Who goes to hell?

[Timothew]

Interesting point. A lot of folks are dead and don't know it.

The bible talks about real death, and really being raised again to life.

While he was saying these things to them, behold, a ruler came in and knelt before him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay your hand on her, and she will live.” And Jesus rose and followed him, with his disciples.

And when Jesus came to the ruler’s house and saw the flute players and the crowd making a commotion, he said, “Go away, for the girl is not dead but sleeping.” And they laughed at him. But when the crowd had been put outside, he went in and took her by the hand, and the girl arose. And the report of this went through all that district.
Matthew 9:18-19 and 23-26

If people are dead and don't know it, it's because they are dead and don't know anything.
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecclesiastes 9:5

 

[he-man]

Everyone who sinned died. That includes you and me. But not Jesus.

Huh? he was cut off out of the land of the living: in his death he made his grave with the wicked,

Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Mr 9:31 For he taught his disciples,and said, "The Son of Man is to be handed over into the hands of men, and they will brutalize him. And having been killed, after three days he will stand up."

Mr 12:7 But those husbandmen said to themselves, This is the heir; come, we may kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
8 "And having taken, they killed him and threw him outside the vineyard.

 

[strangertoo]

Consider what happened to Jesus after he was brought back to life in the flesh:-

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Very significantly Jesus did not die a second death after his resurrection to the flesh , but was eventually 'taken' by God, alive, from this life , in translation, comparable to Enoch who did not even die once :-

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[strangertoo]

... few find the narrow way [of obedient love] to God in this life [Matt 7:14] whilst the many are destroyed [Matt 7:13] for their unlovingness [sin, disobedience to God's law of love]

... yet Jesus says countless MANY of all nations are later saved [Rev 7:9-10] ... so after destruction of their bodies and this earth and heavens

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

this is Jesus' revelation not some doctrine of sinners ...

and Jesus also says all are released from hell and death , so there is no endless presence in hell , it is emptied and destroyed when God has no more use of death for men :-

Revelation 20:13 ... death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

... it has always seemed strange to me that so many SAY they believe in Jesus ,but ignore what he says in his revelation of the future whilst instead believing the words of sinners taught by sinners ...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

Jesus is then not the Lord of sinners , but of those who were sinners but who STOP sinning and freely choose to obey him as Lord and love instead of choosing to be sinning against others ...

sin is not loving, one cannot serve BOTH Jesus and the devil...

Mark 12:31 ... Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Thus we see that salvation is by means of becoming loving, ceasing to sin, the very foundation of God :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

rationally then one cannot have a 'Christian sinner' because all who name Christ must stop sinning , yet there are supposedly over a billion sinners who say they are Christians ... the bible explains why in Jesus own words ...but we know that FEW will accept Jesus' words in this life [Matt 7:14] ...

how many ? :-

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten-thousands of his saints

[note that the word for 'tens of thousands' is one word in the original Hebrew of Enoch, this number of saints taken by Jesus must lie between 20,000 and 200,000 - Jesus reveals the actual number is 144,000 , Enoch shows this is literal, not 'symbolic' as claimed by some sinners - who cannot find any symbolic meaning to it anyway]

so 144,000 is the number of the FEW who find the narrow gateway of Jesus Christ in this life, who stop sinning and love, become worthy to be called saints BY God's choosing , not theirs...

their free choice was to love not sin, but God alone can judge them worthy of grace , unmerited forgiveness of past sins before they stopped ...

how many alive at any one time then? ... do the sums, it comes out at around two thousand saints on average alive at any one time [for the church of Christ's saints is never destroyed] ... so clearly theses have become saints and are evry few, the church of God is TINY i this earth and bears no comparison with the mass denominations of modern apostate religion of sinners predicted by Jesus [Rev 13:3-4]

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [of Jesus' return to take the few saints] shall not come, except there come a falling away first

 

[Sadalmelik]

Originally Posted by Sadalmelik

thanx tackattack, i guess we just disagree about whether or not its a big deal or not.....thats fine....i have to say, when i refer to eternal life, i am referring to being in the presence and "knowing' God, being immersed in His love and mercy, grace, and compassion.....so when i refer to eternal life, thats what im always referring to .....and the fact is,it is eternal in nature, to me, means it will never end, as scriture states it is....and i know being in His presence, i would not want it to end.....ever.
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(orig posted by tackattack)Careful. Someone could use your own arguement about forever not really meanng forever against your belief in Heaven. I personally think they're more polar opposites, whatever the attributes. If one is forever the other is forever.(quote)




false....

