White lives matter too......

[sahjimira]

I don't know the statistics except those quoted here but is it a conspiracy to kill and incarcerate blacks? I don't think so. Justice system needs over hall for everyone. My son gets gets pulled over by the cops a lot for nothing. He's white and 25yrs old. Is it because he's young male or has a guilty looking face? Granted black have had a hard time but I've seen lots of allowances mad for them too

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Yes, and blacks are 16% of the population. That means that they're killed at twice the rate you'd expect. White people are 77% of the population; that means they're killed less than you'd expect.

All that states is that black people have a large percentage of violent criminals. Cops go after criminals.

Edit: Also, both can be true at the same time. "Black Lives Matter" does not mean "White Lives Do Not Matter". It just means that black lives matter.

~Pff~
Everything having to do with black people is race related. It's specialism just like any other.
They aren't having congregations talking about killing white people for another reason.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I find it hypocritical because blacks actually kill whites far more often than the reverse is true, yet they run around acting as though they are the primary victim of unfair racial violence. The fact is that they are the primary perpetrator of racial violence, both against their own race and every other race. You're also right however that black on black violence is also much higher than any other race.

Ever notice that probably 98% of these happen in inner city ghettos? why is that you wonder? you don't see this happening to black farmers in Texas. Could it be the urban environment?

True, but even then, it's statistically less than the percentage of blacks that kill other blacks. The point I'm getting at is that police are simply doing their job. When they don't do their job correctly, it's due to police brutality and that's the real issue. We should hear them (and everyone else) protesting about police brutality, not trying to turn it into a racial inequality issue.

They point out their race because they are the ones who experience it. I have many black friends who have had the stereotypical event of DWB and being pulled over for it. I don't know of any of my white friends who get pulled over just for being in a rich neighborhood and they are white. I guess your friends have experienced other wise.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Without regard to the crime itself we should ask the police what the behavioral differences are between black suspects and white suspects when apprehended.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I only find it hypocritical in the fact that blacks kill more blacks and anybody else.

Black lives matter... when white people can be blamed for their loss.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Black lives matter... when white people can be blamed for their loss.

It is easier to blame somebody else for your problems isn't it? Americans have been doing this for a long time. Somethings are out of your control, and some things aren't, but when somebody stands up to it. They are going to meet resistance. Why do people have a problem over some folks standing against what they see as a problem?

 

[Belk]

Point is that all lives matter. And when the BLM protesters boo at that statement, they only hurt their cause.

No, the point is that BLM is trying to call attention to a specific issue and saying "all lives matter" is nothing more then trying to minimize their efforts.

 

[Hank77]

No, the point is that BLM is trying to call attention to a specific issue and saying "all lives matter" is nothing more then trying to minimize their efforts.

The problem is that they are making police brutality ALL about the color of their skin, which is not true.

ie.
There are four children in a family, three boys, one girl.
Girl - I'm the one who is always getting grounded. In the last 4 mths. the boys have only been grounded 2 times, I have been grounded 5 times more than they have. That is not fair, it's because I'm a girl. Girls matter!!
Dad - Guess what, you break the rules 5 times more than all the boys put together do. So yes, you're punished 5 times more and you're the first that is suspected of breaking the rules because you do so often. No, it's not Because you are a girl and yes girls matter.

 

[Vylo]

The problem is that they are making police brutality ALL about the color of their skin, which is not true.

ie.
There are four children in a family, three boys, one girl.
Girl - I'm the one who is always getting grounded. In the last 4 mths. the boys have only been grounded 2 times, I have been grounded 5 times more than they have. That is not fair, it's because I'm a girl. Girls matter!!
Dad - Guess what, you break the rules 5 times more than all the boys put together do. So yes, you're punished 5 times more and you're the first that is suspected of breaking the rules because you do so often. No, it's not Because you are a girl and yes girls matter.

That analogy doesn't quite work either.

Here is as simple of a breakdown as I can make it.

- Blacks, as far as can be told, commit crimes at a higher rate than whites.

- Blacks are caught and punished far more than whites, and detained more than whites, even when whites are committing more crimes. (see Ferguson police stops)

- Both whites and blacks are sometimes punished, even killed, when it wasn't warranted, or even when the person was completely innocent.

