Which dimension does God live in?

[RisingSpirit]

How many angels can fit on the head of a pin? The tragedy of western philosophy is that it is fixated with questions that don't matter.

A zen koan: what is the color of 3?

 

[brightlights]

A zen koan: what is the color of 3?

Isn't the purpose of a koan to help you think differently? That's pretty cool.

The purpose of much of western philosophy is to accumulate knowledge that has no practical use.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Isn't the purpose of a koan to help you think differently? That's pretty cool.

The purpose of much of western philosophy is to accumulate knowledge that has no practical use.

Yes, because the US constitution - a document built upon 4000 years of Western philosophy - has no practical use. Because the scientific method - a set of principles and methods developed over 4000 years of Western philosophy - has no practical use.

Oh wait...

 

[RisingSpirit]

Yes, because the US constitution - a document built upon 4000 years of Western philosophy - has no practical use. Because the scientific method - a set of principles and methods developed over 4000 years of Western philosophy - has no practical use.

Oh wait...

All of human language has no practical use. Thats the meaning of totally deprived that makes Calvinist ring true.

Thats the reason for the 'ah ha !" moment but can't be explained to another humans.

Most are every day people and will never clear their minds enough to see that God is the ruler and creates time /space that you live in.

Free willers deny time/space and think they're ruler of the universe where time begins with them.

In other words, God is much faster than you think. Too fast to be explained in everyday human language.

Another Koan, "Who am I?"

Thats why the Elects have to be quiet and let the arminians run on their own natural course they were born with, sin

 

[RisingSpirit]

Isn't the purpose of a koan to help you think differently? That's pretty cool.

The purpose of much of western philosophy is to accumulate knowledge that has no practical use.

Westerns divide things, eastern combine things as "one"

Westerns wants to rule apart from God and Easterns see God as one with everything else meaning that it is true, as the Calvinist states, that God does the choosing and man is totally helpless in choosing God.

When God chooses, it's called "GRACE"

Thats the good news to the Elects.

Free Will is bad news to the unregenerates since the gift of faith didn't fall onto their laps. When that happens, they create thier own version of faith where human language created it and thats the divisions that separates them from the creator of time/space and put themselves one second too late. Here is the key: What happens during one second before a single human thought begins?

If thats a mystery then the unregenrates should leave it alone and let God rule the universe. But "NO !", The goats like and love the traditions of men. It's the only thing that makes sense to them.

Totally deprived means you can't make sense out of God's works

 

[RisingSpirit]

My real question o the day is this:
Can an atheist say," I believe in Jesus or God" just for the fun of it or to let others think differently about the secret atheists?

What is the difference between a secret atheist and an arminians since they both have pure free will and can do or say whatever they want?

 

[bricklayer]

By definition, dimensions are limits.
God does not have material, spatial or temporal limits.

Dimensions are Godly constructs not Godly constraints.

God is not physical; He is metaphysical
God is not spatial; He is spiritual.
God is not temporal; He is eternal.

 

[brightlights]

Yes, because the US constitution - a document built upon 4000 years of Western philosophy - has no practical use. Because the scientific method - a set of principles and methods developed over 4000 years of Western philosophy - has no practical use.

Oh wait...

These are useful things but they're a few hundred years old. Can you think of any recent contributions from western philosophy?

 

[brightlights]

And I might add that the US constitution was more a result of reformation theology than western philosophy.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

These are useful things but they're a few hundred years old. Can you think of any recent contributions from western philosophy?

Yes: every single scientific and medical advancement is a contribution from Western philosophy.

More generally, new technology has broached new subjects in philosophy, including serious contemplations about our place in the universe (did you know the concept of a galaxy is only about a century old?), about the nature of first contact with an alien civilisation, about the ethics and politics of colonising space, about what it would mean to call ourselves a 'species' if our extinct cousins were around, or if the human species were to change, etc.

