Who Doesn't Go To Hell?

[Saint Steven]

If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical Christianity is the truth; then at least 74% of the earth's current population of 7.707 billion people are on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.

If those figures are in the ball park, then anyone in their right mind would hope that classical Christianity is NOT the truth.

 

[Alter2Ego]

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It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.

WebersHome:

Why is ending up in Hell "a terrible, awful tragedy"? In other words, what happens to people when they end up in Hell?

Alter2Ego


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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

 

[Blade]

Who? The word is clear John 3:16. Yet there are those that never heard.. they were blind so they have no sin. I truly believe in some way everyone gets a choice. And we need to remember He loves He cares has more compassion understanding on and on then ALL that have ever talked this earth. Not talking about Christ. One example is Abraham asking if there are 50.. got to 10 and stopped. God didn't tell him him to stop

Even before anything the one Lot.. as long as you are here I can do nothing. He leaves the 99 to get the ONE! This is so very hard for me to talk about. Its one thing to just say the lost as if they have no value to God. Yet they are His creation. If you have kids.. picture.. taking one tossing it in the fire. Yet we do this talk about this as the Father Son holy Spirit all watch and listen. Its not our creation not our kids were talking about. No books have been open. We see only flesh and we then judge knowing everything we see on the out side could be 100% false. He sees the heart.

Our love compassion grace mercy what have you in us from Him is such a tiny part of what He really is. No one on this planet would died for everyone that was is will be born. He still loved them so much died for them. We I believe will be so shocked at who is in Heaven. No one loves nor forgives like our GOD. We need to share this GOOD NEWS.. the hour is getting darker. Wrong/lies are now truth and truth is now lies.

 

[Saint Steven]

... He leaves the 99 to get the ONE! This is so very hard for me to talk about. Its one thing to just say the lost as if they have no value to God. Yet they are His creation. If you have kids.. picture.. taking one tossing it in the fire. Yet we do this talk about this as the Father Son holy Spirit all watch and listen. Its not our creation not our kids were talking about. ...

These are good points. Thanks.

 

[Mark Quayle]

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It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.

• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.

Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:

Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.

Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.

As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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You say, "It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins..."

John 3:18 says they were already condemned, because they do not believe. In other words, their lack of belief disallowed salvation. But they are condemned for their sin, their willful enmity with God.

 

[Aussie Pete]

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It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.

• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.

Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:

Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.

Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.

As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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The tragedy is that most people don't want to be saved. It is that simple. Unless the true gospel is preached and real conviction of sin as a result of the Holy Spirit's work, people's hearts are untouched. Billy Graham reportedly said that he would be delighted if 4% of the "decisions" made resulted in people being born again. And he preached the true gospel. God has provided a salvation so complete that no one is beyond saving and nothing can render it ineffective. Too many ministries don't even preach the true gospel. But in the end, man has to choose.

 

[Basil the Great]

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That's talking about a very large number of people currently in grave danger of the sum of all fears. Bear with me while I flesh this out.

According to my sources, as of mid 2020 there were approximately:

50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
16,500,000 . . . . .Mormons
8,200,000 . . . . . .Practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
8,531,000 . . . . . .Baha'i
545,584,000 . . . .Buddhists
468,411,000 . . . .Chinese Folk Religionists
8,606,000 . . . . . .Confucianists
269,498,000 . . . .Ethnic Religionists
1,062,595,000 . . .Hindus
6,135,000 . . . . . .Jains
14,779,000 . . . . .Jews
1,893,345,000 . . Muslims
64,549,000 . . . . .New Religionists
2,788,000 . . . . . .Shintoists
28,000,000 . . . . .Sikhs
14,851,000 . . . . .Spiritists
9,078,000 . . . . . .Taoists
1,757,433,000 . . .Non Religious/Atheists/Agnostics

The grand total of just those categories is 5,710,522,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical Christianity is the truth; then at least 74% of the earth's current population of 7.707 billion people are on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.

NOTE: Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians in accordance with Webster's definition; but not in the classical sense.

Joseph Smith's movement is a variation; in other words: there's some classical Christianity in Mormonism, but classical Christianity comprises only a portion of Mormonism. The rest of it is extreme, to say the least.

Neither do Jehovah's Witnesses qualify as Christians in the classical sense. Charles Taze Russell's movement is a variation too. There's some classical Christianity in the Watchtower Society's doctrines, but classical Christianity comprises only a portion of Russell's doctrines; and his slant on it is very peculiar.
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It would be unwise to assume that all non-Christians are on the road to Hell. Only God can judge the heart of a person and it could well be that the Catholic doctrine of "invincible ignorance" might well result in millions of non-Christians going to Heaven.

 

[mlepfitjw]

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Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ's crucified dead body because his crucifixion is only half enough to protect people from the wrath of God. Though his physical body's demise is adequate retribution for people's sins, its death doesn't gain anybody exoneration.

• Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was restored to life for our justification.

The Greek word translated "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.

People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal record. The resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body deletes their record so that on the books, it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.

This clearing of one's guilt that I'm talking about is obtained via the kindness and generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body. If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus' crucified body is still dead or, even better yet, make them question whether the man even existed at all; then they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and consequently end up put to death in brimstone when they stand to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
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Webster, I see what you are saying. The brimestone wasn't that like a washing away of whatever unrighteousness they had, I believe what you are saying though anyone who comes to believe and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ their sins are forgiven but those who do not, they (for me in my belief) placed outside the city gates of heavenly jerusalem.

Jesus Christ blood pays for all sins, every single one of them, anyone who turns and accepts God, or even the Lord Jesus Christ their sins are forgiven, when they believe in their heart that a higher power than themselves exist which is the Creator God.

 

[Saint Steven]

You say, "It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins..."

John 3:18 says they were already condemned, because they do not believe. In other words, their lack of belief disallowed salvation. But they are condemned for their sin, their willful enmity with God.

This doesn't take into account the countless billions that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ. Are they condemned for unbelief?

 

[Saint Steven]

The tragedy is that most people don't want to be saved. ...

That's what we like to tell ourselves.
We think they are unbelievers because they didn't join our church. In reality they don't want to be culturally "Christian". Accepting the gospel but rejecting the institution of the church and the social construct of "Christianity". I seem to remember the survey results confirming this. Vast numbers of believers outside the church. Which really bothered me when I first heard about it. But I think I understand it better now.

 

[Saint Steven]

Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ's crucified dead body because his crucifixion is only half enough to protect people from the wrath of God.

Are you saying that Jesus died to save us from God? (seems so) What's wrong with this picture?

 

[WebersHome]

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This doesn't take into account the countless billions that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ. Are they condemned for unbelief?

Unbelief as it's related to Christ's gospel is one thing; whereas unbelief as it's related to nature's gospel is quite another. For example the text of the timeless gospel located in Rev 14:6-7 which reads:

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, announcing with a loud voice: Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

There's no baby Jesus, no virgin conception, no crucifixion, and no resurrection in the timeless gospel. It's a bounce from the first chapter of Genesis, with elements from the 19th Psalm. The everlasting gospel is very basic; pretty much all it says is:

1» There's a supreme being.

2» He deserves respect.

3» There's a reckoning to face some day.

4» The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the product of intelligent design.

According to portions of the letter to Romans, everyone has access to the timeless gospel via their logic, their conscience, and the realm of nature so that the angel won't be announcing anything new; it will only be reiterating what every sensible person knows already without having to read a Bible or listen to a preacher.

Unbelief as it's related to the timeless gospel is serious, but far less serious than unbelief related to Christ's gospel (Luke 12:47-48). People who resist and/or suppress his gospel are immediately condemned when they do so-- no delay and no waiting period. (John 3:18 & John 3:36).
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[Frosty Cook]

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It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.

• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.

Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:

Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.

Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.

As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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The only people that will live in heaven are those that God gave to Jesus to die for, redeeming them from all of their sins. Jesus did not die for all mankind, only those that God gave him.

 

[Petros2015]

Or was it all of us?

From my perspective, it was all of humanity

 

[Petros2015]

In other words, what happens to people when they end up in Hell?

There's no Mute button, like in Heaven

 

[Petros2015]

50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists

Wow, I thought Scientology was much, much bigger; they had a pretty big push in New York when I visited around 2010, right on Times Square. Guess not though. Can't speak for the members but having watched them out of the corner of my eye over the past couple decades, I don't expect to see the leaders in heaven.

 

[Saint Steven]

Wow, I thought Scientology was much, much bigger; they had a pretty big push in New York when I visited a few years back, right on Times Square. Guess not though. Can't speak for the members but having watched them out of the corner of my eye over the past couple decades, I don't expect to see the leaders in heaven.

I don't think Scientology is making any claim to be Christian. Christian Science is another story. Claiming Jesus was the first "scientist".

 

[Maria Billingsley]

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It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.

• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.

Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:

Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.

Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.

As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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Three things to consider. Forgiveness, Forgiveness, forgiveness.
1 The father forgives through
2 Jesus Christ of Nazareth and
3 We who believe in Him forgive others

Be blessed.

 

[Mark Quayle]

This doesn't take into account the countless billions that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ. Are they condemned for unbelief?

I just said, they go to hell for their sin. Their unbelief disallows them from heaven. The judgement they suffer is for sin. The payment is for their debt.

 

[Saint Steven]

I just said, they go to hell for their sin. Their unbelief disallows them from heaven. The judgement they suffer is for sin. The payment is for their debt.

No. Here's what you wrote that I replied to.

Mark Quayle said: ↑
You say, "It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins..."

John 3:18 says they were already condemned, because they do not believe. In other words, their lack of belief disallowed salvation. But they are condemned for their sin, their willful enmity with God.