Which Requires More Faith?

[Mickey1953]

I don't choose what I believe. I let the evidence dictate it - to do otherwise is to be irrational. I honestly could not, even if I wanted to, believe in something that had no evidence to my knowledge.

Likewise, there's no real "choice" about it. Evolution has evidence, Creation does not. A rational person always "chooses" the one with evidence.

We already do.

“One of the great things about science is a willingness to make mistakes, and learn from them.” (See below)

Humans make mistakes and we do choose. What is evidence whether Science or Creation has debates on both sides always.... Whatever you believe takes faith. Does it take more faith for one than the other? I see Creation every day.

Based on my investigations of Evolution I choose Creation. To me there is evidence of Creation....and to others. I don't stand alone. There might be some that are not rational. So is the case in Evolution....
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And I am pretty rational...
Below is from another thread I posted on:
I am not against teaching Evolution. ...... Verified facts can be questionable whether you, question Creation or I, question Evolution. And always will.
Please see:
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...f_these_1.html
“One of the great things about science is a willingness to make mistakes, and learn from them.” Facts can be in error.

Check out the following site. I have this book and it is a very good.
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/

I looked up polls to see how others felt about teaching Creation and Evolution.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657083.shtml
http://www.here-now.org/shows/2004/11/20041123_2.asp

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/cu.../evol-poll.htm
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE
PRINCETON, NJ -- Although most scientists subscribe to the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the origin of human beings, a recent Gallup poll shows that the American public is much more divided in its own beliefs. Americans choose "creationism" over "evolution" when asked which of these two terms best describes human origins, but slightly larger numbers of Americans choose one of two evolutionist explanations than choose a strict creationist explanation when given a choice between three specific views. At the same time, only about a third of the public say that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution is well supported by evidence.
Although it says most in the article above concerning scientists, there are scientists who believe in Creation…..

I am not alone.
Sincerely
Mickey
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencebible.html
is another good site to visit...

As I shared; I see Creation every day....

 

[MrGoodBytes]

“One of the great things about science is a willingness to make mistakes, and learn from them.” (See below)

Humans make mistakes and we do choose. What is evidence whether Science or Creation has debates on both sides always.... Whatever you believe takes faith. Does it take more faith for one than the other? I see Creation every day.

Based on my investigations of Evolution I choose Creation. To me there is evidence of Creation....and to others. I don't stand alone. There might be some that are not rational. So is the case in Evolution....
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And I am pretty rational...
Below is from another thread I posted on:
I am not against teaching Evolution. ...... Verified facts can be questionable whether you, question Creation or I, question Evolution. And always will.
Please see:
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...f_these_1.html
“One of the great things about science is a willingness to make mistakes, and learn from them.” Facts can be in error.

Check out the following site. I have this book and it is a very good.
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/

I looked up polls to see how others felt about teaching Creation and Evolution.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657083.shtml
http://www.here-now.org/shows/2004/11/20041123_2.asp

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/cu.../evol-poll.htm
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE
PRINCETON, NJ -- Although most scientists subscribe to the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the origin of human beings, a recent Gallup poll shows that the American public is much more divided in its own beliefs. Americans choose "creationism" over "evolution" when asked which of these two terms best describes human origins, but slightly larger numbers of Americans choose one of two evolutionist explanations than choose a strict creationist explanation when given a choice between three specific views. At the same time, only about a third of the public say that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution is well supported by evidence.
Although it says most in the article above concerning scientists, there are scientists who believe in Creation…..

I am not alone.
Sincerely
Mickey
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencebible.html
is another good site to visit...

As I shared; I see Creation every day....

Relying on the average Joe for support should always be done with caution, especially when the average Joe lives in the US. A significant percentage of the population believes in ghosts, UFOs and Iraqi WMD, too.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

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Check out the following site. I have this book and it is a very good.
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/

This book is promoting Walt Brown's hydroplate theory which is so goofy he can't even get creationist technical journals to publish it. Glenn Morton discusses some of the flaws in Brown's silly hypothesis HERE. IMO the a major problem is that water coming from deep in the earth as Brown claims would be hot enough to cook all life to death. Futher there is no evidence of any of the vast chambers needed to hold that water preflood ever having existed and Brown's denial of plate tectonics goes against overwhelming evidence.

