Which one is right?

[AHJE]

Listen to what this person (who was a Southern Baptist), who converted to the Church of Christ, says about the Infallibility of the Pope.

Please click here: http://www.catholic.com/video/infallibility-of-the-pope

Glory be to the Holy Spirit!

 

[Albion]

I took it from the OP that she wanted help on how to decide which is the right denomination, not a pitch for anyone's particular favorite.

 

[AHJE]

I took it from the OP that she wanted help on how to decide which is the right denomination, not a pitch for anyone's particular favorite.

If it was simply and merely my "favorite" I wouldn't be posting what I have posted.

May Christ be glorified.

 

[Albion]

If it was simply and merely my "favorite" I wouldn't be posting what I have posted.

If it turns out that you're actually a Methodist, I'll be sending my apologies.

 

[geneseib]

No, I mean what I said. All Denominations are imperfect.

Most denominations were formed because of a disagreement on one insignificant point.

 

[wordsoflife]

So, you've decided to go with "perfect" instead of right (which was the question)?

Right or perfect...same thing. If it's perfect it's right, if it's right it's perfect. No big difference here so we can go with right. So, there is no Church that has it all 100% right.

 

[wordsoflife]

If it turns out that you're actually a Methodist, I'll be sending my apologies.

He seems genuine in his belief that the Catholic Church is the true Church. I've actually found his posts to be interesting and helpful. I think the Catholic Church is a good recommendation to the O.P.

 

[Albion]

Right or perfect...same thing.

No.

You or an organization can indeed be correct, be right, when it comes to its stances...and yet be imperfect in other ways. For example, Church X could be 100% right on its doctrines and practices--that which we are supposedly discussing here--and yet have a defect in its Constitutiton by which it makes choosing a new leader upon the death of the old one difficult to do. Or it could be 100% right but not very good at spreading the faith, at evangelism. That would be an imperfection, but the church would still have all its teachings and doctrines exactly correct.

 

[wordsoflife]

You or an organization can indeed be correct, be right, when it comes to its stances...and yet be imperfect in other ways. For example, Church X could be 100% right on its doctrines and practices--that which we are supposedly discussing here--and yet have a defect in its Constitutiton by which it makes choosing a new leader upon the death of the old one difficult to do. Or it could be 100% right but not very good at spreading the faith, at evangelism. That would be an imperfection, but the church would still have all its teachings and doctrines exactly correct.

Ok Albion, we are going to split hairs here. Either way I don't see any one Church as having it "all 100% right". There is no Church that is "perfectly right", how about that.

 

[Albion]

Ok Albion, we are going to split hairs here. Either way I don't see any one Church as having it "all 100% right". There is no Church that is "perfectly right", how about that.

Well, here's the way I look at it. We are here dealing with helping a person who needs some direction and has asked for it. When asked about which church they should join, or else where they can find the right one for them, it's not much help to say in reply, "There aren't any that are any good. Forget it."

For one thing, it is impossible to say with certainty that the truth is not to be found in any church. If there are ten thousand to choose from, it is indeed possible that one of them has it right. Of course, it could be that none of them do, but we cannot just say, categorically, that none CAN.

And even if that were the case, shouldn't we try to direct the person--using the information given about what they are looking for specifically--to the church that is the closest to what they are looking for, or at least suggest how they can decide for themselves?

I actually take these inquiries as special. We've been trusted to take their concerns to heart, such that we will respond as thoroughly and sympathetically as we can.

 

[wordsoflife]

Well, here's the way I look at it. We are here dealing with helping a person who needs some direction and has asked for it. When asked about which church they should join, or else where they can find the right one for them, it's not much help to say in reply, "There aren't any that are any good. Forget it."

For one thing, it is impossible to say with certainty that the truth is not to be found in any church. If there are ten thousand to choose from, it is indeed possible that one of them has it right. Of course, it could be that none of them do, but we cannot just say, categorically, that none CAN.

And even if that were the case, shouldn't we try to direct the person--using the information given about what they are looking for specifically--to the church that is the closest to what they are looking for, or at least suggest how they can decide for themselves?

I actually take these inquiries as special. We've been trusted to take their concerns to heart, such that we will respond as thoroughly and sympathetically as we can.

I gave the best answer I believed in my opinion possible. That was that there is no 100% right, true, and perfect Church but that the Lutheran and Catholic Churches were the best. This is my opinion...get over yourself.

 

[Albion]

I gave the best answer I believed in my opinion possible. That was that there is no 100% right, true, and perfect Church but that the Lutheran and Catholic Churches were the best. This is my opinion.

