PaleHorse said:
Context, context, context. Why would God prohibit kindling a fire on the Sabbath? And bear in mind that God did not say one couldn't have a fire - He said not to kindle one. Now, think about for a second, why would He say this?
Again, context, context, context and lack of understanding of the idiomatic usage.
Again, you are using Pharisetical arguments in your reasoning (boy, and we get called the legalists?). God placed no restriction to travel in the commandment.
Just because I may be billed for energy consumed on the Sabbath doesn't mean I pay for it that day. Even in OT times that were debts that were owned, debts that Sabbaths occured during it, and that was never considered a sin. You are making a straw man argument.
Now it is my turn to give some Hebrew word defintions
Exo 16:29 See,7200 for3588 that the LORD3068 hath given5414 you the sabbath,7676 therefore5921, 3651 he1931 giveth5414 you on the sixth8345 day3117 the bread3899 of two days;3117 abide3427 ye every man376 in his place,8478 let no408 man376 go out3318 of his place4480, 4725 on the seventh7637 day.3117
You said context and that is right, context is necessary when reading Hebrew especially because we have many words that are universal whereas they did not ...
So therefore where it says "abide ye every man in his place" the meaning because of the of the context of the wording here makes the difference in how it is meant in this passage...The problem is that you did not have the proper definitions to take apart this Scritpure to read it in it's proper context .... You have to know what the words meant period in order to properly translate them and therfore make a true argument as to their meaning ....
H8478
תּחת
tachath
BDB Definition:
1) the under part, beneath, instead of, as, for, for the sake of, flat, unto, where, whereas
1a) the under part (noun masculine)
1b) beneath (adverbial accusative)
1c) under, beneath (preposition)
1c1) at the foot of (idiom)
1c2) sweetness, subjection, woman, being burdened or oppressed (figuratively)
1c3) of subjection or conquest
1d) what is under one, the place in which one stands (noun masculine)
1d1) in ones place, the place in which one stands (idiom with reflexive pronoun)
1d2) in place of, instead of (in transferred sense)
1d3) in place of, in exchange or return for (of things mutually interchanged)
1e) instead of, instead of that (conjunction)
1f) in return for that, because that (conjunction)
1g) in, under, into the place of (after verbs of motion) (in compounds)
1h) from under, from beneath, from under the hand of, from his place, under, beneath
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strongs Number: from the same as H8430
Same Word by TWOT Number: 2504
Then when we go to next phrase in the same sentence because of it's context in the sentence itself....."let no man go out of his place"
then the meaning changes
H4480
מנּי / מנּי / מן
min / minnîy / minnêy
BDB Definition:
1) from, out of, on account of, off, on the side of, since, above, than, so that not, more than (preposition)
1a) from (expressing separation), off, on the side of
1b) out of
1b1) (with verbs of proceeding, removing, expelling)
1b2) (of material from which something is made)
1b3) (of source or origin)
1c) out of, some of, from (partitively)
1d) from, since, after (of time)
1e) than, more than (in comparison)
1f) from...even to, both...and, either...or
1g) than, more than, too much for (in comparisons)
1h) from, on account of, through, because (with infinitive)
2) that (conjunction)
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strongs Number: from H4482
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1212, 1213e
Then in your next contextual argument your exegesis is also incorrect as well because of definition ....
Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle1197 no3808 fire784 throughout3605 your habitations4186 upon the sabbath7676 day.3117
Since there are no other Scriptures after this that talk of fire or the kindling of it then here we see that this person has taken out all pertinent Scripture from this book of Exodus and therefore his context was correct in usage .... your exegesis of what is meant here is off though because the word kindle is not limited to only the STARTING of fire .... by definition
H1197
בּער
bâ‛ar
BDB Definition:
1) to burn, consume, kindle, be kindled (verb)
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to begin to burn, be kindled, start burning
1a2) to burn, be burning
1a3) to burn, consume
1a4) Jehovahs wrath, human wrath (figuratively)
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to kindle, burn
1b2) to consume, remove (of guilt) (figuratively)
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to kindle
1c2) to burn up
1c3) to consume (destroy)
1d) (Pual) to burn
2) to be stupid, brutish, barbarous (verbal denominative)
2a) (Qal) to be stupid, dull-hearted, unreceptive
2b) (Niphal) to be stupid, dull-hearted
2c) (Piel) to feed, graze
2d) (Hiphil) to cause to be grazed over
Part of Speech: see above in Definition
A Related Word by BDB/Strongs Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 263
So therefore it can also mean anything that is already burning and being consumed as well .... So your argument that just because you are not Paying the light bill that day does not mean that you cannot have lights on is therefore nullified by definition .... It can mean exactly that ... And considering that Christ observed all the Ancient practices except those that were self-serving to men ..... and not to God ....