In morality, the very concept of human rights is a major development in ethical and inter-political thinking, one which arose out of the atrocities of World War 2. More recent still, that we now have the capability to wipe out all human life has also prompted new thinking in the ethics of not merely genocide, but omnicide. More recent still, the realisation that our industry is aggressively destroying the habitability of the planet has also broached new ground in the philosophy of the limits of human sovereignty.

In mathematics, we continue to expand our understanding of the very fundamental concepts of logic, shape, and number. The existence of personal computing means that problems in algorithm and function, as well as intractible but model-able mathematical problems, are being explored. These have uses in all things scientific, from allowing the construction of the LHC to improving our understanding of biology (e.g., knowing how proteins folds brings us closer to a cure for Alzheimer's).

And this is just those advancements in Western philosophy that have yielded direct and obvious practical results. Philosophy for its own sake, such as (for good or ill) logical positivism, has also advanced.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

All of human language has no practical use. Thats the meaning of totally deprived that makes Calvinist ring true.

Thats the reason for the 'ah ha !" moment but can't be explained to another humans.

Most are every day people and will never clear their minds enough to see that God is the ruler and creates time /space that you live in.

Free willers deny time/space and think they're ruler of the universe where time begins with them.

In other words, God is much faster than you think. Too fast to be explained in everyday human language.

Another Koan, "Who am I?"

Thats why the Elects have to be quiet and let the arminians run on their own natural course they were born with, sin

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes: every single scientific and medical advancement is a contribution from Western philosophy.

More generally, new technology has broached new subjects in philosophy, including serious contemplations about our place in the universe (did you know the concept of a galaxy is only about a century old?), about the nature of first contact with an alien civilisation, about the ethics and politics of colonising space, about what it would mean to call ourselves a 'species' if our extinct cousins were around, or if the human species were to change, etc.

In morality, the very concept of human rights is a major development in ethical and inter-political thinking, one which arose out of the atrocities of World War 2. More recent still, that we now have the capability to wipe out all human life has also prompted new thinking in the ethics of not merely genocide, but omnicide. More recent still, the realisation that our industry is aggressively destroying the habitability of the planet has also broached new ground in the philosophy of the limits of human sovereignty.

In mathematics, we continue to expand our understanding of the very fundamental concepts of logic, shape, and number. The existence of personal computing means that problems in algorithm and function, as well as intractible but model-able mathematical problems, are being explored. These have uses in all things scientific, from allowing the construction of the LHC to improving our understanding of biology (e.g., knowing how proteins folds brings us closer to a cure for Alzheimer's).

And this is just those advancements in Western philosophy that have yielded direct and obvious practical results. Philosophy for its own sake, such as (for good or ill) logical positivism, has also advanced.

 

[AndersenKC]

I know this is an old post, but I decided to chime in because I have interest in this subject.

It seems to me that the idea of dimensions is a manmade concept that allows for us to understand the Universe in an organized fashion. Let's pretend that humans were never created, and God exists alone. There would be no labeling of dimensions, no contemplating about parallel universes and all that jazz. Could it be that our understanding is limited by our cursed nature. To God I would think everything exists in 1 place in reality. But to humans it just looks like there are nth number of dimensions because we don't understand creation like God does. It may be all one creation, but God doesn't allow us to see the whole picture, Giving the illusion to us that there are these mysterious extra dimensions that we don't know about. But in reality, they are very normal to God. Just some thoughts on that.

 

[DennisTate]

I know this is an old post, but I decided to chime in because I have interest in this subject.

It seems to me that the idea of dimensions is a manmade concept that allows for us to understand the Universe in an organized fashion. Let's pretend that humans were never created, and God exists alone. There would be no labeling of dimensions, no contemplating about parallel universes and all that jazz. Could it be that our understanding is limited by our cursed nature. To God I would think everything exists in 1 place in reality. But to humans it just looks like there are nth number of dimensions because we don't understand creation like God does. It may be all one creation, but God doesn't allow us to see the whole picture, Giving the illusion to us that there are these mysterious extra dimensions that we don't know about. But in reality, they are very normal to God. Just some thoughts on that.