- Blacks are disproportionately suffer from such abuses as outlined above.

- ALL of the abuse is being captured more often now and has come to light.

- BLM people make it primarily about race

- Most white people make it about police brutality.

- Many white folk see the BLM tag as divisive, trying to diminish the suffering of other races compared to black, and sometimes misguided as some have defended those who are quite thoroughly guilty and should have been punished/killed by police. Since they see this as a matter of police brutality, they see this as offensive, trying to dismiss those who are brutalized who aren't black. So they say "all lives matter".

- BLM people see "All lives matter" as diminishing the disproportionate suffering of black people at the hands of police. Since they see this as a matter of race, they take offense to this.

This is why there is such a disconnect.

BLM people see a racial issue to tackle, and miss the greater problem of police brutality.

ALM people see that tackling the police brutality issue will reduce ALL abuse. They aren't completely blind to the racial part of the problem, but simply see tackling the greater problem as more expedient and focused.

 

[Audacious]

All that states is that black people have a large percentage of violent criminals. Cops go after criminals.



~Pff~
Everything having to do with black people is race related. It's specialism just like any other.
They aren't having congregations talking about killing white people for another reason.

Are you implying that black people commit twice the violent crime of white people? Because white men actually account for 69% of violent crime arrests nationwide. If it matched violent crime statistics, and cops actually went after criminals, you'd find a lot more white deaths than black ones.

 

[Belk]

The problem is that they are making police brutality ALL about the color of their skin, which is not true.

ie.
There are four children in a family, three boys, one girl.
Girl - I'm the one who is always getting grounded. In the last 4 mths. the boys have only been grounded 2 times, I have been grounded 5 times more than they have. That is not fair, it's because I'm a girl. Girls matter!!
Dad - Guess what, you break the rules 5 times more than all the boys put together do. So yes, you're punished 5 times more and you're the first that is suspected of breaking the rules because you do so often. No, it's not Because you are a girl and yes girls matter.

No, they are calling attention to the fact that blacks have force used against them at a rate disproportionate to that of whites when ones accounts for percentage of population and crimes committed. They are pointing out this is a national trend. Why is that an issue?

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

Are you implying that black people commit twice the violent crime of white people? Because white men actually account for 69% of violent crime arrests nationwide. If it matched violent crime statistics, and cops actually went after criminals, you'd find a lot more white deaths than black ones.

Pay attention, dude:

- I said that more white men are gunned down by police then black men.
-This was challenged with a claim that there are far more whites than blacks
- I stated, accurately, that the only thing that states is blacks have a large percentage of violent criminals, therefore since violent criminals get assaulted, so to are a lot of blacks.

Seriously, it shouldn't have even needed to be explained in the first place. There are no statistics or anything period to show that blacks are getting assaulted more then whites out of any sort of racism. It is made up.

And if you paid attention to your own source, you would see that it's talking about a mistake- it's actually a statistic on all crime from loitering to murder.

 

[Hank77]

Are you implying that black people commit twice the violent crime of white people? Because white men actually account for 69% of violent crime arrests nationwide. If it matched violent crime statistics, and cops actually went after criminals, you'd find a lot more white deaths than black ones.

She corrected her statement when faced with facts. You might want to read this whole article.
"Our ruling

Kohn said that white men are at least as dangerous as black men and cited as proof that white men represent 69 percent of people arrested for violent crimes.

When presented with the inaccuracies in using that specific figure by PunditFact, Kohn corrected herself.

Criminologists we contacted also told us that those absolute figures -- when used correctly -- tell only half the story. When talking about risks to society, it is equally important to provide the population-based rate. When we do that, the threat of violent crimes posed by blacks looks larger than that of whites.

For these two reasons, Kohn’s claim that "white men account for 69 percent of those arrested for violent crimes" is inaccurate." We rate it False.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...y-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

 

[Michael]

Ever notice that probably 98% of these happen in inner city ghettos? why is that you wonder? you don't see this happening to black farmers in Texas. Could it be the urban environment?

Maybe. If that is the case (and I have no idea if it is) then it's still not exclusively a 'black lives matter' issue. Urban lives matter might be a better slogan perhaps? Like I cited in the opening post, it's not *just* unarmed blacks that are killed by police. It happens to everyone.

