakistan, your own Bahais...

Thanks for your post Paul... I believe the article I posted above is accurate. Laying all these references to future situations has more to do with others rulers and events... Bahá'ís believe the Quran is a Holy Book and accept Muhammad as a Prophet. We do not believe everything done in the name of Islam is based on the spiritual teachings of the Prophet anymore than many Christians accept that actions done in the name of Christianity are truly Christian.

 

[Arthra]

Well it still seems we have trouble keeping on topic here... which is the life of Prophet Muhammad.

There's a site I like very much that summarizes it pretty well:

Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet . Life of Muhammad: HTML Timeline | PBS

Beautiful graphics and a fair treatment.

 

[habibii zahra]

Why not?
It's easier to twist the truth than to invent and entirely new history.
You can believe in Jesus, but only as a prophet not the son of God, which negates much of what Jesus said. Much of Islam continues what was written in the Torah.

Corrupted, not corrected. Jesus IS the son of God and represents the only means of forgiveness for sin.

Here is the real story on which that excerpt is based:There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

Captured women were passed out like party favors to his men, some of whom were then passed along to others. This passage tells of Muhammad giving women as sex slaves to the three men who would become his successors, the future caliphs Umar, Uthman and Ali:

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878)
Allah gave Muslim men a divine mandate to keep as many sex slaves as they wished (Quran 4:24,33:52…).
source

I've read those verses, as well as the ones which call for killing Christians and Jews.

Jesus said unless a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Not that one, but this one is.
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage is critical of those Muslims who do not enjoin the violence. It lets them know that they are of lesser value in Allah's eyes. It also affirms that Jihad means "holy war" not a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.
source

Sadly, I believe that.

That makes more sense, thank you.
Mary's parents aren't mentioned in the Bible, and aren't mentioned anywhere prior to the 2nd century.

It never happened.
It was made up over 100 years later. Christ's first miracle was at the feast at Cana.

False. Good deeds won't get you to Heaven. There are none righteous.
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness from sin. Christs blood was shed for the sins of mankind. Only through Him can anyone be saved.

Absolutely.
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Muntathir: on the authority of his father that he had asked 'Aisha about the saying of Ibn 'Umar (i.e. he did not like to be a Muhrim while the smell of scent was still coming from his body). 'Aisha said, "I scented Allah's Apostle and he went round (had sexual intercourse with) all his wives, and in the morning he was Muhrim (after taking a bath)." Volume 1, Book 5, Number 270.

Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234 Narrated Aisha: the prophet engaged (married) me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, um ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some ansari women who said, "best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. source

Sounds like a lustful person to me.

Probably he said to the man sell me your slave to free him and not to become his own slave

You should know that not all stories in the books of Muslims are right..there are lots of false stories

I will tell you again these verses are not talking about Christians and jews ..calling to fight (Jihad) is to defend ourselves and our home lands …if someone came to attack you in your hometown you are obliged to fight him

For us the first miracle was when he talked while he was still a suckling baby..do you mean by that we believe in the miracles of Jesus more than you do??

All the stories related by Aisha are wrong…I want you to understand there are differences between the Shia sect and the Sunni…As a Shia we do not believe in the stories narrated by Aisha Omar or by the sources you have come with…

One more information, prophet Mohammad didn’t make a sexual relation with Aisha ever …these are the sources of Shia school of thought

I am wondering those Quran verses that you came with..do they call to fight jews and Christians?? Or do they call for fighting in the way of God??? In the name of God means to defend our religion and our home lands. And not to kill innocent people….

Jihad killing and shedding blood started before Muslims ..the crusades did it..British people made lots of massacres to take Britain from its own native people…israelis are doing massacres in Palestine in the name of the torah…why do you accept all these wars and you only blame Muslims with terrorism??? Is Moses a terrorist false prophet???? Why Israelis are killing Palestinians in the name of Judaism???

((Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.
source))

You have missed a phrase..”until the war ends” which means that the call of islam to fight is when there is a war launched upon you…

Are you pleased if there is a war against Muslims to stay inactive and to not defend themselves thus they will become peaceful in your eyes??

