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Which dimension does God live in?

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The god of our realm
As opposed to other gods, and other realms?

runs the 7 lower dimensions,
What do you mean by 'lower dimension', how do you know there are seven of them, and how do you know "the god of our realm" runs them?

the most High transcends everything, and is the all.
That is not a proper English sentence. Could you rephrase, please?

The forces of darkness will be booted out of the 7 dimensions and thrown into abyss,
What are these "forces of darkness"?

and Logos (son of the most high)
Jesus?

will rule them at forefront.
At the forefront of what?
 
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I would say that "TIME" doesn't allow for man to have free will. The only thing man can to is observe and act on the observation. That ain't free will, though. It's slaved/Captive will just like the Bible said. Time has made us captive.
If we don't have free will, we're not culpable for any action (or inaction) on our part. So, given that, why do dead humans go to Hell?
 
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I think this question is a false dilemma. God is both temporal and atemporal.
The two are mutually exclusive. Unless you're saying God is actually a conglomeration of several distinct deities, he can no more be both temporaland atemportal, then I can be both married and a bachelor.
 
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If we don't have free will, we're not culpable for any action (or inaction) on our part. So, given that, why do dead humans go to Hell?

We act to whatever comes to our minds meaning it takes a while for anything to come to our minds.
What and who put the thoughts there before we act on it. Theres no free will to a thought we didn't create.
Hell may come after judgement day but in out time, we go to the grave.
 
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Yes as opposed to other gods and realms, yahweh is a demigod who was created through a mirror image of Logos, yahweh is a jealous and wrathful god and is not the most High but believes himself to be through his ignorance.

I cant say how many dimensions there are, but the demiurge(yahweh) runs the 7 dimensions, the highest being the heaven he created. I believe scientist think that there can only be 11 dimensions according to string theory or something of the like. But for all we know there are billions.

The most High whom is the creator of the All (everything that is) is unknowable and does not interfere with the lower realms but allows them to carry on as they do, but well he does not interfere he is in everything at once.

The Logos the Son of the most high, ultimately created this universe and its demi god who in turn created other demi gods and angels...The Logos did come into human form, and that was Jesus, but Jesus was an avatar, in other words Jesus was the son, of the son of man.

The demiurge currently rules this realm, but he will be thrown into the abyss, and the Logos will rule at the forefront (so not from behind the scenes) of this universe, and another avatar of the Logos will also rule on this planet as well. The logos has come in human form multiple times, through different sagas of this planet. And he will currently be here now for the 11th time.
 
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We act to whatever comes to our minds meaning it takes a while for anything to come to our minds.
What and who put the thoughts there before we act on it. Theres no free will to a thought we didn't create.
Hell may come after judgement day but in out time, we go to the grave.
But what would be judged? Our actions are not our own - we didn't choose to kill that person or give to that charity, as we don't have free will. When God comes down and judges us, by all rights he shouldn't do anything, as there's nothing that's happened for which we can be judged.

So, on judgement day, what is going to be judged?
 
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But what would be judged? Our actions are not our own - we didn't choose to kill that person or give to that charity, as we don't have free will. When God comes down and judges us, by all rights he shouldn't do anything, as there's nothing that's happened for which we can be judged.

So, on judgement day, what is going to be judged?
The mother more likely contributed the shooter to shoot the children at Sandy. As a group, other people cause others to do what they do. 4 cars on each side of me cause me not to be able to move my car. God puts things there but you do the action.

God already judged anyway since He has already chosen who the Elects are.
 
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The two are mutually exclusive. Unless you're saying God is actually a conglomeration of several distinct deities, he can no more be both temporaland atemportal, then I can be both married and a bachelor.
Again, there are three distinct persons, each with a differing ontology. For example, the Father is not incarnated, the Son is. If the Son is incarnate, he is technically temporal, and yet he is God. Yet the Father is not temporal, as He is not incarnated, and so He would remain atemporal.

God is one Deity existent as three distinct persons. You are just one being existent as one person.
 
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The mother more likely contributed the shooter to shoot the children at Sandy. As a group, other people cause others to do what they do. 4 cars on each side of me cause me not to be able to move my car. God puts things there but you do the action.
But per your original claim, we don't have free will. The action is there, but no free will did it.