You will find that people here have seen and analyzed any of the YEC arguments you are likely to dredge up and found them all to be fatally flawed.

 

[Mickey1953]

Relying on the average Joe for support should always be done with caution, especially when the average Joe lives in the US. A significant percentage of the population believes in ghosts, UFOs and Iraqi WMD, too.

I cannot speak for anyone else. You are right in what you wrote - (I am not sure what you mean by 'when the average Joe lives in the US) - but I still stand by what I believe. We all believe in something.

If the average Joe means myself in intellect - That might be true - with a little pazazz I hope. But there are not just the average Joes' that believe as I do. I have shared that list before and can again.....(I will later) And it goes back to whose words you choose to accept and believe is a qualified person. I am not qualified in science. There are those that are very qualified and are scientific and have degrees that believe as I. The question was: Does it take more faith to believe in Creation or Evolution? I simply shared I see Creation everyday. I am definitely not in a position to convince anyone else to believe as I do. Not intellectually. That is why I have shared other qualified persons web sites and books. And though I admire intellect (and we have some very educated persons on this forum - Evolutionists and Creationists and some in between), I simply choose what I choose based on my research and my life. There is so much more that determines ones beliefs. And I have not chosen idly. My God, by His Holy Spirit speaks to me; and what I have experienced in life; has brought me to believe as I do. Is that considered the average belief? No...

I see Creation and I see God in that Creation.
Peace to you
Mickey

 

[FishFace]

“One of the great things about science is a willingness to make mistakes, and learn from them.” (See below)

No scientist is going to admit of a mistake unless there is actually reason to do so. The person who disproves evolution, should that happen, will probably receive a Nobel prize, and be an even bigger mark in the history of science than Darwin. But that has not happened yet.

I'm not really sure what the rest of your post was on about. Did it contain any new evidence for creation, or evidence against evolution?

Or was it just relying on the appalling fact that the US has the second lowest evolution-acceptance rate in the world? Thankfully, the rest of the modern world has shaken off the shackles of bronze age mysticism in favour of reason.

 

[Belk]

No scientist is going to admit of a mistake unless there is actually reason to do so. The person who disproves evolution, should that happen, will probably receive a Nobel prize, and be an even bigger mark in the history of science than Darwin. But that has not happened yet.

I'm not really sure what the rest of your post was on about. Did it contain any new evidence for creation, or evidence against evolution?

Or was it just relying on the appalling fact that the US has the second lowest evolution-acceptance rate in the world? Thankfully, the rest of the modern world has shaken off the shackles of bronze age mysticism in favour of reason.

Mostly I think the rest of her post was "This is what I believe because I want to believe it."

 

[Logic_Fault]

My post is shared with respect to what you have chosen to believe in.

I do not "believe in" evolution any more than I "believe in" the sun rising tomorrow morning. I accept it as fact because all evidence points toward it.

This is what I choose to believe. Someday we will know.

But, we already know because we have evidence that points to evolution and solely to evolution.

I am encouraging you to view his site. You may find it of interest....
Sincerely,
Mickey

Instead of that, why don't you just post what you feel are the absolute very best arguments on that site?

 

[Logic_Fault]

“One of the great things about science is a willingness to make mistakes, and learn from them.” (See below)

Yes, that's sort of how science works in a general sense.

Humans make mistakes and we do choose. What is evidence whether Science or Creation has debates on both sides always.... Whatever you believe takes faith. Does it take more faith for one than the other? I see Creation every day.

What is evidence is not negotiable. Evidence either supports your claim or it doesn't. Granted, a single piece of evidence by itself may appear to support multiple solutions but evolution is not working with a single piece of evidence but many, many individual pieces of evidence that all intertwine and point solely to evolution being the correct solution to the diversity of life on this planet.

Just because the person who wrote this "sees Creation every day" means nothing.

Based on my investigations of Evolution I choose Creation. To me there is evidence of Creation....and to others.

I see this all the time yet I've never been shown any of this "evidence" that they're all so overwhelmed with.

What I do see is misrepresentation and misunderstanding of actual valid science in order to support Creationist claims.