only those who like to make up their own meanings, take things out of context, and ignore what the rest of the bible says relating to this.

the bible is clear throughout, that the penalty for the wicked is death...it uses many different words to describe this, but thats what they all say, as i have already pointed out with numerous verses.....there is no where in the bible that says the unsaved will get eternal life, nowhere, there is also nowhere where it says the unsaved will receive immortality, as it says the saved will be given.....nowhere....so if you want to just take verses completely out of context of the bible, then you "might" have some ground with one or two verses, out of the entire bible......but when you dont ignore dozens and dozens of other verses relating to the fate of the saved and unsaved, it is as clear as can be. so i dont believe imo, that arguement holds even a drop of water


Obadiah 1
15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the nations.
As you have done, it shall be done to you;
your deeds shall return on your own head.
16 For as you have drunk on my holy mountain,
so all the nations shall drink continually;
they shall drink and swallow,
and shall be as though they had never been.


scripture is clear over and over regarding the fate of the unsaved.

 

[Sadalmelik]

John 11

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.[d] Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”



do you know of some similiar bible verse that says this same thing about the unrighteous? cause it isnt in my bible.

 

[Sadalmelik]

1 corinthians 15

51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”



where does it say this about the unsaved in the bible? that they put on immortality, is mine the only one that doesnt say it?......cause i havent seen anywhere in the bible where it says the unsaved will get the gift of immortality.....no where.

 

[Sadalmelik]

so if anyone has scripture refuting last 2 posts, please provide them, i would like to take a look at them, since i have never seen them before.

 

[Sadalmelik]

Matthew 25

46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

that punishment is death, as romans 6:23 states, which is eternal, death is death, which means you dont come back from it, unless your given the gift of eternal life, as the save recvd, as the bible states over and over and over and over again.


Romans 2
7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;


John 3
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE but the wrath of God remains on him.

Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.



the bible could not be more clear and consistent.

 

[he-man]

... few find the narrow way [of obedient love] to God in this life [Matt 7:14] whilst the many are destroyed [Matt 7:13] for their unlovingness [sin, disobedience to God's law of love]
... yet Jesus says countless MANY of all nations are later saved [Rev 7:9-10] ... so after destruction of their bodies and this earth and heavens

Many are called but FEW chosen!
Lu 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

This was spoken to the apostles but can also apply to you! You do not choose him, he must first choose you!
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

Isa 55:6 ¶ Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Showing the absolute
significance of the Calling and that few there will be that find it!
Mt 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Lu 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?

Nevertheless How can you answer if you are not a believer?
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

[tackattack]

Originally Posted by Sadalmelik

thanx tackattack, i guess we just disagree about whether or not its a big deal or not.....thats fine....i have to say, when i refer to eternal life, i am referring to being in the presence and "knowing' God, being immersed in His love and mercy, grace, and compassion.....so when i refer to eternal life, thats what im always referring to .....and the fact is,it is eternal in nature, to me, means it will never end, as scriture states it is....and i know being in His presence, i would not want it to end.....ever.
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(orig posted by tackattack)Careful. Someone could use your own arguement about forever not really meanng forever against your belief in Heaven. I personally think they're more polar opposites, whatever the attributes. If one is forever the other is forever.(quote)




false....

only those who like to make up their own meanings, take things out of context, and ignore what the rest of the bible says relating to this.

the bible is clear throughout, that the penalty for the wicked is death...it uses many different words to describe this, but thats what they all say, as i have already pointed out with numerous verses.....there is no where in the bible that says the unsaved will get eternal life, nowhere, there is also nowhere where it says the unsaved will receive immortality, as it says the saved will be given.....nowhere....so if you want to just take verses completely out of context of the bible, then you "might" have some ground with one or two verses, out of the entire bible......but when you dont ignore dozens and dozens of other verses relating to the fate of the saved and unsaved, it is as clear as can be. so i dont believe imo, that arguement holds even a drop of water


Obadiah 1
15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the nations.
As you have done, it shall be done to you;
your deeds shall return on your own head.
16 For as you have drunk on my holy mountain,
so all the nations shall drink continually;
they shall drink and swallow,
and shall be as though they had never been.


scripture is clear over and over regarding the fate of the unsaved.