And I never questioned or took exception to your suggestion of those two churches, even though you offered no explanation as to why those might be the most correct. It was only to the idea you were so insistent upon that no church can be right, and my objection there was only that it's not true.

 

[wordsoflife]

And I never questioned or took exception to your suggestion of those two churches, even though you offered no explanation as to why those might be the most correct.

Yes I did go back to my original post. I said to look for a Church that follows the creeds.

It was only to the idea you were so insistent upon that no church can be right, and my objection there was only that it's not true.

There is no Church that's 100% right and I am insistent upon that. Churches are built by men and men are flawed. If there is a perfect Church then which one is it, the Anglican?

 

[Albion]

Yes I did go back to my original post. I said to look for a Church that follows the creeds.

Oh, right you are. You did.

There is no Church that's 100% right

There is no way that anyone can know that, period.

 

[wordsoflife]

There is no way that anyone can know that, period.

Well I haven't found a Church that is 100% right.

 

[Tangible]

Well I haven't found a Church that is 100% right.

I see you sport a Luther rose. What part of Lutheran doctrine specifically do you not believe is 100% right? Also, why would you affiliate with a body of believers who hold any doctrines that you believe to be incorrect?

 

[wordsoflife]

What part of Lutheran doctrine specifically do you not believe is 100% right?

I do lean more Catholic in my Theology and was actually confirmed a Catholic. I attend the Lutheran Church because that is where my family goes and it's nice to all be together.

Also, why would you affiliate with a body of believers who hold any doctrines that you believe to be incorrect?

Obviously, if I do not believe that anyone is 100% correct then I would be alienating myself from everyone and have no Church home whatsoever.

 

[ObeyGODCommandments]

I have been a Christian for a couple years now.. and I am still confused by all of the denominations.

There seem to be so many.. Which one is right? I wasn't raised in a certain one.. so I am looking at all of these from a complete outsider's perspective.

I know that I need to study Christian history and find these answers myself.. but just wondering if anybody would be able to share general information or how they were able to determine which denomination they were.

No denomination churches are right. Why are they not right? Because it causes division against the body of Christ. Remember, God is NOT an author of confusion, but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33). He will not allow the body to be divided against each other. The true church is Christ, he is the head of the church. No other man is ahead of the church other than our Lord Jesus Christ. That is what the bible teaches. Verse Matthew 23:8-12 makes it clear that we only have one teacher, and that is Christ.

Read Hebrews 8. According to the New Covenant, we are only permitted to confess our God the (Father). God permitted Jesus our (Lord) to be our High Priest. He is our High Priest and we are only permitted to be taught by God and Jesus through the Holy Spirit. We are not to confess our sins to (worldly) Priests since Priests of this generation are not permitted by God to wash away people's sins.

ACCORDING TO GOD'S OWN WORDS THROUGH THE PROPHETS:
No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more" (Jeremiah 31:34 and Hebrews 8:11-13).
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me (John 6:45).

People should not need to rely on going to church to know the truth. God/The prophets/Jesus/Paul never mentioned in the bible that we have to attend a church in order to make it into the Kingdom of God/heaven. READ: John 3:16, John 14:6, John 6:44-51, and Ephesians 2:8-9. We are only called to obey God's commandments and we are also called to persevere/endure to the end in order to make it into the Kingdom of God.
I use to think that being a Christian/Catholic was to go to church, to take communion classes, and to do my confessions, but as I got older, I found out that most of the Churches that are promoting heresies and false doctrines are being operated/run by Pharisees, Pagans, and Sadduccees.
I was completely disillusioned when I became aware of the heresies and false doctrines that are being taught in the churches. Read "False Teachers and Their Destruction" (2 Peter 2:1). Read "Warning Against False Teachers of the Law" (1 Timothy 1:3-11). Also read these warning verses such as Mark 12:38-40, Matthew 23/Matthew 23:13-15, Matthew 5:17-20, and James 3.
I found out from the bible that Christ is the church. As Christians, we are God's temple/God's sanctuary/the temple of God. The temple/church of God is not a man made building made by human hands, nor is it made out of gold, silver, costly stones,
wood, hay or straw. The temple of god is Christ's body and our bodies, which our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives/dwells in us, whom we have received from God (1 Corinthians 6:12-20 + 19-20).
READ: 1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12:1-8, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, Ephesians 1:19-23, 1 Corinthians 11:3-16, 1 Corinthians 11:17-33, and Colossians 1:15-20.
We as Christians must know that the head of every man is Christ, and
the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God (1 Corinthians 11:3-16).

In (Hebrews 10:25 + Hebrews 10:19-25), it says we are not to forsake the assembly of ourselves together, that doesn't mean we must attend a church, no, it means that you need to gather up with other Christians just as Jesus gathered up with his 12 disciples.

