True anyway.
When you say so much which is contary to scripture then it's obvious that you don't know much.
How could you as the scriptures do not lie.
So it's you who are wrong as many times as you oppose a verse.
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True anyway.coming from you, that is a real compliment...thank-you.
in His service
c
let's just agree to disagree...you see the scriptures one way, and I see them another way...I believe them 100%, just as I am sure that you do....and nothing that you could ever say would prove otherwise....how we divide the Word is how we believe...we disagree, and I am not vain enough to think that I have all the answers....since the Bible cannot contradict itself, sometimes we are forced to divide the scriptures in another way to avoid any contradiction that appears because of poor translations...that is what makes for docrinal differances...
you seem to believe that anyone who believes different than you, is against God???
That's what you say and strenghtens my claim that you don't know much.
not so, just don't agree with you.....simple. honest. stop the little shots Garry....
in His service
c
That was just an ordinary post answering you, but you do see hate, you bring it up often.doesn't it bother you, the way you act to your supposed Christian brothers? We are supposed to show Love, and long suffering, yet you seem to just fill your posts with hate. Do you really not see it?
Yes I know you see hate and insults it's what's in your eye.Yes I see it in your posts all the time....
you have to keep the insults up though
there you go again....you just cannot stop
garry2 posted in message #36:
Neither of you know much.
zeke37 posted in message #37:
Bible2 posted:
We are indeed the temple (2 Corinthians 6:16), but
not the only temple, for there exists at the same
time a temple-building in heaven (Revelation 15:8).
symbolic none the less, but still, Christ is going to
be the temple here on earth when He comes back... and
the light there of...not some Jewish sacrificial
center...that is done away with, as God teaches, for
all time.
zeke37 posted in message #37:
what I debate with you is not a hevenly temple in
existance now, but a future Jewish temple before the
Day of the Lord.
zeke37 posted in message #37:
Satan will sit in the temple that exists NOW, and
that is the many menmbered body of Christ...you are
the temple of Christ. your body is the temple.
zeke37 posted in message #37:
Bible2 posted:
And in the first century, even after the establishment
of the temple of the Church, there remained a temple-
building in Jerusalem, which the Church still
considered to be the temple (Acts 3:1, 22:17).
and that temple stood and was used until 70 AD which
is why the early writers called it such, but surely
you don't think that those deciples sacrificed there,
do you? Even if it was used for 37 years or so, those
sacrifices were in vain .that temple does not exist
today...
zeke37 posted in message #37:
Rev14, is Christ actually back on earth for the
Lord's Day...
zeke37 posted in message #37:
Satan is the false prophet
zeke37 posted in message #37:
the world will worship Satan (the son of Perdition)
as God (Jesus)
zeke37 posted in message #37:
no animal sacrifices, Christ did that already for us
for all time, and it is certianly not something that
God will want or allow a people to do, so as to get
good with Him
The temple-building in heaven isn't symbolic, but an
actual building that can be filled with smoke
(Revelation 15:8) and can have angels come out of it
(Revelation 15:6).
Christ's physical body (John 2:21) isn't going to be
the only temple here on earth when He comes back, for
during the millennium there will be a temple-building
in Jerusalem before which sacrifices will be made
(Zechariah 14:20-21). But these sacrifices will not be
according to the Mosaic law which has been done away
(2 Corinthians 3:11, Hebrews 7:18), and they will not
be for sin (Hebrews 10:18), which means that the
conditional prophecy (Ezekiel 43:10-11) of Ezekiel
chapters 40-48 will now never be fulfilled because
it refers to sacrifices for sin (Ezekiel 40:39).
It's after the millennium and subsequent events
(Revelation 20:7-15) that a new earth will be
created, and New Jerusalem will descend from heaven
to the new earth (Revelation 21:1-3), and Christ the
Lamb and God the Father will be the only Temple and
the Light of New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:22-23).
As Christians, we mustn't ever debate (2 Corinthians
12:20, Romans 1:29),
but we can simply discuss what
we believe the scriptures teach (2 Timothy 4:2),
such as that during the tribulation the Orthodox Jews will
rebuild a temple-building in Jerusalem (Revelation
11:1-2)
and restart the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices
before it,
which after two or three years will be
stopped by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:31)
before he sits in the temple and proclaims himself God
(2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36).
The Day of the Lord will begin at the second coming
(1 Corinthians 1:7-8), which will be after the
tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27).
Christ's coming to gather together the Church will
destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
It will not be Satan, but the Antichrist who at the abomination of desolation (Daniel 11:31) will sit
in the rebuilt temple-building and proclaim himself
God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), even though
the Antichrist could have Satan dwelling inside of
him.
During the tribulation, the Church on the earth will
remain the temple of God (2 Corinthians 6:16), so
that after he defiles the temple-building of God, the
Antichrist will then wage war against the Church
temple of God and behead Christians (Revelation
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).
