Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

[oldsage]

None, absolutely none.

ya'll just don't get it.

Chris

 

[visionary]

ya'll just don't get it.

Chris

or is it you who just doesn't get it? The Lord know who are his.

 

[oldsage]

or is it you who just doesn't get it? The Lord know who are his.

No, I get it quite well. I also understand how people can read something and not understand it. I don't know if you heard Daniel Lancasters message called the "Macaroni Principle", it clearly shows how people can misunderstand what they read. Some don't know certain idioms of the time, or doesn't know when something is being alluded to in the Tanak and thus miss the greater context of which the writer is speaking about. Also, people who are Pastors and Theologians are taught in certain schools whom they trust are teaching them correctly. Those schools shapes their hermeneutic and clouds their vision.

Now say, you come along and you understand a truth and you tell someone who doesn't, now they still are using their hermeneutic they learned so they don't get what you are saying, or they just can't see it. It takes God to open their eyes on the truth, they are not going to believe us, just because we told them.

Now there are those whos eyes have been open and they still reject it because either they are use to their position and don't want to change or they are afraid what others may say about them, or they just are in plain rebellion against God. Either way, just because I walk up to a sunday keeping pastor who's heart is to know and follow God, and tell him about the Sabbath doesn't mean he will get it.

We live in an age with alot of confusion and distrust, we don't know who teaches the truth of things, there are over 34,000 denominations now and people really don't know where to turn.

Not all Sabbath keeping people started out as Sabbath keeping people, they learned it, God opened their eyes to it. But before the kept the Sabbath they wanted to follow God with all their heart, but they kept sunday as a sabbath or some part of that day as a sabbath. After a time of study and some conviction from the Holy Spirit, they started seeing the Sabbath in a new light and when the conviction came they started following that which God how reveal by His Graciousness.

I know I don't expect everyone to jump up and believe as I do just because I told them something, that is where God comes in and works in a person's life, we are all growing in the faith, learning and changing to be all that God wants us to be. Let people grow and learn, teaching them, show them right from wrong, be understanding, but don't compromise. Don't blame people for not seeing all that you can see, God has granted you things that He has yet to grant others. Having a day like the "Ten Commandments Day" is wonderful because it is promoting part of God's Holy Law, this for some will help them see all Ten commandments and hopefully intrigue people to learn more about them. Hopefully, Sabbath keeping congregations even support it and teach the part they see as neglected.

Reference to the mp3 of Lancaster's "The Macaroni Prinicple"
Shalom,

Chris

 

[Cliff2]

ya'll just don't get it.

Chris

Here is my point, the masses of the layity in most churches just take it for granted that their religious leaders are teaching them the truth, but what excuse do the pastors, priests, and theologians have for not keeping the 7th day Sabbath?

I said they have none and you replied that we did not get it.

Now tell me why you think that my answer is wrong?

What exuse do you think the pastors etc have for not keeping the Sabbath?

 

[Tim87]

Saturday!

 

[Cliff2]

Saturday!

Saturday or the 7th day of the week is the Bible Sabbath.

 

[Tim87]

Saturday or the 7th day of the week is the Bible Sabbath.

Correct!

 

[visionary]

No, I get it quite well. I also understand how people can read something and not understand it. I don't know if you heard Daniel Lancasters message called the "Macaroni Principle", it clearly shows how people can misunderstand what they read. Some don't know certain idioms of the time, or doesn't know when something is being alluded to in the Tanak and thus miss the greater context of which the writer is speaking about. Also, people who are Pastors and Theologians are taught in certain schools whom they trust are teaching them correctly. Those schools shapes their hermeneutic and clouds their vision.

Now say, you come along and you understand a truth and you tell someone who doesn't, now they still are using their hermeneutic they learned so they don't get what you are saying, or they just can't see it. It takes God to open their eyes on the truth, they are not going to believe us, just because we told them.