When someone fights you you should fight him..this is not terrorism this is self defence

the prophet who shows a good moral and invite Muslims to follow it cannot be a follower of lustful desires..another idea, islam has come to free slaves do you know why??? we believe that slavery is for God only and not for humans...ALLAH or God is the only one whom we should be slaves of and not for humans and this is the teaching of the prophet

 

[victorinus]

All those terrorists have nothing to do with the prophet Mohammad ..

why don't you help us expose them?

 

[habibii zahra]

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage is critical of those Muslims who do not enjoin the violence. It lets them know that they are of lesser value in Allah's eyes. It also affirms that Jihad means "holy war" not a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.
source
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Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

The following verse is: “So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them”

Thus the invitation to fight is for those who fights you and not Christians and Jews.

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage is critical of those Muslims who do not enjoin the violence. It lets them know that they are of lesser value in Allah's eyes. It also affirms that Jihad means "holy war" not a spiritual struggle

Can you explain for me this verse??? What do you find in it??? ALLAH or God honors people who fights for a cause..is that wrong?? Fighting for your home land is not a holy war??? You are much familiar with holy wars
the last verse I've answered you about it in the past reply

 

[habibii zahra]

why don't you help us expose them?

I am very ready to do so...in my home land terrorists are attacking us while we are muslims.....thus do you think that these are the teachings of our prophet?? no..they are attacking us..thus it is not about religion it is about being brain washed with evil ideas that can never be the teachings of the prophet...our prophet calls for kindness and mercy and not for killing people
this is the teaching of Prophet Mohammad:
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind

 

[KWCrazy]

History of slavery in the Muslim world - Wikipedia

For us the first miracle was when he talked while he was still a suckling baby..do you mean by that we believe in the miracles of Jesus more than you do??

You believe in things which never happened, written long after Christ returned to the Father to offer the curious some explanation of His early life of which nothing had been written. It was known to be false when it was written, which is why the church rejected it.

All the stories related by Aisha are wrong…I want you to understand there are differences between the Shia sect and the Sunni…As a Shia we do not believe in the stories narrated by Aisha Omar or by the sources you have come with…

Which is exactly as I suspect of most Muslims; that they pick and choose what they want to believe. We have the same thing, which is why so many Christians accept evolution and reject the clear teaching of the Bible. I have no doubt that you are a good person with a good heart, which is why you reject the latter teaching of Mohammed that got increasingly violent and evil. The problem is, you've been told a tale which is not true. Mohammed the man never lived up to anything he wrote in hi earlier life.

One more information, prophet Mohammad didn’t make a sexual relation with Aisha ever …these are the sources of Shia school of thought

You don't seriously believe that a man with 13 wives wouldn't be bedding the youngest more than any other, do you? Aisha writes about having sex with Mohammed while he still had the scent of other women. What's so hard to understand? The fact is the virgin Mary married Joseph and had other children through the normal procedure. That didn't make her any less a virgin when Christ was born.

…israelis are doing massacres in Palestine in the name of the torah…

I'm sorry, but that's an out and out lie.
If the Palestinians laid down their weapons there would be peace. It the Israelis did they would be massacred. Israel is a lone democracy surrounded by violent Islamic states. When Egypt was secular there was some hope for peace. Now? It seems that peace will lie only on the far side of war. The Islamic states are dedicated to the destruction of Israel; a nuclear power protected by the US. How do you think that will end? Until the Islamic states agree to live in peace there will be no peace.

why do you accept all these wars and you only blame Muslims with terrorism???

Who said I accepted all the wars?
The fact is most terrorists are Muslims.
Most of our military actions since Vietnam have been to protect Muslims from other Muslims.
Muslims brought terrorism to our shores, not Catholics.
Israel shows too much restraint. If it were up to me, I'd make a pronouncement of peace. If the Palestinians again attacked, I would launch a full scale assault and eliminated them. If they do not wish to peacefully co-exist, then why should they exist at all?

((Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.
source))

You have missed a phrase..”until the war ends” which means that the call of islam to fight is when there is a war launched upon you…

The problem is, nobody launched war on you. All aggression has come from the Muslims. To this day Islamic states are calling for the destruction of Israel. Why? Because they are Jews and Muslims are taught to hate Jews. I'll believe Muslims want peace when Islamic states call for the peaceful co-existence with their neighbors. I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

the prophet who shows a good moral and invite Muslims to follow it cannot be a follower of lustful desires

Know of any?

islam has come to free slaves do you know why??? we believe that slavery is for God only and not for humans...ALLAH or God is the only one whom we should be slaves of and not for humans and this is the teaching of the prophet

So please explain the Arab Slave Trade.
Two rough estimates by scholars of the number of slaves held over twelve centuries in Muslim lands are 11.5 million and 14 million...
Because internal growth of the slave population was not enough to fulfill the demand in Muslim society, massive numbers of non-Muslim slaves were imported, resulting in enormous suffering and loss of life from their capture and transportation...
Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970, and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.[However, slavery claiming the sanction of Islam is documented presently in the predominantly Islamic countries of Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali, and Sudan.] source
Recently the Islamic State captured 200 girls to be sold as sex slaves throughout the Middle East. Slavery remains a part of Islam to this day. There is no denying it.

 

[victorinus]

I am very ready to do so...

not asking if you are ready
-
asking why you and others are not helping us
-
we know some are
-but-
most are not

 

[KWCrazy]

not asking if you are ready
asking why you and others are not helping us
we know some are
-but-
most are not

Exactly.
Why hasn't the Islamic community risen up and condemned the terrorists?
Why haven't the imams preaching for jihad excommunicated for heresy?
Either islam is the religion of terrorism or it is not, and so far it's acted as if it is.
Either Muslims support terrorism or they do not, and so far it seems like they do.
A tree is known by its fruit, and so far the fruit of Islam has been murder, rape, slavery and terrorism.

 

[habibii zahra]

History of slavery in the Muslim world - Wikipedia
You believe in things which never happened, written long after Christ returned to the Father to offer the curious some explanation of His early life of which nothing had been written. It was known to be false when it was written, which is why the church rejected it.

Which is exactly as I suspect of most Muslims; that they pick and choose what they want to believe. We have the same thing, which is why so many Christians accept evolution and reject the clear teaching of the Bible. I have no doubt that you are a good person with a good heart, which is why you reject the latter teaching of Mohammed that got increasingly violent and evil. The problem is, you've been told a tale which is not true. Mohammed the man never lived up to anything he wrote in hi earlier life.

You don't seriously believe that a man with 13 wives wouldn't be bedding the youngest more than any other, do you? Aisha writes about having sex with Mohammed while he still had the scent of other women. What's so hard to understand? The fact is the virgin Mary married Joseph and had other children through the normal procedure. That didn't make her any less a virgin when Christ was born.

I'm sorry, but that's an out and out lie.
If the Palestinians laid down their weapons there would be peace. It the Israelis did they would be massacred. Israel is a lone democracy surrounded by violent Islamic states. When Egypt was secular there was some hope for peace. Now? It seems that peace will lie only on the far side of war. The Islamic states are dedicated to the destruction of Israel; a nuclear power protected by the US. How do you think that will end? Until the Islamic states agree to live in peace there will be no peace.

Who said I accepted all the wars?
The fact is most terrorists are Muslims.
Most of our military actions since Vietnam have been to protect Muslims from other Muslims.
Muslims brought terrorism to our shores, not Catholics.
Israel shows too much restraint. If it were up to me, I'd make a pronouncement of peace. If the Palestinians again attacked, I would launch a full scale assault and eliminated them. If they do not wish to peacefully co-exist, then why should they exist at all?

The problem is, nobody launched war on you. All aggression has come from the Muslims. To this day Islamic states are calling for the destruction of Israel. Why? Because they are Jews and Muslims are taught to hate Jews. I'll believe Muslims want peace when Islamic states call for the peaceful co-existence with their neighbors. I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

Know of any?

So please explain the Arab Slave Trade.
Two rough estimates by scholars of the number of slaves held over twelve centuries in Muslim lands are 11.5 million and 14 million...
Because internal growth of the slave population was not enough to fulfill the demand in Muslim society, massive numbers of non-Muslim slaves were imported, resulting in enormous suffering and loss of life from their capture and transportation...
Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970, and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.[However, slavery claiming the sanction of Islam is documented presently in the predominantly Islamic countries of Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali, and Sudan.] source
Recently the Islamic State captured 200 girls to be sold as sex slaves throughout the Middle East. Slavery remains a part of Islam to this day. There is no denying it.