The Church considered the first-century temple-
building in Jerusalem to be the true temple of God;
that's why the apostles of the Church still went there
to pray (Acts 3:1, 22:17).
But the Church wouldn't have made sacrifices for sin at the temple because those were done away with through the one-time
sacrifice of Christ Himself (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews
10:18).
But in the early Church, there were many thousands
of Jews who remained zealous for the old Mosaic law
(Acts 21:20), and so continued to make non-sin
offerings at the temple according to the Mosaic law,
even though they no longer had to (Hebrews 7:18-19).
And the apostle Paul even joined in with them at
least one time (Acts 21:26);
he became like them
temporarily in the hope that he might be able to
gain some of them (1 Corinthians 9:20) away from
their continued bondage to the old Mosaic law
(Galatians 4:21-5:14).
Another time, the apostle Paul had to remind even
the apostle Peter not to get all caught up in trying
to please those Jews in the Church who mistakenly
thought that they still had to keep the old Mosaic
law (Galatians 2:11-21).
Actually, Revelation 14:1-5 is referring to Christ
with the 144,000 part of the Church in the heavenly
Sion, New Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22), after the
144,000 part of the Church has been caught up to
the throne of God as the "man child" right before
the reign of the Antichrist begins (Revelation 12:5-6).
While the 144,000 part of the Church is before the
throne of God in the third heaven (Revelation 14:5),
others in the Church will still be on the earth
suffering and dying during the reign of the Antichrist
(Revelation 14:12-13).
They will refuse to worship him
or his image or receive his mark in their hand or
forehead, knowing that to agree to do so would mean
their eternal torment (Revelation 14:9-13).
yes he is...Christ is the real True Prophet...Satan isn't the False Prophet,
although the False
Prophet could be possessed by Satan so that he will
be able to perform amazing miracles by the power of
Satan to get the world to worship the Antichrist
(2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 13:12-18, 19:20).
The Antichrist and the False Prophet are two men who
will be cast alive into the lake of fire at the
second coming (Revelation 19:20), some thousand
years before Satan is cast into the lake of fire
(Revelation 20:7-10).
The world will worship Satan in addition to the
Antichrist (Revelation 13:4). But it will probably
not worship him as "Satan", but as Lucifer, who
through the Antichrist could deny that he's Satan
and claim that it's YHWH who is Satan (Revelation
13:6), while he (Lucifer) is the good guy.
And the Antichrist will not claim that he's Jesus
because he will deny that Jesus is the Christ
(1 John 2:22), and so will deny that Jesus is God.
The Antichrist could claim that it's Lucifer who is
Christ/God, and that he (the Antichrist) merely has
Christ/God dwelling inside him to the fullest extent,
like (he could say) Jesus did temporarily (John
20:28), for he will deny that Christ/God Himself can
ever become flesh (1 John 4:3; 2 John 1:7).
God will allow the Orthodox Jews to rebuild a temple-
building in Jerusalem and restart the daily Mosaic
animal sacrifices for two or three years before the
Antichrist stops them (Daniel 11:31).
God will accept the rebuilt temple and restarted
Mosaic sacrifices as holy in themselves, for even
though the Mosaic law has been completely abolished
in its continued application to men (Hebrews 7:18-19),
it in itself remains completely holy before God
(Romans 7:12).
What God will not accept from the Orthodox Jews is
their motive for rebuilding the temple and restarting
the Mosaic sacrifices for sin, which motive will be
their unbelief in the one-time sacrifice of Jesus for
sins (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 10:18). Their sacrifices
for sin will not help them one bit to obtain salvation
(Galatians 2:21, Hebrews 10:1-23). That can only come
through faith in Jesus (John 3:36, 14:6, Acts 4:12)
and His death for our sins and His rising from the dead
on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
There will be some elect Orthodox Jews (as well as
other Jews) who, even though they remain unbelievers
throughout the tribulation, will all become believers
after the tribulation, at the second coming, when
they see Jesus (Romans 11:26, Zechariah 12:10-14).
But they will have had to have rejected the Antichrist
and refused to worship him or his image or receive his
mark in their hand or forehead, for anyone who agreed
to do those things will never be saved (Revelation
14:9-11).
精神的な名誉;48243698 said:^Wow Bible2 you got lots of matter that i agree with, you have good knowledge of the end times. The original temple of worship was destroyed, what exists in its place now is a mosque right? So in order for a new temple to be built, the mosque has to be done away with right?
I remember reading that the anti-Christ will unite all the important world leaders together, even those that have been enemies for the longest time and there will be peace.
So in order for the mosque to be done away with, the Muslims have to agree that their mosque be removed and that a new temple be built right? I think that these signs will be the the signs that the end times might be approaching.
Glad you agree that you don't know much, as far as your accusation that I snipe from the side lines, your problem , if I don't say much, strange that it offends you.True (1 Corinthians 13:9, 8:2), but is one going to
help us know more from the scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16),
or just snipe from the sidelines? (Acts 17:18, John 7:12)
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