Good points!


"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

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"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)​

 

[Kylie]

As humans we live in a 3 dimensional world. In quantum physics it is accepted that 11 dimensions is the maximum you can get up to. Would it make sense then, that if we have a God who observes us, he lives one level up in the 4th dimension, with the 4th dimension being time, which would make us nothing more than a sculpture to him. This would mean he can see the beginning and the end of time at any point. It would also mean are futures are determined, and that we don't have free will.

It also raises the question of whether God has a God above him...

This link nicely explains dimensions in case you are baffled: YouTube

We also exist in time. It's why we have a concept of past, present and future.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

And if god made us in his physical image then he has a penis, testicles, and nipples, just as we do. And that makes no sense as I really doubt he reproduces as we do, and I doubt he would have any more use for nipples than human males do.

Maybe he thought nipple piercings looked awesome?

Can't have that without a nipple!

 

[ThinkForYourself]

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In other words, God is much faster than you think. Too fast to be explained in everyday human language.
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Not really, it took him days to create the earth. A day is a time unit understood by all of us.

As well, he created the heavens in one day. (Luckily all he had to do was create a bunch of little lights, or it would have taken a lot longer considering it took days just to create the earth.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Maybe he thought nipple piercings looked awesome?

Can't have that without a nipple!

He was, however, utterly opposed to humans piercing their glorbnax.

Not really, it took him days to create the earth. A day is a time unit understood by all of us.

As well, he created the heavens in one day. (Luckily all he had to do was create a bunch of little lights, or it would have taken a lot longer considering it took days just to create the earth.

My pet hypothesis is that the Hebrews said God made X on day Y to emphasise the 'steps' of creation - stuff on the first day was made before the stuff on the second day. I don't think the Hebrews meant it to be taken as six literal consecutive 24-hour periods.

On the other hand, I believe the Hebrews genuinely thought the world was a few thousand years old. It kinda sorta makes sense that with their rich oral tradition, the names and deeds of long-dead ancestors would be half remembered - Adam, Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc - and humans' tendency to exaggerate would inflate their minor deeds (survived a flood in his boat) to major ones (survive a flood of the whole world in his boat that carried every animal ever). These ancestors would genuinely stretch back through some hundreds or thousands of years, hence the conclusion drawn by Bishop Ussher.

 

[DennisTate]

He was, however, utterly opposed to humans piercing their glorbnax.


My pet hypothesis is that the Hebrews said God made X on day Y to emphasise the 'steps' of creation - stuff on the first day was made before the stuff on the second day. I don't think the Hebrews meant it to be taken as six literal consecutive 24-hour periods.

On the other hand, I believe the Hebrews genuinely thought the world was a few thousand years old. It kinda sorta makes sense that with their rich oral tradition, the names and deeds of long-dead ancestors would be half remembered - Adam, Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc - and humans' tendency to exaggerate would inflate their minor deeds (survived a flood in his boat) to major ones (survive a flood of the whole world in his boat that carried every animal ever). These ancestors would genuinely stretch back through some hundreds or thousands of years, hence the conclusion drawn by Bishop Ussher.

What do you think of the idea that we may be living within a hologram?


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The universe is a hologram and everything you can see - including this article and the device you are reading it on - is a mere projection.
This is according to a controversial model proposed in 1997 by theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena.
Until now the bizarre theory had never been tested, but recent mathematical models suggest that the mind-boggling principle could be true.

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[AustinMiles89]

we actually live in four dimensions. the fourth being time-space.
and we can infer up to ten.
God, being omnipresent, exists in all dimensions. beyond even our own. and the very fact that we have a physical reality within which to exist is only a temporary framework created by God.
there is No god above God.
that would render His Word as faulty. which is a debate all its own.
but the only way for any of the proposed theories to be possible, would mean that God, Christ, The Word, all of it, is meaningless dribble and the closest thing to truth anyone has ever found is the contemplations of their own mind.
but there is a problem with that.
The Word can indeed be proven true, accurate, and as having been penned by God.