What exactly is false? Your logic states if you look at 25:46 that the duration of these two states is the same, exactly the same Greek word being used in each case ( aionios ). Then if the state of punishment has an end, so has the life.

I agree that the Bible is consistant. I believe in eternal reward for the righteous and eternal punishment for the wicked. Seperation from God for eternity, via destrution, would logically and Spiritually saitisfy this for me. I was not disagreeing with your stance, just commenting that logically bothe the sinner and the saint have eternal ramifications for their choices. You can't deny this without denying Matt. 25:46, IMO

 

[Sadalmelik]

What exactly is false? Your logic states if you look at 25:46 that the duration of these two states is the same, exactly the same Greek word being used in each case ( aionios ). Then if the state of punishment has an end, so has the life.

I agree that the Bible is consistant. I believe in eternal reward for the righteous and eternal punishment for the wicked. Seperation from God for eternity, via destrution, would logically and Spiritually saitisfy this for me. I was not disagreeing with your stance, just commenting that logically bothe the sinner and the saint have eternal ramifications for their choices. You can't deny this without denying Matt. 25:46, IMO

well since you clarified that, i guess we agree, destruction/death is final and neverending, sorry, my comment was directed at anyone who holds the view that the unsaved will live forever consciously, as the whole of scripture states otherwise.....thanks tackattack for pointing out my error...apologize for any confusion....God bless.

 

[WillieH]

1 corinthians 15

51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”



where does it say this about the unsaved in the bible? that they put on immortality, is mine the only one that doesnt say it?......cause i havent seen anywhere in the bible where it says the unsaved will get the gift of immortality.....no where.

Hey bro... how you be?


At one time or another EVERYONE is "UNSAVED"... but ...IN DUE TIME, shall it be TESTIFIED that ALL are SAVED:

1 Tim 2:3-6 -- for this is good and acceptable in the sight of GOD our Savior... who WILL HAVE ALL MEN to be SAVED, and to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH... For there is one God and one mediator between God and [that same "ALL"] men, the man JESUS CHRIST... who gave Himself a RANSOM for ...ALL [again, same "ALL"]... to be TESTIFIED in DUE TIME...



If you read the earlier context -- 1 Cor 15:22 -- you will see that ALL DIE -- IN ADAM... (which is everyone in the human race) ...that same "ALL" shall be MADE ALIVE ...IN CHRIST.... did you get that bro? ...IN CHRIST.


Also... 6 verses later (in 1 Cor 15:28) it states that YHVH GOD shall be ALL in (that same) ALL...



SALVATION is NOT accomplished by ANYTHING that MAN does or even "can do" -- Eph 2:8-9 -- it is TOTALLY ACCOMPLISHED by the CROSS of JESUS CHRIST -- Col 1:20 -- WITHOUT "respect of persons" (partiality toward any man) -- Acts 10:34 -- Prov 28:21 -- Eph 6:9 -- Gal 2:6 -- 2 Sam 14:14 -- 1 Chron 19:7 -- Mark 12:14 -- Job 34:19 -- Rom 2:11 -- Col 3:25


No matter how many shall believe that THEY have "enabled GOD" to save them, via their own (unbibilcal) free will, ..."decision"... they shall be quite surprised and ashamed of that belief... upon His coming -- Matt 7:22-23



PEACE...

...willieH

 

[dollarsbill]

Huh? he was cut off out of the land of the living: in his death he made his grave with the wicked,

Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Mr 9:31 For he taught his disciples,and said, "The Son of Man is to be handed over into the hands of men, and they will brutalize him. And having been killed, after three days he will stand up."

Mr 12:7 But those husbandmen said to themselves, This is the heir; come, we may kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
8 "And having taken, they killed him and threw him outside the vineyard.

My comment "Everyone who sinned died. That includes you and me. But not Jesus." was about spiritual death, not physical death. We all were dead spiritually because we sinned. Not Jesus though.

 

[Timothew]

My comment "Everyone who sinned died. That includes you and me. But not Jesus." was about spiritual death, not physical death. We all were dead spiritually because we sinned. Not Jesus though.