Now there are those whos eyes have been open and they still reject it because either they are use to their position and don't want to change or they are afraid what others may say about them, or they just are in plain rebellion against God. Either way, just because I walk up to a sunday keeping pastor who's heart is to know and follow God, and tell him about the Sabbath doesn't mean he will get it.

We live in an age with alot of confusion and distrust, we don't know who teaches the truth of things, there are over 34,000 denominations now and people really don't know where to turn.

Not all Sabbath keeping people started out as Sabbath keeping people, they learned it, God opened their eyes to it. But before the kept the Sabbath they wanted to follow God with all their heart, but they kept sunday as a sabbath or some part of that day as a sabbath. After a time of study and some conviction from the Holy Spirit, they started seeing the Sabbath in a new light and when the conviction came they started following that which God how reveal by His Graciousness.

I know I don't expect everyone to jump up and believe as I do just because I told them something, that is where God comes in and works in a person's life, we are all growing in the faith, learning and changing to be all that God wants us to be. Let people grow and learn, teaching them, show them right from wrong, be understanding, but don't compromise. Don't blame people for not seeing all that you can see, God has granted you things that He has yet to grant others. Having a day like the "Ten Commandments Day" is wonderful because it is promoting part of God's Holy Law, this for some will help them see all Ten commandments and hopefully intrigue people to learn more about them. Hopefully, Sabbath keeping congregations even support it and teach the part they see as neglected.

Reference to the mp3 of Lancaster's "The Macaroni Prinicple"
Shalom,

Chris

It is man who rejects. Maybe they are like Jacob wrestling in the night and know not who they are fighting. I hope and pray that they soon recognise who they are fighting against and repent.

They can not progress in spiritual blessings and the lifestyle Christ has for them. Since there are so may things of the world that are not of God, and so few who walk with God, people have a tendency to move with the crowd and ignore the still small voice of God to take the narrower path, the one less travelled.

If they truly let go and follow God, they naturally will receive the blessings hidden within keeping God's ways vs man's ways. For those who have crossed over and seen the light, it makes perfect sense. For those who are afraid, perfect love casts out fear. Trust God and follow Him. More of the scriptures will make sense if you do. Sabbath is only one discerning trait.

 

[linssue55]

for one there isn't a scripture out there that says "everyday is the Sabbath" I wonder if you realize that Jews worshipped everyday also not just on Sabbath. The Jews worshipped and LEARNED of the Lord everyday also.

So, nothing NEW has happened in the so called "church age"
by the way, is "church age" found in the bible?
Now read the Sabbath commandment again and tell me if you are doing that EVERYDAY as you say the Sabbath falls now.

Chris

We are to give thanks EVERYDAY. I do everyday, and have been for the last 32 years. He gives me one day at a time, I give BACK one day at a time. One day a week is not good enough. Keep practicing your one day, I will continue on my everyday. We are to live/worship the Lord EVERYDAY, not just on this so called sabbath. I learn 7 times faster, and I love it. You do your way I will do mine.

 

[linssue55]

DOCTRINE OF THE SABBATH (or DOCTRINE OF REST)

