Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath?

[prodromos]

Luke was not one of the twelve but was a disciple of Paul's, yet his writings are acceptable. Why not Ignatius?

 

[lmnop9876]

St. John the Evangelist was the writer of the Gospel of John.

 

[Debi1967]

St. John the Evangelist was the writer of the Gospel of John.

Actually the Apostle John or St... John the Evangelist as he is called in the Church are the one in the same ....

The apostle John wrote not only the Gospel but also 1st 2nd and 3rd john and the book of Revelation ... they are all the works of ONE Writer

 

[PaleHorse]

Luke was not one of the twelve but was a disciple of Paul's, yet his writings are acceptable. Why not Ignatius?

Well for one, just as you noted, he was vouched for by Paul himself. Also, there in nothing in the Gospel of Luke that contradicts with the other three gospels that talk of Christ's time here on earth - so that in itself lends credibility. The gospel of Luke was written in about 64-70 A.D., whereas Ignatius wrote in roughly 135 A.D. - a lot can/does change in 65 years and I see it as error to be frank. Lastly, Mark also vouched for him.

 

[lmnop9876]

Hi Cliff2, In Matthew 28 it should read, In the end of the sabbath's as it began to dawn toward the first of the sabbath's. God made all things new on Sunday.

this is a correct translation. the word Sabbath was often used for the entire week.

Actually the Apostle John or St... John the Evangelist as he is called in the Church are the one in the same ....

The apostle John wrote not only the Gospel but also 1st 2nd and 3rd john and the book of Revelation ... they are all the works of ONE Writer

I know. St. John the Apostle, Theologian, and Evangelist penned the fourth Gospel, the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and at least the first letter attributed to him. he may also have written the second and third letters, however, some of the early church fathers and councils referred to the writer of these as 'another John, a presbyter.'

 

[lmnop9876]

some more detail on 'the first of the Sabbaths...'
the same word "sabbaton" is used to describe the Sabbath day and an entire week. it is also used in Acts, the disciples came together on the first of the week (sabbaton), which shows that it doesn't necessarily mean Christ's rising was the first of the sabbaths. it was the word for week.
on the first day of the week, the New Testament Church assembled together, broke bread and shared a meal together, were instructed from God's Word, and collected their offerings for the poor. it can also probably be assumed that they prayed together as well, as i can't imagine an early church assembly with preaching and breaking of bread wouldn't also have included prayer.

 

[TrustAndObey]

some more detail on 'the first of the Sabbaths...'
the same word "sabbaton" is used to describe the Sabbath day and an entire week. it is also used in Acts, the disciples came together on the first of the week (sabbaton), which shows that it doesn't necessarily mean Christ's rising was the first of the sabbaths. it was the word for week.
on the first day of the week, the New Testament Church assembled together, broke bread and shared a meal together, were instructed from God's Word, and collected their offerings for the poor. it can also probably be assumed that they prayed together as well, as i can't imagine an early church assembly with preaching and breaking of bread wouldn't also have included prayer.

Every one of the verses that mention the first day of the week have the word "day" italicized.

I agree that they met on the first day of the week to break bread. Acts 2:46 tells us they met EVERY day to break bread. I imagine they prayed every day then.

I agree with you that breaking bread means eating a meal.

 

[TrustAndObey]

It is funny that you all say that you will only listen to Scripture but when the Scripture is right there for you to see you will not address it and say that it is not true .... Are you saying that the word of God is not true when I am backing up my argument SCRIPTURALLY.... Because several times now I have posted the scriptures and several times now instead of the scriptures being addressed they are ignored and all I get is this is not true and then we are back to the argument did they have the authoprity even if it is true when in fact I can prove scripturally again that God gave them the authority Himself .... What does it say in the Bible about calling God a liar?

Debi, you have told me YOURSELF that no one has the authority to change God's law or go against the teaching of scripture!

This is the last time I am going to allow you to imply that I think God is a liar.