Spiritual Death?
Physical Death?
What are you talking about?
These terms are not in my bible.
What sort of weird philosophy do you follow?

 

[strangertoo]

Spiritual Death?
Physical Death?
What are you talking about?
These terms are not in my bible.
What sort of weird philosophy do you follow?

indeed true to the scripture as a whole :-
Jesus showed us one is flesh and bones after resurrection, not a 'disembodied spirit' ...

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

thus the second death is just that, a second [mortal] death of the body
after some of the many whose life [soul] and body is destroyed in this life [Matt 7:13] are all resurrected from death and hell and fail yet again to love instead of sinning against one another ... but countless many of them are saved at judgement day [Rev 7;9-10] although destroyed in this life [Matt 7:13] ...

note that Jesus says all are freed from hell and the judgemnet of the many is on basis of works after death and resurrection [for the wages of sin are paid fully by death]

Revelation 20:13 and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

 

[dollarsbill]

Spiritual Death?

Are you not aware that sin causes spiritual death?

Genesis 2:17 (NASB)
17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Adam died spiritually the day he sinned, but not physically, as does everyone but Jesus. Have you not been born again?

Physical Death?
What are you talking about?
These terms are not in my bible.
What sort of weird philosophy do you follow?

You haven't been paying attention. Spiritual death caused by sin is clearly taught in the Bible.

1 Timothy 5:6 (NASB)
6 But she who gives herself to wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives.

Colossians 2:13 (NASB)
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,

Luke 15:24 (NASB)
24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate.

 

[Sadalmelik]

Hey bro... how you be?


At one time or another EVERYONE is "UNSAVED"... but ...IN DUE TIME, shall it be TESTIFIED that ALL are SAVED:

1 Tim 2:3-6 -- for this is good and acceptable in the sight of GOD our Savior... who WILL HAVE ALL MEN to be SAVED, and to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH... For there is one God and one mediator between God and [that same "ALL"] men, the man JESUS CHRIST... who gave Himself a RANSOM for ...ALL [again, same "ALL"]... to be TESTIFIED in DUE TIME...



If you read the earlier context -- 1 Cor 15:22 -- you will see that ALL DIE -- IN ADAM... (which is everyone in the human race) ...that same "ALL" shall be MADE ALIVE ...IN CHRIST.... did you get that bro? ...IN CHRIST.


Also... 6 verses later (in 1 Cor 15:28) it states that YHVH GOD shall be ALL in (that same) ALL...



SALVATION is NOT accomplished by ANYTHING that MAN does or even "can do" -- Eph 2:8-9 -- it is TOTALLY ACCOMPLISHED by the CROSS of JESUS CHRIST -- Col 1:20 -- WITHOUT "respect of persons" (partiality toward any man) -- Acts 10:34 -- Prov 28:21 -- Eph 6:9 -- Gal 2:6 -- 2 Sam 14:14 -- 1 Chron 19:7 -- Mark 12:14 -- Job 34:19 -- Rom 2:11 -- Col 3:25


No matter how many shall believe that THEY have "enabled GOD" to save them, via their own (unbibilcal) free will, ..."decision"... they shall be quite surprised and ashamed of that belief... upon His coming -- Matt 7:22-23



PEACE...

...willieH

hey willieh,

i dont believe i can 'do' anything for God, so i dont feel i enable Him to do or not do anything, i am only aligning myself with what i currently feel to be the truth, that being that by believing in Christ as my saviour, that in and of itself is what allows me to see eternal life, by believing this, i dont see how that would somehow enable, as you put it, God to then save me from my sin..or from eternal destruction....Jesus has already offered this gift to anyone, so He isnt doing, or responding to anything that im doing, His offer has always stood for me, and others, if we accept it, then we are to recv eternal life, if we dont, we see death....i dont follow how salvation is dependent on something we choose to do or not, the work of Christ is already done. yes i can see your point that i think salvation is dependent upon something i do, but God does not respond in action to that, there is no need for Him to then do anything, He has already done everything that needs to be done, by sending His Son, to die for us. so again, Gods work is already done, and He isnt responding to anything im doing....the price has already been paid.

peace brother, hope your feeling ok, im always happy to hear from you willieh.....God bless.

 

[strangertoo]

Are you not aware that sin causes spiritual death?