A. Introduction.
1. Freedom demands rest. Rest demands freedom. You can never have freedom when you stop thinking. The Sabbath was a thinking day when you didn’t work physically but sat somewhere, rested, and thought. So there are two kinds of Sabbath:
2. The temporal Sabbath is the faith-rest technique of the believer in Heb 3:11, and the moment-by-moment Sabbath of Heb 4:1-7. It was the basis of spirituality in the Old Testament dispensations; i.e., believing, claiming, and resting on verses, principles, and doctrines.
3. The eternal Sabbath is eternal life. Mt 11:28, “Come unto me all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest [eternal life].”
B. Salvation Rest, Mt 11:28. Salvation is described in terms of rest, the rest of eternal life. Eternal life is not characterized by resting, but by tranquility and blessing.
C. Supergrace Rest.
1. The land of Canaan is a type of the supergrace life, and in the context of Heb 3:11, supergrace is manifest by faith-rest; i.e., the maximum use of faith-rest with doctrine and the maximum application of doctrine from the launching pad of the right lobe.
2. Heb 4:1-3 (in Heb 4:3 the elliptical oath is repeated) says that this rest was provided for the Jews in eternity past, yet their disobedience of unbelief will keep them out of it.
D. Sabbath Rest, Gen 2:2,3.
1. The Hebrew verb SHABATH means to rest, to relax, and to have tranquility.
2. On the seventh day of the earth’s restoration, everything was provided for man, and God rested in the sense that nothing else could possibly be provided for man in grace. God was not tired. Everything man needed at that point was provided. (But God had to go to work again, as it were, when man sinned.)
3. So the Sabbath is a memorial to the grace of God: He has provided everything and there is nothing left to provide. Since there was nothing God could add, obviously there was nothing man could add either.
E. Sabbath of Israel, Ex 20:8-11; Deut 5:12-15; Lev 23:3; Isa 58:11-14.
1. This was instituted as the fourth commandment in the Decalogue. This occurred every Saturday as the last day of the week. The Jews were permitted to work for six days, but on the seventh day they had to stop all work.
2. The very change of pace was not only beneficial to them physically and mentally, but it had ultimate benefit to them in the spiritual realm because it was a reminder of grace.
3. The fact that you had to cool your heels at the end of every week was a reminder that you could do nothing for salvation and nothing for blessing. It is all the provision of God.
4. Even if they knew no doctrine, this day of rest caused them to think (“remember” of Ex 20:8) and realize that they could do nothing for salvation or blessing. In effect, this was a training aid during this pre-Canon period.
5. The Jews were specifically commanded to think and not work. (Of course, some work is thinking, and thinking is work.) But this was in the time of an agricultural economy requiring manual labor. So to “remember” means to draw upon the resources of your right lobe. It demands that the right lobe controls the soul (not emotions) as the basis of freedom.
6. When you find yourself doing nothing, then you suddenly realize you can do nothing for salvation and nothing for blessing under God’s plan. For under God’s plan, God does all the work and you are the beneficiary.
7. Also, by maintaining good health with periodic rest, this contributed to the full, free function of the mind. With loss of health, your mind becomes a slave to certain preoccupations, like pain. So this command under the laws of divine establishment was for the protection of believers and unbelievers alike.
F. The Sabbatical Year of Israel, Ex 23:10-11; Lev 25:3-4, 26:33-37.
1. This was the big test of supergrace. Every seven years, the Jews were supposed to stop work. If they had been functioning properly under supergrace, then this was really a year’s vacation in which they didn’t have to work.
2. Having followed so well the laws of divine establishment, and having functioned under GAP, they now took a break on the seventh year to exercise their capacity for life. So they did not work for a full year without any detriment to them.
3. This was a great test to see if they had entered supergrace or not: could they trust God to provide everything for them? If so, it was no problem. If not, they were like squirrels who hadn’t gathered nuts for the winter. The Jews were to depend on God’s provision for one year.
4. The failure of the Jews to observe the Sabbatical year was the basis for determining how long they would stay out under the fifth cycle of discipline.
a. From the Exodus until the first administration of the fifth cycle of discipline to the Southern Kingdom, they had accumulated 490 years in which they had not observed even one Sabbatical year as a nation.
b. Over a period of 490 years they had accumulated seventy lost Sabbatical years.
c. God, in His great sense of humor, told the Southern Kingdom in 586 B.C. that since they had missed seventy Sabbatical years, He would give them those seventy years in slavery.
d. Therefore, the first administration of the fifth cycle of discipline lasted for seventy years. Lev 26:33-36; 2 Chron 36:20-21 cf. Dan 9:2 and Jer 25:11-12, 29:10.
G. The Year of Jubilee, Lev 25:8ff.
1. This could be called a super Sabbatical year. After forty-nine years (in which there were seven Sabbatical years), the fiftieth year was called the Year of Jubilee; it was a Sabbath year also.
2. During the Year of Jubilee, all the real estate in the land went back to its original owners, all the businesses went back to their original owners; everything reverted back to how it was in year one
. a. All slaves were to be freed, and whatever was their portion of land allotted to them by tribe and by the system was given back to them.
b. So no matter what you ever owned, it was always on a lease basis, and you were never to keep any of it past the Year of Jubilee.
3. Of course, the Jews violated this also.
4. So every fifty years you started all over fresh, and again the smart ones would acquire more than the others. This just proves the point of history, that no matter what you have in equal distribution, the smart ones will gain most of the pie, and the dumb ones will again fall into slavery; it’s all just a matter of time.
5. This was a cycle of cleansing for the nation. It was a complete shuffle; no one really got hurt by it. The smart ones always came out ahead every time anyway.
6. The purpose was again to remind everyone of grace. For after you’ve been a successful businessman for 49 years, it’s very difficult to orient to grace. So on the fiftieth year it was all taken away, and you started all over again. This Year taught that, under grace, you can’t earn, deserve, or work for it.
H. Profaning the Sabbath was associated with idolatry and the apostasy of the Jews, Ezek 23:37-39.
I. Sabbath violation occurred after the restoration, Neh 13:15-21.
J. The Sabbath is set aside in the Church Age, Col 2:16-17, Galatians. The memorial to grace in the Church Age is not Saturday but Sunday, the first day of the week, 1 Cor 16:2; Act 20:7.