You should gather up with other Christians that does not involve in the churches.

Like with many church goers and many religious fanatics, they don't live according to God's commandments, but according to the traditions of man. That will not saved them.
Jesus said, "They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men" (Mark 7:7 and Matthew 15:9).
The traditions of man are all destined to perish with use, because they are all based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence [meaning: Sinning; without self-control] (Colossians 2:6-23).

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MY QUOTE: THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH. READ IT AND OBEY ITS COMMANDS, IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE.

People should just simply read a bible and have the Holy Spirit guide them into all truth.
Obey and keep God's commandments. Also, follow Christ and Paul's example through the word of God. It's not that hard to do!

FROM THE WORDS OF PAUL:
Ephesians 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

Romans 16:17-18 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

 

[Albion]

No denomination churches are right. Why are they not right? Because it causes division against the body of Christ.

But, as you can witness, many say that they are not to blame for that...it's everyone else who won't stay with or join them and have unity.

 

[ObeyGODCommandments]

No denomination churches are right. Why are they not right? Because it causes division against the body of Christ. Remember, God is NOT an author of confusion, but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33). He will not allow the body to be divided against each other. The true church is Christ, he is the head of the church. No other man is ahead of the church other than our Lord Jesus Christ. That is what the bible teaches. Verse Matthew 23:8-12 makes it clear that we only have one teacher, and that is Christ.

Read Hebrews 8. According to the New Covenant, we are only permitted to confess our God the (Father). God permitted Jesus our (Lord) to be our High Priest. He is our High Priest and we are only permitted to be taught by God and Jesus through the Holy Spirit. We are not to confess our sins to (worldly) Priests since Priests of this generation are not permitted by God to wash away people's sins.

ACCORDING TO GOD'S OWN WORDS THROUGH THE PROPHETS:
No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more" (Jeremiah 31:34 and Hebrews 8:11-13).
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me (John 6:45).

People should not need to rely on going to church to know the truth. God/The prophets/Jesus/Paul never mentioned in the bible that we have to attend a church in order to make it into the Kingdom of God/heaven. READ: John 3:16, John 14:6, John 6:44-51, and Ephesians 2:8-9. We are only called to obey God's commandments and we are also called to persevere/endure to the end in order to make it into the Kingdom of God.
I use to think that being a Christian/Catholic was to go to church, to take communion classes, and to do my confessions, but as I got older, I found out that most of the Churches that are promoting heresies and false doctrines are being operated/run by Pharisees, Pagans, and Sadduccees.
I was completely disillusioned when I became aware of the heresies and false doctrines that are being taught in the churches. Read "False Teachers and Their Destruction" (2 Peter 2:1). Read "Warning Against False Teachers of the Law" (1 Timothy 1:3-11). Also read these warning verses such as Mark 12:38-40, Matthew 23/Matthew 23:13-15, Matthew 5:17-20, and James 3.
I found out from the bible that Christ is the church. As Christians, we are God's temple/God's sanctuary/the temple of God. The temple/church of God is not a man made building made by human hands, nor is it made out of gold, silver, costly stones,
wood, hay or straw. The temple of god is Christ's body and our bodies, which our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives/dwells in us, whom we have received from God (1 Corinthians 6:12-20 + 19-20).
READ: 1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12:1-8, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, Ephesians 1:19-23, 1 Corinthians 11:3-16, 1 Corinthians 11:17-33, and Colossians 1:15-20.
We as Christians must know that the head of every man is Christ, and
the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God (1 Corinthians 11:3-16).

In (Hebrews 10:25 + Hebrews 10:19-25), it says we are not to forsake the assembly of ourselves together, that doesn't mean we must attend a church, no, it means that you need to gather up with other Christians just as Jesus gathered up with his 12 disciples.

You should gather up with other Christians that does not involve in the churches.

Like with many church goers and many religious fanatics, they don't live according to God's commandments, but according to the traditions of man. That will not saved them.
Jesus said, "They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men" (Mark 7:7 and Matthew 15:9).
The traditions of man are all destined to perish with use, because they are all based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence [meaning: Sinning; without self-control] (Colossians 2:6-23).

================================================================================

MY QUOTE: THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH. READ IT AND OBEY ITS COMMANDS, IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE.

People should just simply read a bible and have the Holy Spirit guide them into all truth.
Obey and keep God's commandments. Also, follow Christ and Paul's example through the word of God. It's not that hard to do!

FROM THE WORDS OF PAUL:
Ephesians 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

Romans 16:17-18 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.