They point out their race because they are the ones who experience it.

But as the link I cited in the opening posts demonstrates, they aren't the only ones that experience it.

I have many black friends who have had the stereotypical event of DWB and being pulled over for it. I don't know of any of my white friends who get pulled over just for being in a rich neighborhood and they are white. I guess your friends have experienced other wise.

Apparently your white friends have never been a teenager driving a beat up car or a fast car. That has definitely happened to me *plenty* of times in my teens and 20's, particularly in my 68 Camaro. (really wish I'd kept that car).

In fact I've been pulled over in my own mostly white neighborhood in my late 40's, probably because I was driving my old van back from a dump run that day. There wasn't any other valid reason to pull me over, and I wasn't even cited for anything. Apparently he was just curious as to who I was and what I was doing in that neighborhood. Police do stuff like that, and not exclusively to blacks.

 

[Michael]

No, they are calling attention to the fact that blacks have force used against them at a rate disproportionate to that of whites when ones accounts for percentage of population and crimes committed.

Source please!

They are pointing out this is a national trend. Why is that an issue?

It's an "issue" because it's not true. When you look at the statistics, Blacks commit 52 percent of all homicides and are only 'gunned down' by police about 32 percent of the time. Meanwhile whites are gunned own almost as frequently as they commit murder (about 4 percent less often, but not 20 percent less).

 

[Ringo84]

Who said they didn't? White lives, however, are not the ones being snuffed out by overly aggressive cops.

 

[Hank77]

No, they are calling attention to the fact that blacks have force used against them at a rate disproportionate to that of whites when ones accounts for percentage of population and crimes committed. They are pointing out this is a national trend. Why is that an issue?

Because police brutality is wrong, no matter who it happens to. When it is fought on the bases of race there are unfavorable consequences.
Whites ignoring the problem because they think it only happening to blacks.
Blacks hating whites because they believe it's only happening to blacks.
Whites saying if those blacks were busy working for a living instead of hang out and getting in trouble it wouldn't happen.
Blacks saying .....and on and on it goes.

What is happening across the country with police violence is serious and it needs to stop. Instead it's being turned into a racial war, that will go nowhere. What a gift to law enforcement, divide and conquer.

 

[Hank77]

Who said they didn't? White lives, however, are not the ones being snuffed out by overly aggressive cops.

Really?
2014 -
414 whites killed by police,
233 blacks killed by police

 

[Michael]

Who said they didn't? White lives, however, are not the ones being snuffed out by overly aggressive cops.

In terms of the number of blacks that are killed by police compared to the murders that they commit, that's simply not the case. It's a myth. The number of murders committed by blacks is 52 percent of all murders, and they're "stuffed out" as you put it only about 32 percent of the time. That compares to about 45 percent of all murders by whites, and a "snuff out" ratio of about 42 percent. Covered that issue here already:

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/white-lives-matter-too.7903352/#post-68498989

 

[Michael]

Really?
2014 -
414 whites killed by police,
233 blacks killed by police

Really!

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Now let's look at the number of deaths at the hands of the police in terms of the statistics. Mind you that there's a problem here with comparing different year ranges, but this is a pretty good graph and it's more recent, so I'll use it to make my point:

If 52 percent of the homicides in the US are committed by black offenders, it's statistically likely that 52 percent of all police homicides are likely to be committed against black offenders because that's who the police are hired to arrest on a statistical basis. Instead we see a 32 percent arrest/homicide ratio against blacks, *far less than* 52 percent, in fact 20+ percent less. Meanwhile the white arrest/homicide ratio by police is only 3-4 percent less than the murder/race ratio. If anyone is getting a raw deal at the hands of the police, it's the Hispanic population, not blacks and not whites.

Blacks are also disproportionately represented among cop killers. In 2013 for instance, blacks made up 42 percent of all cop killers whose race was known. The arrest/homicide ratio of blacks is actually *less* than than the (police homicide)/race ratio, not just the homicide/race ratio. All things considered you'd have a really hard time statistically complaining about the numbers when you actually factor in the homicide rates of various races.