K. Moment-by-Moment Sabbath for the Church Age.
1. We in the Church Age do not have a Saturday Sabbath. It didn’t work too well for the Jews, so for the Church Age, God beefed it up and gave us a moment-by-moment Sabbath.
2. This is the faith-rest technique, Heb 4:1-3. This is the principle by which the believer enters into the supergrace life. So your moment-by- moment Sabbath means your spiritual advance, and your annual Sabbatical is comparable to the supergrace life.
3. Illustrations of this moment-by-moment Sabbath, or the dynamics of faith-rest.
a. Abraham, Rom 4:17-21.
b. Moses at the Red Sea, Ex 14:10-14.
c. The bones of Joseph, Heb 11:22.
d. Caleb and the Giants, Num 13 and 14 cf. Josh 14:6-14, 15:14; Judges 1:20.
4. So it is inevitable that the daily function of GAP (grace apparatus for perception, taking in doctrine everyday) also the daily function of the faith-rest technique will eventuate in the supergrace life which is your spiritual Sabbatical year.

 

[ThreeAM]

We are to give thanks EVERYDAY. I do everyday, and have been for the last 32 years. He gives me one day at a time, I give BACK one day at a time. One day a week is not good enough. Keep practicing your one day, I will continue on my everyday. We are to live/worship the Lord EVERYDAY, not just on this so called sabbath. I learn 7 times faster, and I love it. You do your way I will do mine.

Christians are supposed to follow Christ EVERY day. But the 7th day is HOLY and set apart from the other six. On that day God has asked us not to work. God also asks man to be productive. In fact God tells use to work six days a week. But we are not supposed to work on the 7th. Remember God Himself worked 6 days of creation week then on the seventh day He set it aside as a Holy day and rested.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If you are observing the Sabbath 7 days a week you are not working 7 days a week. If you are working on the Sabbath you are violating the 4th commandment. True we should worship God every day in prays and studying the scriptures but only one day is the 7th day Sabbath and we should worship God and rest on that day.

 

[oldsage]

I said they have none and you replied that we did not get it.

Now tell me why you think that my answer is wrong?

What exuse do you think the pastors etc have for not keeping the Sabbath?

I did answer it in post 743

 

[oldsage]

It is man who rejects. Maybe they are like Jacob wrestling in the night and know not who they are fighting. I hope and pray that they soon recognise who they are fighting against and repent.

