Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath?

[Debi1967]

I have posted these links before and I am yet to see where there is a text that says the Sabbath has been changed.

Here they are again for you to look at.

I looked at it it does not address anything that I have posted Scripturally period

 

[PaleHorse]

umm just because it says Catholic in the title does not mean that it has the approval of the Church .... that is for one

Secondly since we believe that Peter is the first Pope and that all the Apostles were Holy Apostlic Catholic this would indeed mean that this is an accurate statement to an extent because it was instituted by the Apostles after Christ's death .... Therefore it is a Catholic institution.... but the fact remains that I have proven it Biblically because I have proven it through Scripture so therefore the latter part of that statement is inaccurate ..... The Catholic press is made up of mostly either Laity and/or people from all denominations. So therefore not all that comes from the Catholic Press is in line with the Holy SEE of Rome and our Teachings...


Why should the Church change Her stance on anything because this is not the Church's stance to begin with.... this is that of writer's that are saying their opinions and most of the publications that you have just pulled from are indeed all from the same source and that is from Catholic Press International....

I make sure that all references I give do in fact bear the Imprimitur of the Vatican City so that we can know it is an official Vatican document.

 

[Debi1967]

I have shown in my posts that the "rock" here is actually Jesus Christ. The Bible teels us that.

The Bible also says that the chief cornerstone is Jesus Christ.

The early Christian Church was built on Jesus Christ not Peter.

Christ when talking of this verse never meant that Peter was the rock. It is 'this rock"

That refers to Himself. Not Peter as many claim it to be.

I can post all the verses again if you want them

Jesus is of Course the Corner stone to the INVISIBLE Church, but not the VISIBLE one that HE left behind ..... Peter's name is ROCK thatis the actual meaning of His name so therefore in that verse, when he says You are thou Peter and upon this ROCK I shall build my Church he is speaking of Peter and this is evident in the verses before it cause Jesus changed his name to Peter/petra/Cephas.....


Mat 16:15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

He was Simon Bar-Jona and then the Lord Himself changed Simon's name to the ROCK and told him that he would build His Church upon this Rock with Christ of course being the cornerstone .... Christ is the Cornerstone and then comes Peter .... then in succession you need more rocks to build the Church so therefore .... through Apostolic succession the foundation of the Church was laid...

 

[Cliff2]

I looked at it it does not address anything that I have posted Scripturally period

I have also looked at them and there is no support in any of them for a Sunday Sabbath.

I went into

www.biblegateway.com

and typed in Sabbath.


Then all the texts with Sabbath came up.


Then I typed in

first day of the week.

All the texts withose words came up.

Not any support for Sunday as being the Sabbath.

So where do you get your Biblical support from?

I also have shown that Christ is the rock and not Peter.

Just where is your support?

 

[PaleHorse]

It is funny that you all say that you will only listen to Scripture but when the Scripture is right there for you to see you will not address it and say that it is not true .... Are you saying that the word of God is not true when I am backing up my argument SCRIPTURALLY.... Because several times now I have posted the scriptures and several times now instead of the scriptures being addressed they are ignored and all I get is this is not true and then we are back to the argument did they have the authoprity even if it is true when in fact I can prove scripturally again that God gave them the authority Himself .... What does it say in the Bible about calling God a liar?

I saw the verse above where Christ talks about building His church on the "rock". But the verse does not say that Peter was that rock. The "rock" has always been Jesus Christ.
Deuteronomy 32:15 - But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Deuteronomy 32:18 - Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
Psalms 62:7 - In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God.
Psalms 89:26 - He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Psalms 94:22 - But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
Psalms 95:1 - O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.


Also, just so that I make myself clear, the statement I made in regards to if the apostles made a change to God's law - it was rhetorical for none of the apostles ever did so.

 

[Debi1967]

I make sure that all references I give do in fact bear the Imprimitur of the Vatican City so that we can know it is an official Vatican document.

Which Impratur are you looking for because there are different ones ..... The one that comes from the Vatican is RARELY given to any secular magazine or anything else for that matter .... What you are seeing is an impratur from a BISHOP and that does not mean that the Bishop in question is in line fully with Rome .... It also still means that it is opinion and does not mean that we have to observe anything said in any of those magazines as doctrine .... because it is not unless it comes from the Catechism itself

 

[PaleHorse]

Jesus is of Course the Corner stone to the INVISIBLE Church, but not the VISIBLE one that HE left behind ..... Peter's name is ROCK thatis the actual meaning of His name so therefore in that verse, when he says You are thou Peter and upon this ROCK I shall build my Church he is speaking of Peter and this is evident in the verses before it cause Jesus changed his name to Peter/petra/Cephas.....