Or are you saying that God judges us on actions we have no control over (like being boxed in)?
 
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Again, there are three distinct persons, each with a differing ontology. For example, the Father is not incarnated, the Son is. If the Son is incarnate, he is technically temporal, and yet he is God. Yet the Father is not temporal, as He is not incarnated, and so He would remain atemporal.
So you're a modalist - in 'Father' mode, he is atemporal, etc; in 'Son' mode, he is incarnate, temporal, etc.

How does God switch from 'Father' mode to 'Son' mode, since that would entail a change, and thus temporality?

God is one Deity existent as three distinct persons.
And my car is one object of 100 distinct parts, and my dog is one creature existence 10[sup]12[/sup] distinct cells.

You are just one being existent as one person.
'Being' and 'person' would seem to be synonymous, yet since you assert that God is one 'being' and three 'persons' simultaneously, I think some definitions wouldn't go amiss. So, what are yours?
 
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It is assumed The Lord (Father Son and Holy Spirit) lives outside of time, and I assume most Christians would accept this, and believe that Heaven is where He dwells with other Saints and Angels. So how does he interact with His creation? I have no reasoned answer for this (apart from my faith) and like what wiccan wiccan child has argued. If the Lord did live in a dimension then would this be used for his existence? And if time travel were possible He could be reached in the dimension
 
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But per your original claim, we don't have free will. The action is there, but no free will did it.

Or are you saying that God judges us on actions we have no control over (like being boxed in)?

If you're on the time/space end, you'll view that you made the choices.
If you're not on time/space, then you'll view the choices to be made elsewhere or any choice being involved.

When God views His own end during time/space AND without time/space, then God just thought of an Elect and made sure that Elect stays Elect all by Himself without any help from the elect/man.

It's incredibly goofy for an armininan to claim God doesn't know who will chose or God chooses base of what the free will arminian does down the road of his life in the future.

To the Calvinist, it's safer to have both views to cover all the ends but it's dangerous for the arminain to have only one view, free will, and not give God any breathing room as if He is a cage.

i would not dare think such a thought like that. Lord NO !
 
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So you're a modalist - in 'Father' mode, he is atemporal, etc; in 'Son' mode, he is incarnate, temporal, etc.
No, what I have stated is not Modalism. Modalism is the view that there is the Father, then Son, and then Holy Spirit. In other words, these 'modes' are never simultaneous, existing only after one another. What I said was God is one being existent as three distinct persons, the doctrine of the Trinity, which means all three persons exist simultaneously.

How does God switch from 'Father' mode to 'Son' mode, since that would entail a change, and thus temporality?
God does not need to switch as again both the Father and Son exist simultaneously.

And my car is one object of 100 distinct parts, and my dog is one creature existence 10[sup]12[/sup] distinct cells.
And your point is? Can one of your distinct car parts operate in some efficient fashion that it would as if it were all one object?

'Being' and 'person' would seem to be synonymous, yet since you assert that God is one 'being' and three 'persons' simultaneously, I think some definitions wouldn't go amiss. So, what are yours?
The only way I can make sense of this is to say that "being" is defined as the qualities that constitute an existing thing. "Essence" would be synonymous with this. "Person" is defined as who one is.
 
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That link is based on a work of science fiction. It has nothing to do with string or m-theory.

I have came to suspect strongly that God planned and choreographed a nearly infinite number of Big Bang events over infinite time in the past because fundamental energy would exist the most recent Big Bang event of roughly 13.72 billion years ago...by infinite time!

The Creator would exist in all dimensions...but would in my opinion be the only thinking being in fundamental energy, which I suspect would be the eleventh and tenth dimension?!


Dogmatic Atheists Lack Mathematical Aptitude.
 
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Working and planning and organizing an infinite number of Big Bang events over infinite time would tend to make one intensely emotionally involved in the creations...us!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7695357/


Could God be the most emotional being in the universe????
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“When My Father moves His little finger, the whole universe trembles. To shake the nations with words does not impress anyone who dwells here. But when even the least of My brethren on earth shows love, it brings joy to My Father’s heart. When even the most humble church sings to My Father with true love in their hearts, He silences all of heaven to listen to them. He knows that one cannot help but to worship when they are beholding His glory here,but when those who are living in such darkness and difficulty sing with true hearts to Him, it touches Him more than all of the myriads of heaven can.

