White Supremacists Are Targeting College Campuses Like Never Before

[Gadarene]

Maybe so, but surely you agree that in the USA at the present time, the overwhelming majority of the "hate / racism" is coming from the right? That is not to excuse the problems on the left, but rather to gain perspective.

If you redefine hatred as only commissible towards nonwhites, nonmen, etc then obviously it will look as if the majority of the hatred is coming from the right.

 

[Rion]

Research into hate groups and their numbers doesn't say much about racism/hate in general.

More to the point though, if one side is demonizing whites and men...I can't really support that side, even if I don't like what the other side has to say.

I was being facetious.

 

[expos4ever]

If you redefine hatred as only commissible towards nonwhites, nonmen, etc then obviously it will look as if the majority of the hatred is coming from the right.

I certainly am not redefining hatred this way. Are you seriously suggesting that the right is not, right now and specifically in the United States, engaging in more "hate" than the left?

 

[Gadarene]

I certainly am not redefining hatred this way. Are you seriously suggesting that the right is not, right now and specifically in the United States, engaging in more "hate" than the left?

You may not be actively thinking of it as such, but that’s how the debate has been shifted, to the point where you may not notice hatred when it is directed against those groups I highlighted.

Your question is basically meaningless, how are you quantifying hate?

 

[MyOwnSockPuppet]

White Supremacist Propaganda Surges on Campus

I do like the way that the ADL had to specifically exclude 4chan's little effort - their members put up posters saying "It's OK to be white", just that, with no advocation for any political group and no mention of anyone else.
This presented the news media with a simple enough choice, they could ignore it as real-world trolling or they could try to explain how just saying it's ok to be of a given ethicity was in fact a subtle form of racism against every other ethnicity while all the time desparately trying not to say that it's not ok to be white.

Needless to sat that they all lost their collective [wish I could finish this off], and looked like prize idiots.

 

[expos4ever]

But by the same token you cannot prove that most practising Muslims don't believe in draconian sharia over equality.

Not the point. I asked you to defend an assertion you made. One thing at a time please.

 

[Gadarene]

I do like the way that the ADL had to specifically exclude 4chan's little effort - their members put up posters saying "It's OK to be white", just that, with no advocation for any political group and no mention of anyone else.
This presented the news media with a simple enough choice, they could ignore it as real-world trolling or they could try to explain how just saying it's ok to be of a given ethicity was in fact a subtle form of racism against every other ethnicity while all the time desparately trying not to say that it's not ok to be white.

Needless to sat that they all lost their collective [wish I could finish this off], and looked like prize idiots.

It’s pretty Orwellian, really.

Saying things about white people that nonwhites would be outraged over if said to them = not racist
Saying it’s ok to be a given race = racist

I wish these people would just stay in their safe spaces with their colouring books rather than trying to run things that are evidently a bit beyond them.

 

[expos4ever]

You may not be actively thinking of it as such, but that’s how the debate has been shifted, to the point where you may not notice hatred when it is directed against those groups I highlighted.

Your question is basically meaningless, how are you quantifying hate?

I think it is clear that neither of us has credible data to support our respective opinions.

 

[Gadarene]

I think it is clear that neither of us has credible data to support our respective opinions.

Hang on - I meant it’s hard to tell either which way, due to the lack of a metric.

I don’t deny there’s plenty of hatred on the right - I see no metric to discern how one side has *more* hatred than the other, however. The waters are muddied too by the left’s attempts to mangle the established definitions of terms like hatred, racism, etc.

 

[expos4ever]

Hang on - I meant it’s hard to tell either which way, due to the lack of a metric.

That was exactly my point.

 

[Rion]

Hang on - I meant it’s hard to tell either which way, due to the lack of a metric.

I don’t deny there’s plenty of hatred on the right - I see no metric to discern how one side has *more* hatred than the other, however. The waters are muddied too by the left’s attempts to mangle the established definitions of terms like hatred, racism, etc.