I am a kind person because my prophet Mohammad asked me to be..i do not reject anything I have simply told you that these invitation of fight are not terrorism..my prophet’s teachings are not evil nor violent..my prophet simply asked us to fight when it comes to self defence…these verses of the QURAN pushes us to fight when people are fighting us, people hurting us our religion and our home land ..is this violence and evil????

I repeat again.. we Shia Muslims do not believe in those stories related by liar people…and we reject the books wherein it was written..is that clear???

The prophet didn’t make any sexual relation with Aisha and this story is very wrong from a wrong biazed book of our Sunni brothers.

Aren’t you seeing killing and abusing people in Palestine??? Israelis are peaceful and Palestinian are terrorists? For whom is this land?? This land was for both Palestinians and Jews living peacefully but after the first or second world war in the promise of Belfore they came to settle a home town for the jews in palestine…people are killed today…children and women are killed by the Israeli army…the little boy who holds a stone to throw it on the Israeli armies is terrorist and the israelian army armed to the feet are peaceful???

So tell me why Israel was launching a war in Lebanon..is that self defence????? They killed more than 1500 victims…this is the peace of the Torah??? This is the teaching of Jesus??? The peaceful son who died for our sins??

Terrorists are not Muslims they are infidels

So Muslims brought terrorism not the crusades not the british who killed the native citizens and made genocides not America who killed the indian native citizens of America..not britian who brought Israel into the Arab world..only Muslims…you made me laugh really

Palestinians are defending their country …when there was a land of Israel before the world wars???

Palestine existed ever jews and muslims peacefully..the Israelites came later to rub this land from Palestinians

No body launched a war?? Not even the church against Muslims??? Not even Israelites? We are calling to the destruction of Israel not because we hate jews..i myself don’t have any problem with the jews I have a problem with the Israelites who are attacking us all the time..i do not hate jews but I hate those who came to steal our land

Israel attacked my country Lebanon in 2006…so do you consider me a terrorist if I defend my land?? Are you asking me to stay inactive and to leave my home for the attack of Israel??

Is hitler a muslim??? Didn’t he made a massacre regarding the jews??? Is he a western or an eastern leader??

See not Muslims who are terrorist and aggressive…terror is from Muslims?? Tell me what is the number of victims in Iraq since America invaded it…


Prophet Mohammad calling us to do good deeds:

And those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, they are dwellers of Paradise, they will dwell therein forever

And by the Mercy of Allah, you dealt with them gently. And had you been severe and harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about you; so pass over (their faults), and ask (Allah's) Forgiveness for them; and consult them in the affairs. Then when you have taken a decision, put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).

“they asked the prophet: what makes the human enter paradise: he said: fearing God and the good morals”

. And Allah loves As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.). (patience is not a good moral)

Allah loves those who act justly. (justice is not a good moral)

Prophet Mohammad said: ALLAH loves much of his servants those who have more good morals

There is nothing weighty in the scales more than the good morals

Want more???
prophet Mohammad pushes us to be dutiful to our parents...to have mercy upon people and much and much more

Probably slavery is linked to the Arabic tradition and not the religion of the Arabs…before islam they used to have slave and enslaving people…after islam they kept doing that but it is not because of islam encouraging them to do so. It is because their Arab traditions encourage them to do so….

Thus slavery is not an Islamic tradition..slavery is an Arabic tradition that is why you find Islamic states still believing in slavery and not because of religion



One last note: do you remember the discrimination of black people in America..you say slavery is from islam and violence as well….do you remember the hate and the discrimination that happened to black people from Christian Americans?? Were they muslims? No were they Christians? Yes…thus can I call you religion a false violent terrorist religion and Jesus a violent teacher?

 

[habibii zahra]

Exactly.
Why hasn't the Islamic community risen up and condemned the terrorists?
Why haven't the imams preaching for jihad excommunicated for heresy?
Either islam is the religion of terrorism or it is not, and so far it's acted as if it is.
Either Muslims support terrorism or they do not, and so far it seems like they do.
A tree is known by its fruit, and so far the fruit of Islam has been murder, rape, slavery and terrorism.

they are doing so but your channels don't show you the real call of those peaceful leaders
the imams who do not condemn terrorism are doing against the teaching of our prophet
if islam is a religion of terrorism than Christianity and Judaism are so because thet both killed in the name of religion...if all Muslims are terrorists then you are by yourself a terrorist because there is some Christians who used to call for killing and you were unable to do anything...
the fruit of Christianity leads to the discrimination of a whole community of black people and to kill billions of Muslims by the crusades..the fruit is murder discrimination and other..do you accept that? is this true about your religion??