I don't stand alone. There might be some that are not rational. So is the case in Evolution....

Sure. I wont argue that some supporters on both sides are irrational. We are, after all, dealing with humans. It's par for the course.

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2).

All of which are topics a physicist has every right to speak on.

Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe.

Possibly, though I'm not sure how this is supposed to be anything more than an argument from authority.

I am not against teaching Evolution. ...... Verified facts can be questionable whether you, question Creation or I, question Evolution. And always will.

Verified facts are questioned every day in laboratories around the world in every field of science. That's how science works.

Creation has, and continues to, fail this test every single day.

“One of the great things about science is a willingness to make mistakes, and learn from them.” Facts can be in error.

Scientists are well aware of that. That's how progress is made, by finding the errors in what we thought we understood and coming up with a better answer to it through research that provides solid evidence.

Creationists have yet to even begin doing research as they can't even form a valid hypothesis beyond "Goddidit," which, of course, isn't a valid scientific starting point.

I looked up polls to see how others felt about teaching Creation and Evolution.

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE PRINCETON, NJ -- Although most scientists subscribe to the theory of evolution as the best explanation for the origin of human beings, a recent Gallup poll shows that the American public is much more divided in its own beliefs. Americans choose "creationism" over "evolution" when asked which of these two terms best describes human origins, but slightly larger numbers of Americans choose one of two evolutionist explanations than choose a strict creationist explanation when given a choice between three specific views. At the same time, only about a third of the public say that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution is well supported by evidence.

Reality is not determined by the majority vote. If you took a poll and 100% said that the sky is green, that would not make the sky green.

Although it says most in the article above concerning scientists, there are scientists who believe in Creation…..

If the scientists are not biologists it doesn't particularly matter what they think.

I am not alone.

I wouldn't go bragging about the company you're in.

 

[stumpjumper]

As I shared; I see Creation every day....

I see creation every day too. To a theistic evolutionist, evolution is simply the mechanism God used to bring diverse but interconnected life about.

Even Aquinas accepted that God works through secondary causes...

 

[stumpjumper]

So, which one requires more faith?

Neither. It's a false dichotomy.

If you place faith in either evolution or creation, you have re-defined faith from the meaning given by Jesus. Faith is trust. Jesus didn't want us to believe things about him or some dogmatic doctrine of creation that was discredited long before Darwin...

He wanted people to follow him and come to him and the light that he pointed towards and take that light to others...

Picking up one's cross to follow the Lord does not entail believing things about the natural world that are disproved by just about every field in the natural sciences (not just biology)...

 

[flatworm]

Neither. It's a false dichotomy.

If you place faith in either evolution or creation, you have re-defined faith from the meaning given by Jesus. Faith is trust. Jesus didn't want us to believe things about him or some dogmatic doctrine of creation that was discredited long before Darwin...

He wanted people to follow him and come to him and the light that he pointed towards and take that light to others...

Picking up one's cross to follow the Lord does not entail believing things about the natural world that are disproved by just about every field in the natural sciences (not just biology)...

Although you and I may differ over theology, I must say 'well said'. It has always boggled my mind how some Christians will insist the ways of God are beyong mortal comprehension... except when it comes to origins, in which case the ways of God must fit neatly into the understanding of bronze-age nomads.

 

[stumpjumper]

Although you and I may differ over theology, I must say 'well said'. It has always boggled my mind how some Christians will insist the ways of God are beyong mortal comprehension... except when it comes to origins, in which case the ways of God must fit neatly into the understanding of bronze-age nomads.

Indeed.

In fact, I would say Creationism (and a lot of other man-made ism's) are predicted by the creation texts.

In the story of Adam and Eve, the Hebrew word for knowledge (Tree of Knowledge) is yada. It is an all en-compassing verb and really means to reach for universal knowledge or create one's own truths. I would say you can see this very clearly in Creation "Science" or really in any endeavor when man places his views above the views of others and makes anything their own God...

I won't elaborate much further lest I become rather un-charitable but almost any time you start saying this (and only this) is necessarily true, and it is my truth, and must be believed by all others in the face of other truths, you have eaten a bit more of the fruit of Adam...