There's also fake hate crimes on both sides, and the media rarely follows up on these outside of the local channels.

 

[Gadarene]

That was exactly my point.

But I’m not making a claim regarding exact levels of hatred.

 

[All Englands Skies]

Not the point. I asked you to defend an assertion you made. One thing at a time please.

But it is the point, you cannot "prove" most practising Muslims don't agree with sharia which is against equality for others and for superiority for themselves, you cannot "prove" that.

Funny how people who challenge Islam have to have air tight proof or face being discredited, while people who defend Islam and claim its a religion of peace, do so on no proof what so ever.

You base the assumption that practising Muslims don't mainly agree with draconian sharia law on at least a passive scale on anecdotal evidence, but then demand that someone against Islam shows you "proof" (which is meaningless as people can lie on these endless polls and it only asks a test group of people) that they come to a different conclusion of judging Muslims by what they say and do.

You cannot prove it neither, hence you saying "not the point", because its a stalemate, if you disprove my argument based on "lack of concrete proof", you also disprove your own argument, so its back to square one, nobody should take either position.

 

[Rion]

It's a high school, but the same mentality is present in most colleges

School cancels 'Hunchback of Notre Dame' due to white student getting lead role - The College Fix

Students United’s letter conceded that the student cast as Esmeralda “is a stellar actor, singer, and dancer” and that any production would be “lucky to have her.”

However, it added: “Our concern is not with her, but with the fact that in terms of demographics, she is the wrong choice for this role.”

 

[All Englands Skies]

It's a high school, but the same mentality is present in most colleges

School cancels 'Hunchback of Notre Dame' due to white student getting lead role - The College Fix

Students United’s letter conceded that the student cast as Esmeralda “is a stellar actor, singer, and dancer” and that any production would be “lucky to have her.”

However, it added: “Our concern is not with her, but with the fact that in terms of demographics, she is the wrong choice for this role.”

I know, basically they've pulled the play because some people are offended by a white person, but that is not racist somehow.

Laughable, the part these "people of colour" claim is for them, in the original book was ethnically French, the illegitimate daughter of a French nobleman and a French prostitute, who was kidnapped and raised by Gypsies, so was not even ethnically a Roma and even a Roma is not a black/African person.

Aren't French people considered "white"?

So infact they're denying a role to a person who is totally okay to play the part, just because she is "white" (but I would not have a problem if a "person of colour" played the role either, there should be no problem whoever does the part)

 

[pat34lee]

So they become supremacists?

Only in the sense that if you point out injustices toward caucasians
you must be a white supremacist in the eyes of many leftists.

 

[pat34lee]

if they really are all about free speech, why don't they invite some Hoteps or Black Israelites on campus?

For the same reason you wouldn't invite Ann Coulter or Ben Stein
or Rush Limbaugh.

 

[pat34lee]

White Supremacists Are Targeting College Campuses Like Never Before[/URL]

The polarization isn't going one way only.
Are College Students More Political Now?

 

[SummerMadness]

For the same reason you wouldn't invite Ann Coulter or Ben Stein
or Rush Limbaugh.

I'm not holding an event where I'm highlighting fringe elements claiming it's all about free speech. But you're correct, if I was creating a free speech event based on extreme elements, they would not be invited as they are not the most extreme. But that's the lie of these organizations claiming it's about free speech, it's not about free speech, it's about promoting white supremacists on campus. That's their plan when they invite Richard Spencer, yet pretend it's simply about free speech.

 

[Rion]

I think the increasing presence of white supremacists on campus is not something borne of the student body, I think they're mostly outsiders. That is wholly different from on-campus discourse seen on college campuses. If anything, I think the right-wing college students like to flirt with white supremacy without going full hog. They often flirt with it under the guise of free speech, but my attitude is if they really are all about free speech, why don't they invite some Hoteps or Black Israelites on campus?

Wait, wait... you're just upset that they are not inviting the correct type of holocaust deniers to campus? You don't care that racists are targeting campuses, just that it's white racists?