Mat 16:15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

He was Simon Bar-Jona and then the Lord Himself changed Simon's name to the ROCK and told him that he would build His Church upon this Rock with Christ of course being the cornerstone .... Christ is the Cornerstone and then comes Peter .... then in succession you need more rocks to build the Church so therefore .... through Apostolic succession the foundation of the Church was laid...

Ummm....Matt 16:18 does not say that Peter was renamed to "the Rock", but rather that Simon Bar-Jona was renamed to Peter.

 

[PaleHorse]

Which Impratur are you looking for because there are different ones ..... The one that comes from the Vatican is RARELY given to any secular magazine or anything else for that matter .... What you are seeing is an impratur from a BISHOP and that does not mean that the Bishop in question is in line fully with Rome .... It also still means that it is opinion and does not mean that we have to observe anything said in any of those magazines as doctrine .... because it is not unless it comes from the Catechism itself

I believe I was clear that I am referring to the Impratur of Vatican City.

Is "Our Sunday Visitor" considered secular?

 

[Debi1967]

Ummm....Matt 16:18 does not say that Peter was renamed to "the Rock", but rather that Simon Bar-Jona was renamed to Peter.

Strong's definition of Peter's name

G4074
Πέτρος

Petros

pet'-ros

Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.

G4074

Πέτρος

Petros

Thayer Definition:

Peter = "a rock or a stone"

1) one of the twelve disciples of Jesus

Part of Speech: noun proper masculine

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: apparently a primary word

Citing in TDNT: 6:100, 835

 

[PaleHorse]

Which Impratur are you looking for because there are different ones ..... The one that comes from the Vatican is RARELY given to any secular magazine or anything else for that matter .... What you are seeing is an impratur from a BISHOP and that does not mean that the Bishop in question is in line fully with Rome .... It also still means that it is opinion and does not mean that we have to observe anything said in any of those magazines as doctrine .... because it is not unless it comes from the Catechism itself

Okay then, here is one from the Catechism:
Cathechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 edition

2188 "In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."
2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).
2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.
2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 § 3).

I especially like how in 2189 the word "the" was substituted with the word "a", that makes all the difference in the world in terms of meaning. If you'd like I can show you how using "a" in place of "the" is incorrect translation.

 

[Debi1967]

I have also looked at them and there is no support in any of them for a Sunday Sabbath.

I went into

www.biblegateway.com

and typed in Sabbath.


Then all the texts with Sabbath came up.


Then I typed in

first day of the week.

All the texts withose words came up.

Not any support for Sunday as being the Sabbath.

So where do you get your Biblical support from?

I also have shown that Christ is the rock and not Peter.

Just where is your support?

Go back a few pages and look at the Scriptural support cliff I have posted it now several times ... please do not do that because it is NOT becoming of you at this point ....

Here I will repost it for you

Scripture
Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus' resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the "first day of the week." Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches "on the first day of the week," which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath."

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord's resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

"In fine, let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of the threat of death, teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath, or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered "friends of God." For if circumcision purges a man since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did He not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? At all events, in settling him in paradise, He appointed one uncircumcised as colonist of paradise. Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended; while He accepted what he was offering in simplicity of heart, and reprobated the sacrifice of his brother Cain, who was not rightly dividing what he was offering. Noah also, uncircumcised--yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath--God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and in-observant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world; who did not first taste death, in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might by this time show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God." Tertullian, An answer to the Jews, 2 (A.D. 203).

And then this question for why did the Lord our God save these men when they were indeed not Jews and did not observe the Sabbath?

 

[PaleHorse]

Strong's definition of Peter's name

G4074
Πέτρος

Petros

pet'-ros

Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.

G4074

Πέτρος

Petros

Thayer Definition:

Peter = "a rock or a stone"

1) one of the twelve disciples of Jesus

Part of Speech: noun proper masculine

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: apparently a primary word

Citing in TDNT: 6:100, 835

I don't know why you are posting this when the scripture itself is so clear. Notice how they (both the Strong's and the Thayer's) use the word "apparently"? What that tells me is that they, instead of simply defining the word, are trying to add an interpretation - and no honest lexicon does that. A lexicon's purpose is to give the reader the plain meaning of words so that the READER can then make the interpretation - not the other way around.

 

[PaleHorse]

Do you really want me to systematically answer all of these verses? For I certainly can but it would only be repeating what has already been covered at least twice in this thread. Every single one of those verses has been answered.

Go back a few pages and look at the Scriptural support cliff I have posted it now several times ... please do not do that because it is NOT becoming of you at this point ....

Here I will repost it for you

Scripture
Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus' resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the "first day of the week." Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches "on the first day of the week," which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath."