“Many times, the broken notes from earth caused all of heaven to weep with joy as they beheld My Father being touched. A few holy ones struggling to express their adoration for Him has many times caused Him to weep.Every time I see My brethren touch Him with true worship, it makes the pain and grief I knew on the cross seem like a small price to pay. Nothing brings Me more joy than when you worship My Father. I went to the cross so that you could worship Him through Me. It is in this worship that you, the Father and I are all one.” (Pastor Rick Joyner, chapter 15, page 85, The Vision)

TheVision The Final Quest the Call RickJoyner PDF
 
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No, what I have stated is not Modalism. Modalism is the view that there is the Father, then Son, and then Holy Spirit. In other words, these 'modes' are never simultaneous, existing only after one another.
Not at all: a woman can be a daughter, sister, and mother, three 'modes' that exist simultaneously. Modalism states that, to a given believer, God might appear in Jesus mode, or Holy Spirit mode, etc; Jesus mode is not Holy Spirit mode, just as daughterhood is not sisterhood, but nonetheless the person is the same.

What I said was God is one being existent as three distinct persons, the doctrine of the Trinity, which means all three persons exist simultaneously.
"One being existent as three distinct persons" - could you define the operative verb, 'existent'?

God does not need to switch as again both the Father and Son exist simultaneously.
As does a woman's motherhood and daughterhood... Modalism through and through :)

The only way I can make sense of this is to say that "being" is defined as the qualities that constitute an existing thing. "Essence" would be synonymous with this.
So, when you say that God is "one being existent as three persons", these three persons all share the same set of qualities. That sounds like Mormonism or Tri-Theism - the 'essence' of God is just some set of traits, akin to how two identical cars have the same 'essence of car'.

"Person" is defined as who one is.
And what does that mean?
 
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Not at all: a woman can be a daughter, sister, and mother, three 'modes' that exist simultaneously. Modalism states that, to a given believer, God might appear in Jesus mode, or Holy Spirit mode, etc; Jesus mode is not Holy Spirit mode, just as daughterhood is not sisterhood, but nonetheless the person is the same.
Not at all what? Modalism denies the co - existence of the three persons. There are never the Father and the Son existing at the same time according to Modalism. That's what it is, and I have not said that.

"One being existent as three distinct persons" - could you define the operative verb, 'existent'?
In this context I would say it means to have self awareness and consciousness.

As does a woman's motherhood and daughterhood... Modalism through and through :)
No, that is not Modalism. Modalism does not affirm the view that all three persons exist simultaneously. I am not sure why you think they do when that is exactly why it is considered unorthodox.

So, when you say that God is "one being existent as three persons", these three persons all share the same set of qualities. That sounds like Mormonism or Tri-Theism - the 'essence' of God is just some set of traits, akin to how two identical cars have the same 'essence of car'.
You do know Mormonism denies the idea that the three persons are not the same being or substance, right? That is in stark contrast with what I said. I don't know if they think all three have the same qualities, and if they do that is fine because that is what the doctrine of the Trinity states too.

Nor is this Tritheism. That states that there are three gods, not three persons. I am not saying three gods but one God, and three persons who are each the same one God. That means they are all equally omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, etc. That, also unlike Tritheism, means that they do not come together to form one god.

And what does that mean?
What does "who are you?" mean?
 
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As humans we live in a 3 dimensional world. In quantum physics it is accepted that 11 dimensions is the maximum you can get up to. Would it make sense then, that if we have a God who observes us, he lives one level up in the 4th dimension, with the 4th dimension being time, which would make us nothing more than a sculpture to him. This would mean he can see the beginning and the end of time at any point. It would also mean are futures are determined, and that we don't have free will.

It also raises the question of whether God has a God above him...

This link nicely explains dimensions in case you are baffled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU1fixMAObI&feature=related

How many angels can fit on the head of a pin? The tragedy of western philosophy is that it is fixated with questions that don't matter.
 
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