 

[lmnop9876]

I agree with you that breaking bread means eating a meal.

no, breaking bread refers to the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection in the Eucharist. they broke bread and ate a meal
and they didn't necessarily break bread every day. it says they continued daily in the temple, and broke bread from house to house, not that they broke bread from house to house daily

Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 

[Cliff2]

this is a correct translation. the word Sabbath was often used for the entire week.

I know. St. John the Apostle, Theologian, and Evangelist penned the fourth Gospel, the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and at least the first letter attributed to him. he may also have written the second and third letters, however, some of the early church fathers and councils referred to the writer of these as 'another John, a presbyter.'

Have you any idea when John died?

Not sure myself but from a previous post John the Evangelist is quoted as making a statement in about 135 AD if my memory is correct.

 

[lmnop9876]

Have you any idea when John died?

Not sure myself but from a previous post John the Evangelist is quoted as making a statement in about 135 AD if my memory is correct.

St. John the Apostle could have died any time between 90 AD and 110 AD. the 135AD statement is from St. Justin Martyr

 

[PaleHorse]

no, breaking bread refers to the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection in the Eucharist. they broke bread and ate a meal
and they didn't necessarily break bread every day. it says they continued daily in the temple, and broke bread from house to house, not that they broke bread from house to house daily

Just a question, would you consider it strange to take Communion/Eucharist twice in one day or in one meeting?

 

[PaleHorse]

no, breaking bread refers to the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection in the Eucharist. they broke bread and ate a meal
and they didn't necessarily break bread every day. it says they continued daily in the temple, and broke bread from house to house, not that they broke bread from house to house daily

But did you read the rest of the verse? Let's look at it again:

Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The verse says clearly that daily they continued in the temple AND broke bread from house to house. Then it goes on to clarify that they were eating with gladness and singleness of heart. Now, we both know that taking Communion/Eucharist is not considered a meal - in fact to think upon it in that manner is sacrelidge. As such, the phrase "breaking bread" does not mean partaking in Communion/Eucharist.

 

[lmnop9876]

the Church is said to come together for to break bread. this was the whole purpose of their coming together. they came together to have the Eucharist and listen to Paul preach.
reading the verses in Acts 2, it says that the early disciples continued to worship every day in the Temple as before, as well as having their own gatherings for the purpose of breaking bread. the fact that they eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart could lend support to the idea that they were partaking of Communion. singleness of heart - fellowship or communion. gladness - thankfulness (i.e. Eucharist).

 

[PaleHorse]

the Church is said to come together for to break bread. this was the whole purpose of their coming together. they came together to have the Eucharist and listen to Paul preach.
reading the verses in Acts 2, it says that the early disciples continued to worship every day in the Temple as before, as well as having their own gatherings for the purpose of breaking bread. the fact that they eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart could lend support to the idea that they were partaking of Communion. singleness of heart - fellowship or communion. gladness - thankfulness (i.e. Eucharist).

But you have to admit that the text doesn't say anything about the Communion or Eucharist, so to say it does requires one to make possible symbolic connections that may or may not be there.

As for their coming together for to break bread still doesn't necessarily mean anything other than a meal. You don't think it would be a special occasion for them to come together during times of persecution and share a meal and fellowship?

Lastly, as I asked above, would you find it strange for someone to take Communion/Eucharist twice in one day or meeting?

 

[lmnop9876]

Lastly, as I asked above, would you find it strange for someone to take Communion/Eucharist twice in one day or meeting?

no i wouldn't.

 

[PaleHorse]

no i wouldn't.

So you have a precedence for this?

 

[Belegdae]

Its Saturday, the day of rest is Sunday =).

 

[PaleHorse]

Its Saturday, the day of rest is Sunday =).

According to the Catholic church, yes.

 

[Belegdae]

According to the Catholic church, yes.

Well, I'm not catholic, but, ok =)