Who is Melchizedek

[Jan001]

Agreed.
But it wasn't Shem.

We don't currently have any way of knowing for sure who Melchizedek was.

 

[Strong in Him]

We don't currently have any way of knowing for sure who Melchizedek was.

No, but the verse "without genealogy" is a clue. We have Shem's genealogy and he wouldn't have been around when Abram was even born, never mind when he was 75.

 

[Jan001]

No, but the verse "without genealogy" is a clue. We have Shem's genealogy and he wouldn't have been around when Abram was even born, never mind when he was 75.

Or else this is a Semitic, embellished manner of writing to tell us that the author personally did not know who Melchizedek's father was.
I still have not seen the math to show that it is impossible for Shem to be Melchizedek.

 

[Apple Sky]

It's obvious that Melchizedek did have a biological mom and dad, he has an ancestry of some kind.

Maybe my story on the opening post is true & Shem was Noah's Nephew who he adopted, after all Shem's linage includes Jesus.

In the story Melchizedek was supposed to live in paradise for ever.

 

[Strong in Him]

I still have not seen the math to show that it is impossible for Shem to be Melchizedek.

I have given you the reference and the Bible tells us the rest. If you can't work it out, use a calculator.
Shem's son, Arphaxad, lived for 403 years after his son Shelah was born. Shelah lived 403 years after Eber - Shem's grandson - was born. Eber lived 430 years after his son was born, and so on. Like I said, I'm not working it out for you.

 

[Jan001]

I have given you the reference and the Bible tells us the rest. If you can't work it out, use a calculator.
Shem's son, Arphaxad, lived for 403 years after his son Shelah was born. Shelah lived 403 years after Eber - Shem's grandson - was born. Eber lived 430 years after his son was born, and so on. Like I said, I'm not working it out for you.

Yes, you told me this already.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes, you told me this already.

And you replied, saying "I haven't seen the maths ".
You've got the Bible reference - read it and work it out.

 

[Jan001]

And you replied, saying "I haven't seen the maths ".
You've got the Bible reference - read it and work it out.

You were the one saying it was impossible. If you want to prove you are correct, you work out the math; otherwise, you have nothing more to add to this conversation. I was just speculating. If someone wants to disprove my theory as impossible, it is up to him or her to do the math.

 

[Apple Sky]

No, but the verse "without genealogy" is a clue. We have Shem's genealogy and he wouldn't have been around when Abram was even born, never mind when he was 75.

Like I said earlier;

Maybe my story on the opening post is true & Shem (Melchizedek) was Noah's Nephew who he adopted, after all Shem's linage includes Jesus.

In the story Melchizedek was supposed to live in paradise for ever.

 

[Strong in Him]

You were the one saying it was impossible. If you want to prove you are correct, you work out the math; otherwise, you have nothing more to add to this conversation. I was just speculating. If someone wants to disprove my theory as impossible, it is up to him or her to do the math.

You made the claim that Shem was Melchizedek in the first place. I showed you evidence that he couldn't be and you replied "maybe ".

Arphaxad lived for 403 years after the birth of his son. His son lived for 403 years after the birth of HIS son, and there were 5 or 6 generations after that, before Abram was born.
This is all in the reference I gave you. If you haven't read it or can't work out that 403 +403+ all the other years is more than 500, I don't see what else I can do.

 

[Jan001]

You made the claim that Shem was Melchizedek in the first place. I showed you evidence that he couldn't be and you replied "maybe ".

Arphaxad lived for 403 years after the birth of his son. His son lived for 403 years after the birth of HIS son, and there were 5 or 6 generations after that, before Abram was born.
This is all in the reference I gave you. If you haven't read it or can't work out that 403 +403+ all the other years is more than 500, I don't see what else I can do.

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Shem at Abraham's Birth​

Introduction to Shem and Abraham: Shem was one of the sons of Noah, and Abraham was his descendant. The age of Shem when Abraham was born can be calculated based on the information provided about their lives and the lives of their ancestors.​

• Shem’s Age at Abraham’s Birth: According to the provided information, Shem was 100 years old when Arphaxad, his son, was born, and he lived for another 500 years after this, making his age at death 600 years. Additionally, it is mentioned that Shem would have been alive to know Abraham and that Abraham was born when Shem was 390 years old, and his father Noah was 893 years old.
• Calculation of Shem’s Age: Another calculation suggests that if Terah became the father of three sons between the age of 70 to 130, then Shem must have been 450 years of age when Abram (Abraham) was born. However, the most direct information states that Shem was 390 years old when Abraham was born.
• Conclusion: Based on the information provided, Shem was 390 years old when Abraham was born.

