Who goes to hell?

dollarsbill · Feb 15, 2012

jrog said:
i think adding words would be of the same consequence, and by saying hell is an eternal hellfire where the wicked will spend eternity would also be adding words to Gods Word, so be careful what your wishing for.

Wrong again.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 15, 2012

Apparently, nobody goes to hell, it's a myth made up by Dante, but people go through the lake of fire . if they need purifying . thus choice of word for fire "pur"

Sadalmelik · Feb 15, 2012

(ORIG POSTED BY SQUINT) Don't you even see that by thinking in your heart to kill someone IT'S MURDER? Don't you know this is a SIN to even think such a thought.

( orig posted by dollarsbill) Thinking a thought is not sin. Desiring to sin is sin.

Matthew 5:28

English Standard Version (ESV)

28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

i dont know dollarsbill, but i think your incorrect about that idea too, it clearly states in the bible that even thinking something sinful would be considered a sin, so im not sure where you got your idea, that thought is not a sin. if your thinking about something, normally the desire, as you put it, is already there........would it be a sin to think " i feel sorry for that person who was murdered ", of course not, but if you were to wish someone dead, or even think the world would be better off without them, that would be sin.......so it does matter exactly what one is thinking, but to say no thought is sin is completely against scripture. and God judges our hearts in these matters, so it is not for any to judge, even the person themself, because God knows what is in our hearts.....

we can fool others, and even ourselves, we are not fooling God, nor are we able to hide anything from Him either.

squint · Feb 15, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Who/what are 'vessels of dishonor'?

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

See any 'vessel of dishonor there' in Paul's flesh?

How about here?

Romans 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

How about in John the Apostle?

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceiveourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil;

See it yet? No?

How about from Jesus' Facts?

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

See it yet? No? Still not?

How about here?

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

or here?

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

here?

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

here?

Romans 9:
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Funny thing about this is that 'IF' that 'vessel of dishonor' is raised over a mans mind, THEY CAN'T SEE IT or ADMIT to it or even UNDERSTAND.

The tempter ever tempt you in mind and heart, like this?

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

I could site several dozens more, but ya kinda have to know them don't ya?

Hey, where did Jesus show the devil and his messengers to be LOCATED on just about every page of the GOSPELS?

Can you say IN MAN? Don't know how a person could really miss that quite frankly.

enjoy!

s

squint · Feb 15, 2012

jrog said:
(ORIG POSTED BY SQUINT) Don't you even see that by thinking in your heart to kill someone IT'S MURDER? Don't you know this is a SIN to even think such a thought.

( orig posted by dollarsbill) Thinking a thought is not sin. Desiring to sin is sin.

Matthew 5:28

English Standard Version (ESV)

28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

i dont know dollarsbill, but i think your incorrect about that idea too, it clearly states in the bible that even thinking something sinful would be considered a sin, so im not sure where you got your idea, that thought is not a sin.

You're catching on FAST. You see, when a person, a believer, LOVES their neighbors as themselves they are LED by God Himself in their hearts to see these matters VERY quickly.

Why?

Because GOD IN CHRIST speaks HIS TRUTH to us within. In fact it is HIM in US that is providing OUR LOVE to us and in US to others.

dig?

There is however a 'spiritual resistor.' The anti-Christ spirit. The spirit of disobedience that goes against this matter. It is spiritual DUNG made to grow us OUT of the ground of darkness.

We take 'root' downward and bear FRUIT upward!

s

dollarsbill · Feb 15, 2012

squint said:
2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

See any 'vessel of dishonor there' in Paul's flesh?

How about here?

Romans 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

How about in John the Apostle?

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceiveourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil;

See it yet? No?

How about from Jesus' Facts?

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

See it yet? No? Still not?

How about here?

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

or here?

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

here?

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

here?

Romans 9:
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Funny thing about this is that 'IF' that 'vessel of dishonor' is raised over a mans mind, THEY CAN'T SEE IT or ADMIT to it or even UNDERSTAND.

The tempter ever tempt you in mind and heart, like this?

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

I could site several dozens more, but ya kinda have to know them don't ya?

Hey, where did Jesus show the devil and his messenger to be LOCATED on just about every page of the GOSPELS?

Can you say IN MAN? Don't know how a person could really miss that quite frankly.

enjoy!

s

We will all beheld accountable for our deeds/works. We can't blame the Devil.

squint · Feb 15, 2012

2 Tim. 2:
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Where is THAT HOUSE again?

Matthew 12:
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

See the 'rich man' wandering the 'dry places' there? uh huh.

s

squint · Feb 15, 2012

dollarsbill said:
We will all beheld accountable for our deeds/works. We can't blame the Devil.

Pretty hard to ignore the fact that sin is of the DEVIL and we ALL HAVE SIN.

No man can change what THE DEVIL does. That's what the DEVIL does. SIN!