 

[Upisoft]

So, which one requires more faith?

In what units do you measure faith? Watts, Kelvins, Ampers, etc.???

 

[Mickey1953]

Yes, that's sort of how science works in a general sense.


What is evidence is not negotiable. Evidence either supports your claim or it doesn't. Granted, a single piece of evidence by itself may appear to support multiple solutions but evolution is not working with a single piece of evidence but many, many individual pieces of evidence that all intertwine and point solely to evolution being the correct solution to the diversity of life on this planet.

Just because the person who wrote this "sees Creation every day" means nothing.


I see this all the time yet I've never been shown any of this "evidence" that they're all so overwhelmed with.

What I do see is misrepresentation and misunderstanding of actual valid science in order to support Creationist claims.


Sure. I wont argue that some supporters on both sides are irrational. We are, after all, dealing with humans. It's par for the course.


All of which are topics a physicist has every right to speak on.


Possibly, though I'm not sure how this is supposed to be anything more than an argument from authority.


Verified facts are questioned every day in laboratories around the world in every field of science. That's how science works.

Creation has, and continues to, fail this test every single day.


Scientists are well aware of that. That's how progress is made, by finding the errors in what we thought we understood and coming up with a better answer to it through research that provides solid evidence.

Creationists have yet to even begin doing research as they can't even form a valid hypothesis beyond "Goddidit," which, of course, isn't a valid scientific starting point.


Reality is not determined by the majority vote. If you took a poll and 100% said that the sky is green, that would not make the sky green.


If the scientists are not biologists it doesn't particularly matter what they think.


I wouldn't go bragging about the company you're in.

Peace to you....
As I shared I believe.... and someday we will know for sure...
And I sincerely enjoy the forum.... because I can share. And because of discussing this topic, someone might consider Creation...not by my words, but others who believe:
Sir Cecil Wakeley, one of the world’s leading scientists whose credentials are : KBE, CB, LLD, MCD, Doctor of Science, FRCS and past president of the Royal College of Surgeons of Great Britain

“Scripture is quite definite that God created the world, and I for one believe that to be fact – not fiction.”

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/home.htmlhttp://www.msstate.edu/org/sacs/scientists.html

Dr. Baumgardner
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home...aumgardner.asp
(To see all the article go to the above site)
"Ph.D. in electrical engineering when he discovered the reality of Jesus in a dramatic way through a group Bible study of the Gospel of John. After a four-year tour of duty at the Air Force Weapons Laboratory, where he was engaged in gas dynamic laser research, he joined the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ……..Dr. Baumgardner began to develop and present classroom lectures and evening forums to expose evolution's false claims.
……..His Ph.D. thesis research involved the development of a 3-D spherical-shell finite-element model for the earth's mantle, a program now known as TERRA.
Upon completing his Ph.D. in geophysics and space physics, he accepted a position as a staff scientist in the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he has continued his research in planetary mantle dynamics.."

Quote from Logic_Fault
"Creation has, and continues to, fail this test every single day."

It depends on what you believe.... I have shared some who disagree with Evolution.
Logic_Fault - You shared: "Just because the person who wrote this "sees Creation every day" means nothing."
You also said: "What is evidence is not negotiable....."

And you are correct, I cannot argue a case nor could I prove Creation to you on my own. What I have hoped to share are those who believe in a Creator.....

What takes more faith - Creation or Evolution?
In Creation - there is God and I believe in God; by faith and as I shared; by my life. I do put God and Creation together. Would it take more faith to believe Evolution?
Oh yes, and much more.....More of which I would not surrender.

Unknown author:
"God is exalted above all such deficiencies. His planning and creation take place at the same instant.
Whenever God wills a thing to come about, it is enough for Him just to say, "Be!"

Sincerely,
Mickey






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[TheInstant]

The whole doctrine of evolutionism attempts to reduce everything to the stature of man taken as an end in himself,and aims at little more than satisfying the material side of his nature.

Could you expand on this? What is the "doctrine of evolutionism" and what is its relationship to the biological theory of evolution?

they are innumerable as you well know

No, I don't know this, which is why I asked.

 

[Logic_Fault]

As I shared I believe.... and someday we will know for sure...