 

[Thursday]

Mohammad is near God alive....
the simple idea that Jesus is the begotten son of god is denied by our religion unless if you mean by son the servant or the closer being to God or the manifestation of God since god isn't in need of a child. he is not a human to get married and gives birth to a child...this is logically and theologically impossible..
didn't you saw the links that shows prophet Mohammad mentioned in the bible?
i am here to makes things closer...to explain the islamic doctrine for you...to let you know that our god and yours is one unique and to explain the details for you and to let you know why we deny the idea that Jesus was a son of god..Prophet Mohammad invited us to believe in the Christ but not as a son of god, as a manifestation of his mercy
((the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father))
here is the bible mentionning the mighty god who is the everlasting father the god of jesus and jesus worships him isn't that a sign from Jesus to invite you to worship the mighty god the one????

Do you believe that God could become man if he wanted to?

 

[habibii zahra]

not asking if you are ready
-
asking why you and others are not helping us
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we know some are
-but-
most are not

this is the fact of all religions a group applies the right doctrines and a group doesn't do that this was the case of Judaism Christianity and now Islam

 

[Goatee]

Its a shame that when people think of terrorism they think of Muslim and when people think of muslim they think of terrorism!

 

[victorinus]

this is the fact of all religions a group applies the right doctrines and a group doesn't do that this was the case of Judaism Christianity and now Islam

we have to fight terrorism
-and-
your people are going to get hurt
-so-
helping us will make it better

 

[Uber Genius]

Thanks for your post Paul... I believe the article I posted above is accurate. Laying all these references to future situations has more to do with others rulers and events... Bahá'ís believe the Quran is a Holy Book and accept Muhammad as a Prophet. We do not believe everything done in the name of Islam is based on the spiritual teachings of the Prophet anymore than many Christians accept that actions done in the name of Christianity are truly Christian.

The difference being that one can examine the context and application of both the NT and the Quran. When doing so one finds a call to self-sacrifice, and forgiving enemies, loving neighbors who believe differently, as demonstrated by Jesus in his ministry, his death on the cross, and his resurrection.

The Quran paints a different story altogether. With abrogation in the Medinan Quran, we find 29 calls to Jihad in the first 10 seras alone. We find calls to wipe out (genocide) entire villages. We find the call to make people submit at the point of the sword.

We find an uneducated Muhammed with multiple wives having one at the age of 9.

Now one can go the route the RCC has gone and suggest that Islam started there but has changed it traditions and evolved into a "religion of peace," due to the jurists.

I'm not opposed to that approach, but it is not the one you have chosen. And the only way to analogize the NT and the Quran is if one's audience is ignorant of one or both texts.

 

[Arthra]

Thanks again Paul for your post... If you don't mind my saying this I very very sad about your perspective on Prophet Muhammad... also I would urge you to study the Qur'an more deeply as the revelation of the Qur'an occurred in a much different way than the New Testament. The original words of Jesus were in Aramaic and were later translated into Koine Greek a very different language. Also the NT was compiled and finally canonized quite a long time after Jesus lived. But the allegations brought against Prophet Muhammad I have already addressed on this thread so please review them.

Art

 

[Arthra]

I came across a rather interesting account from the life of Prophet Muhammad that I think deserves a place on this thread especially for those who have been given negative impressions of the Prophet:

"When he arrived at an assembly, he would sit wherever there was empty space and would tell the Companions to do the same. He would give his share to everyone sitting with him. Nobody sitting with him could draw the conclusion that there was anyone superior than himself in the Prophet's sight. The Prophet would be patient with anyone who sat with him or came to him with a need, and he would be the one to leave the Prophet. Whoever needed anything from the Prophet would have his need met by him or be sent away with pleasant words. His smiling face and proper moral values enriched those people."(Yusuf Kandahlawi, Hayat al-Sahaba (Life of the Companions), vol. 1, Sentez Nesriyat, p. 28)