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Do you believe this? have YOU been taught this in a classroom, church, or synagogue?

In addition, why does it say, "unfortunately"?

Unfortunate for whom?
 

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There's an old Sunday School joke related to this that sums up my feelings about it. In essence, it doesn't matter. Further, why wouldn't you want an accurate translation? If Moses didn't write "Red Sea", why would you want to perpetuate calling it that? ... oh, wait ... KJVer and all that. Never mind.

Anyway, the joke. A Sunday School teacher is reading about the flight of the Israelites in Exodus, and when she comes to the crossing and the death of the Egyptians, a little boy shouts, "Praise God!" The teacher explains, "I hate to tell you this, but historians think they crossed at a place where the water was only a few inches deep." Again the boy shouts, "Praise God!" "Didn't you hear me?" the teacher asks. "Yes," the boy explains. "Isn't it a miracle that God stopped all those Egyptians with only a few inches of water?!"

While funny, it actually makes sense and has historical precedent. It WOULD be difficult for a large army to cross a muddy mess where the horses, chariots, heavy armaments - whatever it was the Egyptians had - would get bogged down. That very issue was a major factor in the English victory over the French at Agincourt.

Regardless, whether it's Red Sea or Reed Sea, it won't change the fact that unbelievers don't believe in Moses at all.
 
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Regardless, whether it's Red Sea or Reed Sea, it won't change the fact that unbelievers don't believe in Moses at all.
After you first heard that, were you reinforced in an academic setting?
 
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After you first heard that, were you reinforced in an academic setting?
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you asking if I learned about it in college? No, I did not. Even though I attended a public university, I only recall one instance where the subject of religion ever came up in class. Further, I was part of a strong Christian community when I was in college.

I first learned about this when I was very young - in Sunday School as I implied per the joke. It was only a passing reference and honestly didn't make much impact on me at the time. It wasn't presented as an important detail at the time and I don't personally know of anyone who has ever considered it an important detail.
 
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Never heard that, but that does not surprise me as there are many (at least 3) places in The Bible where parts of a verse has been changed.
There are more than ten in the OP alone.
 
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Do you believe this? have YOU been taught this in a classroom, church, or synagogue?

In addition, why does it say, "unfortunately"?

Unfortunate for whom?
It would make it a lot easier to walk through. Let's say it's true.
 
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I heard this decades ago in a television show that was examining historical aspects of Bible stories. Seems reasonable. It would make more sense to lead a large group of people to the Reed Sea than the Red Sea.
God led them there on purpose.

Moses was caught between a rock and a hard place.

Exodus 14:9 But the Egyptians pursued after them, all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh, and his horsemen, and his army, and overtook them encamping by the sea, beside Pihahiroth, before Baalzephon.

When the people complained that they were gonna die, Moses gave one of the most famous lines in the Bible of all time:

Exodus 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.
14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.
 
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Do you believe this? have YOU been taught this in a classroom, church, or synagogue?

In addition, why does it say, "unfortunately"?

Unfortunate for whom?
Either way, the Egyptian army got drowned. if it was just a small puddle, that just makes God bigger.
 
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Either way, the Egyptian army got drowned. if it was just a small puddle, that just makes God bigger.
We don't need academia to make God look bigger, do we?
 
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I heard this decades ago in a television show that was examining historical aspects of Bible stories. Seems reasonable. It would make more sense to lead a large group of people to the Reed Sea than the Red Sea.
 
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What I find intriguing if Exodus is supposed to be based on historical events, how one of the central characters is simply identified as "Pharaoh".
While the consensus amongst most scholars, archaeologists and Egyptologists is the biblical portrayal of Exodus is not based on historical events it hasn't stopped various individuals over the centuries such as Manetho, Josephus, Sigmund Freud and Isaac Asimov speculating on the pharaoh's identity.

 
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If one does not know Christ then you will never understand it will be foolishness to you "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

So try as they might they will never understand. Now I clicked the link then read what others said about this and .. yeah huge difference here. This link leaves out allot of detail. I liked this "There is general agreement among scholars today, both liberal and conservative, that yam suph means “Reed Sea.” There is a truth in this yet not. Its not a "general agreement". Kinda like people saying in the end times there will come a great falling away. Yep that's one meaning of the word another that was used and written in the bible was "departure". So some links agree others do not.. and if one knows about this.. its not that easy. One word used 4 times then the other many times in the word blah blah blah
 
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I agree.

They can understand, but only to a certain point, then they need the "Key to Fuller Understanding."

That Key, of course, being Jesus Christ.
 
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