And as I, and at least one other poster pointed out, we already know for sure which is correct.

The evidence tells us so.

And I sincerely enjoy the forum.... because I can share. And because of discussing this topic, someone might consider Creation...not by my words, but others who believe: Sir Cecil Wakeley, one of the world’s leading scientists whose credentials are: KBE, CB, LLD, MCD, Doctor of Science, FRCS past president of the Royal College of Surgeons of Great Britain “Scripture is quite definite that God created the world, and I for one believe that to be fact – not fiction.”

Argument from authority. This is a fallacy if you weren't aware of it.

The evidence points to evolution for the diversity of life and to an event termed the "Big Bang" for the origin of the universe. It has nothing to do with what Einstein, Wakeley or my neighbors dog believes. Evidence is what counts.

Dr. Baumgardner "Ph.D. in electrical engineering when he discovered the reality of Jesus in a dramatic way through a group Bible study of the Gospel of John. After a four-year tour of duty at the Air Force Weapons Laboratory, where he was engaged in gas dynamic laser research, he joined the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ……..Dr. Baumgardner began to develop and present classroom lectures and evening forums to expose evolution's false claims.

Oh, please. The guy's an engineer (no offense to engineers, I think it's a wonderful field). His opinion of evolution is as relevant as my opinion of Dr. Hawking's latest work, i.e. it doesn't matter.

…..His Ph.D. thesis research involved the development of a 3-D spherical-shell finite-element model for the earth's mantle, a program now known as TERRA.

Sounds quite impressive. What does it have to do with evolution? This is similar to saying my car mechanic thinks the local nuclear plant isn't working quite right. My mechanic, and Wakeley, are both untrained in the field they're criticizing.

Upon completing his Ph.D. in geophysics and space physics, he accepted a position as a staff scientist in the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he has continued his research in planetary mantle dynamics.."

Again, where did he study evolution in all this? Why should he even have an opinion that should be considered a scientific criticism of evolution?

Just because someone holds a Ph.D. does not make them an expert in "science" and capable of commenting on any and every scientific field in existence. At the very best they can comment on their own field and criticize the theories therein.

It depends on what you believe.... I have shared some who disagree with Evolution.

None of who (whom?) are trained in biology, work in a biological field or conduct biological research into evolution.

You shared: "Just because the person who wrote this "sees Creation every day" means nothing."
You also said: "What is evidence is not negotiable....."

And it's not. He presented no evidence, just a claim that he "sees Creation everyday". So what? Where is the evidence of creation? Real evidence, the kind that can be studied, tested and quantified.

And you are correct, I cannot argue a case nor could I prove Creation to you on my own. What I have hoped to share are those who believe in a Creator.....

I'm well aware already that such people exist. I'm also well aware that there are some people with highly prized credentials share such a view. It still does not change the fact that the evidence does not support such a view.

What takes more faith - Creation or Evolution?
In Creation - there is God and I believe in God; by faith and as I shared; by my life. I do put God and Creation together. Would it take more faith to believe Evolution?
Oh yes, and much more.....More of which I would not surrender.

Why should it take any "faith" at all to accept evolution?

Unknown author: "God is exalted above all such deficiencies. His planning and creation take place at the same instant.
Whenever God wills a thing to come about, it is enough for Him just to say, "Be!"

Yes, but this author has the same problem you, and anyone else, have when claiming a god did anything at all; you must first show that said deity even exists to begin with. If any of you ever accomplish this then you can work on showing that said deity actually created anything and if so that it specifically created our universe, our planet and the life that exists on it.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

And I sincerely enjoy the forum.... because I can share. And because of discussing this topic, someone might consider Creation...not by my words, but others who believe: Sir Cecil Wakeley, one of the world’s leading scientists whose credentials are : KBE, CB, LLD, MCD, Doctor of Science, FRCS and past president of the Royal College of Surgeons of Great Britain

Those "credentials" are all but worthless. KBE means Knight Commander of the British Empire, CB means Companion of the Order of the Bath, LLD stands for Legum Doctor - doctor of laws. FRCS is simply the abbreviation for Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons.

This man might have been a good surgeon, but that hardly qualifies him to make statements concerning evolution.