Luke 15:24 (NASB)
24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate.

the bible never uses the tern 'spiritual death' , but whatever it is you think you mean by making up new terms , it apparently is not terminal according to your quote...

in my understanding the scriptures you mention only signify that anyone of the MANY who refuse the narrw way of loving others will die because of sin and so is 'already dead' because they are determined not to give up sin, so will receive its wages, death...

but the few mostly die too, the difference being that those saints which die [most saints] they take part in the first resurrection of saints, who will be translated together with those who didn't die , at Jesus' return...

but all the rest of mankind alive and billions who died sinners still cannot live again until the resurrection of the unjust , we know they are destroyed [Matt 7:13] but nevertheless Jesus says that countless amny are later saved [Rev 7:9-10] ... how ? ... the only indestructible part of a man is his spirit which always returns to God :-

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

the body without the spirit has no soul [life] :-

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

thus it is the same in the resurrections, it is the indestructible spirit of a man by which men are brought back to life in the body... we know it is in the body because Jesus showed us it is in the flesh :-

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

thus in fact the spirit is of God, it is not even subject to death , but the body without the spirit is dead, soul-less ...

the only differenece between saints and sinners is that sinners spirits have to be returned to life until they learn to freely choose to love others and so find happiness in life as God wills we all shall do eventually... but only the few in this life [matt 7:14. Rev 7:3-8], countless many in the next [Rev 7:9-10] even though they were destroyed in this life [Matt 7:13]

most important in the process of salvation though is baptism of 'fire' :-

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

which we KNOW from the saints is not literal , but is the trial of love in life by longsuffering the sinners of this and the next world , the way God PERFECTS love in saints before they can be translated [freed from the need to live again , freed from death]

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

so now one can understand the final baptism of fire in the lake of fire for all who sin in the next life ... by then they are only the most evil of men and God has removed by translation all their easy prey in this life and the next, so the evil are left preying on themselves, poetic justice which is pretty terrible for them, concentrated evil convinces them progressively that they made a mistake , evil used to benefit them some ways, but in the final trial it is just misery ... so as Jesus states .[Rev 5:13] all will accept him... the lake of fire convinces even the most evil that love is the better way and God is love, His mercy endures once folks repent truly all their sin... so we see why Jesus is right, all will accept him, but not all at the same time , only few in this life and they the kings and priests whoready the kingdom come where countless many freely choose love because it is a perfectly loving way of life in teh kingdom and sinners are simply cast outside until they see that sin hurts them just as much as they hurt otehrs by sinning... finally the truth of love sinks in, that we can all be happy in life only by loving one another ... God's law is PROVEN , God shopwn to be right for ALL ... esle He would not be God and saviour of all... some would have a different god ...not possible

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[dollarsbill]

the bible never uses the tern 'spiritual death' , but whatever it is you think you mean by making up new terms , it apparently is not terminal according to your quote...

It certainly isn't physical death. What would you call it?

in my understanding the scriptures you mention only signify that anyone of the MANY who refuse the narrw way of loving others will die because of sin and so is 'already dead' because they are determined not to give up sin, so will receive its wages, death...

Actually it clearly says they are dead even while they are alive.

so now one can understand the final baptism of fire in the lake of fire for all who sin in the next life ... by then they are only the most evil of men and God has removed by translation all their easy prey in this life and the next, so the evil are left preying on themselves, poetic justice which is pretty terrible for them, concentrated evil convinces them progressively that they made a mistake , evil used to benefit them some ways, but in the final trial it is just misery ... so as Jesus states .[Rev 5:13] all will accept him... the lake of fire convinces even the most evil that love is the better way and God is love, His mercy endures once folks repent truly all their sin... so we see why Jesus is right, all will accept him, but not all at the same time , only few in this life and they the kings and priests whoready the kingdom come where countless many freely choose love because it is a perfectly loving way of life in teh kingdom and sinners are simply cast outside until they see that sin hurts them just as much as they hurt otehrs by sinning... finally the truth of love sinks in, that we can all be happy in life only by loving one another ... God's law is PROVEN , God shopwn to be right for ALL ... esle He would not be God and saviour of all... some would have a different god ...not possible

I know you are trying to squeeze everyone into God's eternal Kingdom but it's just not gonna happen.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

That only refers to the saved.

A glimpse of eternity:

Revelation 22:11 (NASB)
11 "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."