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My partner had his bike stolen over the weekend. The security garage door was broken (left open), and when we went to ride bikes, his was gone.
Now, most people would think, "Stealing is wrong because you are taking the property of someone else, and it doesn't belong to you."
But it was deeper than that. He really likes to ride his bike, and rides it to work every day, and now he can't. He felt angry at the people of Toronto in general, feeling like it is a dishonest and distrust city of people. Every bike we passed he would look at to see if it was his. He also felt kind of violate, like, someone who is touching your stuff, someone who has broken into your house, or taken away your feeling of security.
Most people would only think about the person stealing the bike. They rarely think about the person that is the victim of the incident.
I was mugged in 2001, had my head split open for $30 and an old 80s leather coat. I still return, occasional, to the fear of that night, and I'm sure the perp simply thinks of it as stealing my stuff. He took far more than that.
Want to know which is worse?
Talk about how you would feel if you really needed help, and no one would help you, or how you would feel if someone raped you, and how long that short action would stay with you, and how it would manifest itself.
Now, most people would think, "Stealing is wrong because you are taking the property of someone else, and it doesn't belong to you."
But it was deeper than that. He really likes to ride his bike, and rides it to work every day, and now he can't. He felt angry at the people of Toronto in general, feeling like it is a dishonest and distrust city of people. Every bike we passed he would look at to see if it was his. He also felt kind of violate, like, someone who is touching your stuff, someone who has broken into your house, or taken away your feeling of security.
Most people would only think about the person stealing the bike. They rarely think about the person that is the victim of the incident.
I was mugged in 2001, had my head split open for $30 and an old 80s leather coat. I still return, occasional, to the fear of that night, and I'm sure the perp simply thinks of it as stealing my stuff. He took far more than that.
Want to know which is worse?
Talk about how you would feel if you really needed help, and no one would help you, or how you would feel if someone raped you, and how long that short action would stay with you, and how it would manifest itself.
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I agree with talitha's first reponse,
But when it comes to hospitality and material help for the poor, I think examination of the NT shows that avoiding sexual immorailty gets as much if not more teaching.
In fact its a very astute thread question as humanism would say charity is more important than sexual immorality.
But when it comes to hospitality and material help for the poor, I think examination of the NT shows that avoiding sexual immorailty gets as much if not more teaching.
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To Beanieboy,
But for a Christian I would say stealing is wrong because God says so. (ie Mark 7) Some of those people who dont believe in God may disagree with you
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To b&wpac4,
To love God and to love one another. One cant love God if one's idea of loving one another is detestible to God.
Thats why the second command is like the first, it comes out of it. But one has to love God before one can know how to love another.
To love God and to love one another. One cant love God if one's idea of loving one another is detestible to God.
Thats why the second command is like the first, it comes out of it. But one has to love God before one can know how to love another.
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Wow. So, instead of focusing on how you should be loving your neighbor, you would rather focus on how you shouldn't be loving them?
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To B&wpac4,
What do mean instead of, quite the contray to love one's neighbour comes from loving God.
I mean I sex to eat chocolate and I also sex it in the summertime and the sunshine.
There are many things I really sex to do .. sorry I mean love not sex.
What do mean instead of, quite the contray to love one's neighbour comes from loving God.
I mean I sex to eat chocolate and I also sex it in the summertime and the sunshine.
There are many things I really sex to do .. sorry I mean love not sex.
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I mean that you want to focus on sexual immorality instead of helping those in need. Ever read Isaiah 1?
16 wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds
out of my sight!
Stop doing wrong, 17 learn to do right!
Seek justice,
encourage the oppressed.
Defend the cause of the fatherless,
plead the case of the widow.
Learn to do right is there, with a list of right actions. You should be helping others, not wondering if they are keeping it in their pants!
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To b&wpac4,
Of course I have read Isaiah 1, it says for us to take evil deeds out of God’s sight and help the oppressed. As we can see from the rest of the Bible same sex relations are part of those evil deeds.
You asked me about my faith and I have told you, so now you know.
I don’t want to focus on sexual immorality I have said both equally, of you don’t want to listen to what I have to say why not debate with yourself.
Of course I have read Isaiah 1, it says for us to take evil deeds out of God’s sight and help the oppressed. As we can see from the rest of the Bible same sex relations are part of those evil deeds.
You asked me about my faith and I have told you, so now you know.
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Well, exactly. Your deeds are yours to focus on. What your neighbors are doing makes no difference to how YOU are supposed to act. I find the call to love your neighbor and provide charity to be the highest commandment. Nothing else is as important.
You should stop being so antagonistic toward others.
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To b&wpac4,
Well the OP question is addressed to Christians so you are incorrect as far as Christians are concerned as you will see from Galatians 6 and 1 Corinthians 5, and if you don’t see take it from me as a Christian.
Yes but that’s your creed, for Christians loving ones neighbour is second only to loving God and comes from it
perhaps we should all recognise that different people have different beliefs and try being a little more understanding of that in future.
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It depends on what you mean by sexual immorality. Adultery, child molestation & rape are both terrible things no matter what, who, when, where or why. My very first long-term girlfriend cheated on me with one of my best friends, and it deeply affected me, perhaps moreso than any commericial about poor, miserable starving children in Africa ever did. Should it have? No. But it did.
The above is my idea of sexual immorality. Of course, conservative Christianity would also add to that list premarital sex & homosexuality as being equally immoral and evil. I would disagree, for the simple reason that lives aren't ruined by either and nobody is hurt physically, emotionally, or financially as a result.
If however we are adressing said conservative Christians, I'd be the first to say "Lack of Charity". I'm sorry but franchised Churches with movie theaters and rec centers are NOT what the Jesus I was raised to believe in would be proud of. I am not a fan of conservative christianity by any stretch of the imagination, and if people act in a hypocritical or judgemental manner without first examing themselves and their own faults I do call them out on it every time.
Guess what faith the biggest hypocrites of this country are. Yep, Evangelical Christianity.
In conclusion: Lack of Charity for holier-than-thou wealthy congregations, and sexual immorality (not including premartial sex or homosexuality) for much of society.
I think stealing is wrong because you are taking something somebody else values and earned with their hard-earned money and claiming it for your own, not because "god says so" and I believe in God.
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Friends,
One own view is either in line or not with God's.
Gen 2, Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, Matt 19, Mark 7, 1 Cor 5, 6, 7, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1 etc.
God'd view is man and woman in uion or celibacy with same sex relations error.
One own view is either in line or not with God's.
Gen 2, Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, Matt 19, Mark 7, 1 Cor 5, 6, 7, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1 etc.
God'd view is man and woman in uion or celibacy with same sex relations error.
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Hey, did you know that sexual immorality is MORE than just homosexuality? It's an entire gambit of activities in the Bible. Homosexuality would be a very small portion of it.
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