Who is going in the rapture ????!!

[Douggg]

Absolute unbelievable rubbish.
This sci-fi belief of going to live in heaven and returning with Christ, is a fable that can never happen.
Even just thinking it could be possible, demonstrates a serious lack of Bible understanding and of our role in God's Plan for mankind.

In no way does Jesus destroy the world when He Returns. He comes to rule over it.

2Corinthains12:

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ; )

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


He was not taken to New Zealand, keras.

 

[Ceallaigh]

What scripture makes clear is that life is very short and that we pass away very quickly. That's the one absolute certainty that we need to be prepared for. Thousands of people who thought all about the rapture and the tribulation, have long since had their lives required of them. Your "rapture" could come at any second by way of heart attack or stoke or aneurysm or accident etc.

 

[Postvieww]

2Corinthains12:

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ; )

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


He wan not taken to New Zealand, keras.

Paul wasn’t even sure if he was in the body or not . But Paul absolutely did not go to heaven to live. He came back to finish his ministry and later physically died.

 

[Douggg]

Paul wasn’t even sure if he was in the body or not . But Paul absolutely did not go to heaven to live. He came back to finish his ministry and later physically died.

The point is that he went to the third heaven - which contradicts keras's view is that humans cannot go there.

 

[Postvieww]

The point is that he went to the third heaven - which contradicts keras's view is that humans cannot go there.

Yes we agree Paul went to heaven , we also probably agree that when the Christian dies the spirit goes to heaven. But we disagree on a return trip for resurrected believers. It appears I am the middle man here agreeing with both you and Keras on some issues and disagreeing with both on others. But then again all three of us may be considered the middle man. Do you really believe anyone of us has this 100% correct? I doubt it but we all probably believe we do . I do appreciate debate with you and I never intend to make it personal. If I slip on that call me out. God Bless

 

[keras]

The point is that he went to the third heaven - which contradicts keras's view is that humans cannot go there.

So did John; Revelation 4:1. But they never went to live in heaven, just an individual and spiritual experience, that cannot be taken as proof for a general removal of the Church to heaven. That belief is wrong and makes your entire end times beliefs hopelessly in error.

Postview, I do not make my replies personal. But I do my best to fight against the wrong beliefs that people promote.
Douggg and I have battelled out these issues for years now. He is a very tolerant man, also a very intransigent one!

The basic problem that the believers in a 'rapture to heaven' have, is they are telling God what they want Him to do for them. Instead of saying: Lord, not my will but yours be done.

 

[ViaCrucis]

For many years the fear of "missing the rapture" has been used as a tool of evangelism.

That's not evangelism. That's called scare tactics.

For it to be evangelism it has to involve the Evangel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[SavedByGrace3]

That's not evangelism. That's called scare tactics.

For it to be evangelism it has to involve the Evangel.

-CryptoLutheran

I know God draws men to Him. But I do not think He uses fear to do it. It would seem fear drives people away.