 

[Logic_Fault]

Those "credentials" are all but worthless. KBE means Knight Commander of the British Empire, CB means Companion of the Order of the Bath, LLD stands for Legum Doctor - doctor of laws. FRCS is simply the abbreviation for Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons.

Thanks for the definitions.

I was pretty sure I knew what KBE stood for but wasn't so sure about any of the others and didn't think it worth my time to look them up.

This man might have been a good surgeon, but that hardly qualifies him to make statements concerning evolution.

My point exactly.

 

[Mickey1953]

What takes more faith - Creation or Evolution?

And as I, and at least one other poster pointed out, we already know for sure which is correct.

The evidence tells us so.


Argument from authority. This is a fallacy if you weren't aware of it.

The evidence points to evolution for the diversity of life and to an event termed the "Big Bang" for the origin of the universe. It has nothing to do with what Einstein, Wakeley or my neighbors dog believes. Evidence is what counts.

Oh, please. The guy's an engineer (no offense to engineers, I think it's a wonderful field). His opinion of evolution is as relevant as my opinion of Dr. Hawking's latest work, i.e. it doesn't matter.


Sounds quite impressive. What does it have to do with evolution? This is similar to saying my car mechanic thinks the local nuclear plant isn't working quite right. My mechanic, and Wakeley, are both untrained in the field they're criticizing.


Again, where did he study evolution in all this? Why should he even have an opinion that should be considered a scientific criticism of evolution?

Just because someone holds a Ph.D. does not make them an expert in "science" and capable of commenting on any and every scientific field in existence. At the very best they can comment on their own field and criticize the theories therein.


None of who (whom?) are trained in biology, work in a biological field or conduct biological research into evolution.


And it's not. He presented no evidence, just a claim that he "sees Creation everyday". So what? Where is the evidence of creation? Real evidence, the kind that can be studied, tested and quantified.


I'm well aware already that such people exist. I'm also well aware that there are some people with highly prized credentials share such a view. It still does not change the fact that the evidence does not support such a view.


Why should it take any "faith" at all to accept evolution?


Yes, but this author has the same problem you, and anyone else, have when claiming a god did anything at all; you must first show that said deity even exists to begin with. If any of you ever accomplish this then you can work on showing that said deity actually created anything and if so that it specifically created our universe, our planet and the life that exists on it.

[FONT=&quot]Faith in Creation.... Faith in Evolution...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Definitions of faith:
Loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person
Complete confidence in a person or plan etc
A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny [/FONT]
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[/FONT]Jeremiah 29: 13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.[FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]John R. Baumgardner, Ph.D. Geophysics/Space Physics[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Education:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]B.S. Electrical Engineering, Texas Tech University
M.S. Electrical Engineering, Princeton University
M.S. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA
Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA

Creation Scientists:
http://www.icr.org/research/index/research_biosci/
[/FONT]Scientists in the Biological Sciences
[FONT=&quot]http://www.icr.org/research/index/research_physci/[/FONT]
Scientists in the Physical Sciences
Laurence D Smart B.Sc.Agr., Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Ed PO box 175, Kippax, ACT Australia 2615 Email: laurence@unmaskingevolution.com Webpage: www.unmaskingevolution.com [Free to print and distribute. Copy must be in full.]
http://unmaskingevolution.com/29-100_scientists.htm
Many of the founders of modern science saw no conflict between their Christianity, the Bible and science.
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Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed....
John 20:29....[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[/FONT] All those listed, believed or believe in a Creator.

[FONT=&quot]Mickey


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[Baggins]

The majority of people who accept evolutionary theory believe in a creator.

Darwin believed in a creator.

None of that invalidates evolutionary theory.

This could be a good time to bring up Project Steve:

http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3541_project_steve_2_16_2003.asp

For every accredited scientist that creationist organisations can come up with with doubts about evolution ( and there aren't that many and most of them are not biologists ), Proect Steve comes up with many more scientists just named Steve who do accept evolutionary theory.

You will never win a numbers game when it comes to scientists who accept to reject evolution, the overwhelming majority of scientists accept evolution and around 99% or greater of biological scientists accept evolution.

You are backing a loser with this argument I am afraid.