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord's resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

"In fine, let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of the threat of death, teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath, or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered "friends of God." For if circumcision purges a man since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did He not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? At all events, in settling him in paradise, He appointed one uncircumcised as colonist of paradise. Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended; while He accepted what he was offering in simplicity of heart, and reprobated the sacrifice of his brother Cain, who was not rightly dividing what he was offering. Noah also, uncircumcised--yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath--God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and in-observant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world; who did not first taste death, in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might by this time show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God." Tertullian, An answer to the Jews, 2 (A.D. 203).

Tertullian? You are quoting Tertullian? Oh goodness ...

 

[Debi1967]

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."99 With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 "The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath."102


The Sunday obligation

2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass."117 "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day."118

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. The faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

2183 "If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the Liturgy of the Word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."120





A day of grace and rest from work

2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,"121 human life has a rhythm of work and rest. The institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.122

2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation,the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.123 Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.

The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.124

2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.

2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."125



IN BRIEF

2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).

2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf. SC 106).

2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 § 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247).

2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 § 3).

2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a3.htm#2188

 

[PaleHorse]

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."99 With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 "The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath."102


The Sunday obligation

2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass."117 "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day."118

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. The faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. 2183 "If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the Liturgy of the Word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."120



A day of grace and rest from work

2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,"121 human life has a rhythm of work and rest. The institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.122

2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.123 Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.

The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.124

2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.

2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."125



IN BRIEF

2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).

2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf. SC 106).

2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 § 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247).

2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 § 3).

2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a3.htm#2188

Thank you for posting all of that - it only solidifies my point. Sunday was instituted but does not come from scripture. Thank you.

Further, the phrase "the Lord's Day" is repeatedly used - but does the Bible say that the Lord's Day is Sunday? Please show me that scripture if you please.

 

[Debi1967]

Thank you for posting all of that - it only solidifies my point. Sunday was instituted but does not come from scripture. Thank you.

Further, the phrase "the Lord's Day" is repeatedly used - but does the Bible say that the Lord's Day is Sunday? Please show me that scripture if you please.

No it means that you di not read it in context otherwise you would have seen we most certainly do celebrate the Sabbath and are obliged to do so on the Lord's Day.... You know what I truly cannot understand .... If you think of God as a Trinity and that Jesus is EQYAL to His Father in all things, as the Holy Spirit EQUAL to them ... for they are all co-equal in everything then if you celebrate on Sunday it is still the same thing ... The day simply moved and the Apostles did in fact have the Authorilty to do that....

So therefore all this mess is really for what as I am still giving thanksgiving to GOD, but YOU are saying that I am not .....

 

[Cliff2]

Go back a few pages and look at the Scriptural support cliff I have posted it now several times ... please do not do that because it is NOT becoming of you at this point ....

Here I will repost it for you

Scripture
Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus' resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the "first day of the week." Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches "on the first day of the week," which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath."

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord's resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

"In fine, let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of the threat of death, teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath, or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered "friends of God." For if circumcision purges a man since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did He not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? At all events, in settling him in paradise, He appointed one uncircumcised as colonist of paradise. Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended; while He accepted what he was offering in simplicity of heart, and reprobated the sacrifice of his brother Cain, who was not rightly dividing what he was offering. Noah also, uncircumcised--yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath--God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and in-observant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world; who did not first taste death, in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might by this time show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God." Tertullian, An answer to the Jews, 2 (A.D. 203).

And then this question for why did the Lord our God save these men when they were indeed not Jews and did not observe the Sabbath?

Not one of those texts support the change from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week as being the Sabbath.

Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Isaiah 1 (New International Version)
A Rebellious Nation

2 Hear, O heavens! Listen, O earth!
For the LORD has spoken:
"I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.


3 The ox knows his master,
the donkey his owner's manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand."

4 Ah, sinful nation,
a people loaded with guilt,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the LORD;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

5 Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.

6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with oil.

7 Your country is desolate,
your cities burned with fire;
your fields are being stripped by foreigners
right before you,
laid waste as when overthrown by strangers.

8 The Daughter of Zion is left
like a shelter in a vineyard,
like a hut in a field of melons,
like a city under siege.

9 Unless the LORD Almighty
had left us some survivors,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.

10 Hear the word of the LORD,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the law of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!

11 "The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?" says the LORD.
"I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.

12 When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?

13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your evil assemblies.

14 Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts
my soul hates.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.

15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide my eyes from you;
even if you offer many prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are full of blood;

16 wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds
out of my sight!
Stop doing wrong,

17 learn to do right!
Seek justice,
encourage the oppressed. [a]
Defend the cause of the fatherless,
plead the case of the widow.