When you 'make the DEVIL' sinless and responsible, let me know!

enjoy!

squint

Gregory Thompson · Feb 15, 2012

Sin came before the devil .. do you not remember when the scripture says . "You were perfect until the day "sin" was found in you?"

sin is separate from the devil . sin is just our fear . and love casts it out .

dollarsbill · Feb 15, 2012

squint said:
Pretty hard to ignore the fact that sin is of the DEVIL and we ALL HAVE SIN.

No man can change what THE DEVIL does. That's what the DEVIL does. SIN!

When you 'make the DEVIL' sinless and responsible, let me know!

enjoy!

squint

Don't you think this is pretty ridiculous, blaming Satan for our sins? Won't work on Judgment Day.

Sadalmelik · Feb 15, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Wrong again.

Revelation 22:18

English Standard Version (ESV)

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book

think what you will, i would not add any of my thoughts or words to the bible, for im not worthy of such.....do you feel you have that right? cause thats what you seem to be saying....and i could see why you would want this allowed, adding words to scripture with no consequence....afterall, thats what you do when you say that hell is eternal conscious torment, cause the bible doesnt say this,,,,it says the wages of sin is death, not eternal, neverending burning alive with no end, it says death...so your adding words to scripture, are you not?

Gregory Thompson · Feb 15, 2012

yeah! only by love being complete in you do you have any confidence in the judgment!

squint · Feb 15, 2012

Michael Collum said:
Sin came before the devil .. do you not remember when the scripture says . "You were perfect until the day "sin" was found in you?"

A 'perfect' DEVIL is what? Uh huh. A DEVIL.

Jesus told us the condition of the devil:

John 8:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

sin is separate from the devil . sin is just our fear . and love casts it out .

Sin defined in the scriptures:

A. Anything not of faith
B. Transgression of the LAW
C. Of the DEVIL
D. ALL have it except God in Christ

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 15, 2012

jrog said:
Revelation 22:18

English Standard Version (ESV)

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book

think what you will, i would not add any of my thoughts or words to the bible, for im not worthy of such.....do you feel you have that right? cause thats what you seem to be saying....and i could see why you would want this allowed, adding words to scripture with no consequence....afterall, thats what you do when you say that hell is eternal conscious torment, cause the bible doesnt say this,,,,it says the wages of sin is death, not eternal, neverending burning alive with no end, it says death...so your adding words to scripture, are you not?

Eternity is an addition from the latin translations . the fire is the same word used when talking about a blacksmith flames . look at the fruit of the hell preaching church . i'm not seeing the fruit . maybe this is part of the curse .

Gregory Thompson · Feb 15, 2012

squint said:
A 'perfect' DEVIL is what? Uh huh. A DEVIL.

Jesus told us the condition of the devil:

John 8:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Sin defined in the scriptures:

A. Anything not of faith
B. Transgression of the LAW
C. Of the DEVIL
D. ALL have it except God in Christ

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

well if you want to worship the devil .. keep focusing on him in your theology . if you want to worship Christ .. focus on him in your theology .

squint · Feb 15, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Don't you think this is pretty ridiculous, blaming Satan for our sins? Won't work on Judgment Day.

When you stop sinning or eliminate sin being OF THE DEVIL you just be quick to give me a hollar!

squint · Feb 15, 2012

Michael Collum said:
well if you want to worship the devil .. keep focusing on him in your theology .

Worship? Is there some reason to FLEE scriptural FACTS? LOL!

If Paul HAD A DEVIL and SIN is OF THE DEVIL and we 'all SIN' the math on this is superabundantly CLEAR.

But the religious Pharisee mindset can't accept this matter because it is offensive to that particular SPIRIT.

Luke 12:57
Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?

dollarsbill · Feb 15, 2012

"18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book"

Both are terrible. But nothing is as bad as

Revelation 22:19 (NASB)
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Nothing!

Gregory Thompson · Feb 15, 2012

squint said:
Worship? Is there some reason to FLEE scriptural FACTS? LOL!

If Paul HAD A DEVIL and SIN is OF THE DEVIL and we 'all SIN' the math on this is superabundantly CLEAR.

But the religious Pharisee mindset can't accept this matter because it is offensive to that particular SPIRIT.

Luke 12:57
Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?

Blessed are the pure in heart .. for they shall see God ~Matthew

What do you think Jesus would say about those who see the devil under every rock?

"out of the abundance of the heart .. the mouth speaks"

dollarsbill · Feb 15, 2012

squint said:
When you stop sinning or eliminate sin being OF THE DEVIL you just be quick to give me a hollar!

Sorry dude but you will be held accountable for your sins and I for mine. We are not puppets of Satan.

Who goes to hell?

According to your beliefs, who ends up in hell?

Those who do not become Christian during their mortal life

Those who do not submit to Christ/ accept Christ's love in the afterlife

Nobody. I don't believe in Hell.

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