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[Apple Sky]

According to the Brave browser's AI:

Shem at Abraham's Birth​

Introduction to Shem and Abraham: Shem was one of the sons of Noah, and Abraham was his descendant. The age of Shem when Abraham was born can be calculated based on the information provided about their lives and the lives of their ancestors.​

• Shem’s Age at Abraham’s Birth: According to the provided information, Shem was 100 years old when Arphaxad, his son, was born, and he lived for another 500 years after this, making his age at death 600 years. Additionally, it is mentioned that Shem would have been alive to know Abraham and that Abraham was born when Shem was 390 years old, and his father Noah was 893 years old.
• Calculation of Shem’s Age: Another calculation suggests that if Terah became the father of three sons between the age of 70 to 130, then Shem must have been 450 years of age when Abram (Abraham) was born. However, the most direct information states that Shem was 390 years old when Abraham was born.
• Conclusion: Based on the information provided, Shem was 390 years old when Abraham was born.

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So Shem could be Melchizedek ???

 

[Jan001]

So Shem could be Melchizedek ???

Your guess is as good as mine.

Is anything impossible for God? I think Sarah conceived Isaac at about 90 years of age. A virgin bore the redeemer of the world.

Luke 1:37 For nothing will be impossible with God.”

 

[Diamond72]

Is anything impossible for God?

LOTS of things are impossible for God. He cannot lie, cheat, steal and so on. He is always faithful and true.

 

[Apple Sky]

LOTS of things are impossible for God. He cannot lie, cheat, steal and so on. He is always faithful and true.

I agree, if God wants to lie he uses a lying spirit.

God chose to use the false prophets to carry out His plan. When God asked for volunteers to “entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there” (1 Kings 22:20), a spirit (fallen angel/demon) said he would be a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets. God gave the spirit permission to proceed, and Ahab received the message he desired.

 

[Diamond72]

God chose to use the false prophets to carry out His plan.

All things work together for good. We are told this is the permissive will of God, not the perfect divine will of God. Still when we pray it makes more sense to find out what God wants to do in our life. So we ask for what He wants to give us.

 

[Apple Sky]

So we ask for what He wants to give us.

I agree, I never looked at this way as it can only be for our best.

 

[Strong in Him]

Your guess is as good as mine.

That's because you don't accept the verse in Hebrews which says that Melchizedek is without genealogy.

 

[Diamond72]

as it can only be for our best.

Yes, God know what is best for us better than we do.

 

[The Liturgist]

But in Hebrews 7:3 it reads , Without father , without mother , without genealogy , having no beginning of days , nor end of

of life , means it is CHRIST !!

dan p

We are given the genealogy of Jesus Christ, who is fully human and fully God, so that’s one reason to doubt St. Melchizedek was a Theophany, a pre-incarnation appearance of Christ, such as those experienced by St. Moses the Prophet.

Now I myself unlike my friend @ViaCrucis take the view that its possible that Melchizedek was a Theophany, but on the other hand since everything in the Old Testament is typological prophecy and the author of Hebrews was simply pointing out a particularly important example of typological prophecy, of a type of Christ, the danger is we could ne led to glossing over other people in the OT who were also typologically prophetic of Christ (which is a very long list, ranging from the Isaac being chosen as a sacrificial victim to Jonas spending three days in the belly of a whale before being ejected and thus returning, indecorously but intact, to the land of the living).

There is another important typological prophecy with Melchizedek which makes his Christological-typological character clear, that being the Eucharistic character of his ministry, which alomg with the shewbread and libations in the Temple is among the many OT prophecies of the Eucharist.

It could be that Melchizedek while not Christ was intended to be in persona Christi, like the Pastor of a Christian church where the Sacrament of Holy Communion is celebrated and the Real Presence acknowledged.