18 "Come now, let us reason together,"
says the LORD.
"Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.

19 If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the best from the land;

20 but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword."
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.

21 See how the faithful city
has become a harlot!
She once was full of justice;
righteousness used to dwell in her—
but now murderers!

22 Your silver has become dross,
your choice wine is diluted with water.

23 Your rulers are rebels,
companions of thieves;
they all love bribes
and chase after gifts.
They do not defend the cause of the fatherless;
the widow's case does not come before them.

24 Therefore the Lord, the LORD Almighty,
the Mighty One of Israel, declares:
"Ah, I will get relief from my foes
and avenge myself on my enemies.

25 I will turn my hand against you;
I will thoroughly purge away your dross
and remove all your impurities.

26 I will restore your judges as in days of old,
your counselors as at the beginning.
Afterward you will be called
the City of Righteousness,
the Faithful City."

27 Zion will be redeemed with justice,
her penitent ones with righteousness.

28 But rebels and sinners will both be broken,
and those who forsake the LORD will perish.

29 "You will be ashamed because of the sacred oaks
in which you have delighted;
you will be disgraced because of the gardens
that you have chosen.

30 You will be like an oak with fading leaves,
like a garden without water.

31 The mighty man will become tinder
and his work a spark;
both will burn together,
with no one to quench the fire."


Is. 1:13 does not reveal God's displeasure about the Sabbath at all.

What it does reveal is God's displeasure about the people. Read the whole chapter.

They are a sinful nation in rebellion, God wants them to change. Just as Jesus told the Jew when He was on this earth.

They were a stiffnecked people who followed traditions instead of God's Word.

Sunday worship is a tradition, not found in God's Word.

 

[Debi1967]

I should listen to who you and your beliefs or that of the established beliefs of a Church that has been in existence since the time of Christ and that has many writers and many people to back up this that were directly taught by the Apostles of Christ Himself? See where this is making no sense? Most of Christianity celebrates the Lord's Day and I am supposed to now say hey wait a minute everyone through two thousand years have been in heresy Catholic and Protestant alike and therefore your way is the only way? Sorry I cannot do that and I will not do that ..... I celelbrate the Risen Lord who is My God .... I celebrate a Trinity in which I believe that all three are co-equal and co-existent and co-powerful therefore one being ....

In fact I also believe that although it is an obligation to set aside one day of REST because the Father did, I also know that the Supreme Being that is God is made up of three in a triune nature.... Therefore by observing the Lord's Day I am still onserving my obligation to God .... And I am recognizing the Supreme Sacrifice of them all for me, The father for sending His Son, the Son for dying on the Cross, and then the Son for sending the Comforter to me ..... I think I celebrate the BOND made with ME that saved me .... And I am neither Isrealite nor Gentile but simply Christian because of it ....


"The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."

 

[PaleHorse]

No it means that you di not read it in context otherwise you would have seen we most certainly do celebrate the Sabbath and are obliged to do so on the Lord's Day.... You know what I truly cannot understand .... If you think of God as a Trinity and that Jesus is EQYAL {equal} to His Father in all things, as the Holy Spirit EQUAL to them ... for they are all co-equal in everything then if you celebrate on Sunday it is still the same thing ... The day simply moved and the Apostles did in fact have the Authorilty to do that....

So therefore all this mess is really for what as I am still giving thanksgiving to GOD, but YOU are saying that I am not .....

But the Apostles didn't change it - that's the point.

 

[PaleHorse]

I should listen to who you and your beliefs or that of the established beliefs of a Church that has been in existence since the time of Christ and that has many writers and many people to back up this that were directly taught by the Apostles of Christ Himself? See where this is making no sense? Most of Christianity celebrates the Lord's Day and I am supposed to now say hey wait a minute everyone through two thousand years have been in heresy Catholic and Protestant alike and therefore your way is the only way? Sorry I cannot do that and I will not do that ..... I celelbrate the Risen Lord who is My God .... I celebrate a Trinity in which I believe that all three are co-equal and co-existent and co-powerful therefore one being ....

In fact I also believe that although it is an obligation to set aside one day of REST because the Father did, I also know that the Supreme Being that is God is made up of three in a triune nature.... Therefore by observing the Lord's Day I am still onserving my obligation to God .... And I am recognizing the Supreme Sacrifice of them all for me, The father for sending His Son, the Son for dying on the Cross, and then the Son for sending the Comforter to me ..... I think I celebrate the BOND made with ME that saved me .... And I am neither Isrealite nor Gentile but simply Christian because of it ....

Again, please show me in the scriptures where the "Lord's Day" equates to Sunday.

"The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."

Yes, the Sabbath was made for "man"; not just "Jew" or "Israelite" but ALL of mankind.