They can not progress in spiritual blessings and the lifestyle Christ has for them. Since there are so may things of the world that are not of God, and so few who walk with God, people have a tendency to move with the crowd and ignore the still small voice of God to take the narrower path, the one less travelled.

If they truly let go and follow God, they naturally will receive the blessings hidden within keeping God's ways vs man's ways. For those who have crossed over and seen the light, it makes perfect sense. For those who are afraid, perfect love casts out fear. Trust God and follow Him. More of the scriptures will make sense if you do. Sabbath is only one discerning trait.

In my early walk, I had many problems that I had prior to my conversion, it was five years later that I was convicted about keeping Sabbath. I had people talk to me about it, I even debated the subject, I just didn't see it, but when the conviction came, it came on strong and that led me to pursue trying to understand what it is that God wants me to do in my life. Now I am still growing and learning, and I enjoy it so much, I am soooo glad I have learned about the Sabbath and the blessing which comes each week as I spend time with the Creator. I think the Sabbath has what has helped me with my spiritual growth over the years, it even helps you understand the grace of God, the plan of redemption and the restoration to come.

but again, I go into babbling

Chris

 

[oldsage]

We are to give thanks EVERYDAY. I do everyday, and have been for the last 32 years. He gives me one day at a time, I give BACK one day at a time. One day a week is not good enough. Keep practicing your one day, I will continue on my everyday. We are to live/worship the Lord EVERYDAY, not just on this so called sabbath. I learn 7 times faster, and I love it. You do your way I will do mine.

you must not have read what I said, let me post it again

for one there isn't a scripture out there that says "everyday is the Sabbath" I wonder if you realize that Jews worshipped everyday also not just on Sabbath. The Jews worshipped and LEARNED of the Lord everyday also.

So, nothing NEW has happened in the so called "church age"
by the way, is "church age" found in the bible?
Now read the Sabbath commandment again and tell me if you are doing that EVERYDAY as you say the Sabbath falls now.

Chris

you didn't address anything I typed, I told you people have always worshipped the Lord every day, which you said that I only do it once a week. You didn't address the issue of "church age", and you didn't address the Sabbath commandment and how it is kept every day.

Blessings,
Chris

 

[oldsage]

J. The Sabbath is set aside in the Church Age, Col 2:16-17, Galatians. The memorial to grace in the Church Age is not Saturday but Sunday, the first day of the week, 1 Cor 16:2; Act 20:7.

You still having come up with a scripture that says "church age" Col 2:16,17 says nothing about setting aside the Sabbath, Galatians says nothing about setting aside the Sabbath, 1 Cor 16:2 and Acts 20:7 says nothing about Sunday being set aside for worship. You are reading into the text.

K. Moment-by-Moment Sabbath for the Church Age.
1. We in the Church Age do not have a Saturday Sabbath. It didn’t work too well for the Jews, so for the Church Age, God beefed it up and gave us a moment-by-moment Sabbath.

Let me get this straight, you are saying that God made a mistake in instituting the Sabbath?
All in all, this article really doesn't address any of the issues, it just makes assertions. For example if I were to say, "In times pass God said it was mean, but now that Jesus came the Father is now nice"
This is just an assertion with no proof to back it up. (I really don't believe the example I posted, it was just an example.)

If you think that Col or Gal speak against keeping Sabbath you need to show why you think that way, same with the other passages concerning the first day of the week. Just stating something to be so doesn't make it right.

Blessings,
Chris

 

[linssue55]

Christians are supposed to follow Christ EVERY day. But the 7th day is HOLY and set apart from the other six. On that day God has asked us not to work. God also asks man to be productive. In fact God tells use to work six days a week. But we are not supposed to work on the 7th. Remember God Himself worked 6 days of creation week then on the seventh day He set it aside as a Holy day and rested.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If you are observing the Sabbath 7 days a week you are not working 7 days a week. If you are working on the Sabbath you are violating the 4th commandment. True we should worship God every day in prays and studying the scriptures but only one day is the 7th day Sabbath and we should worship God and rest on that day.

No! This law was for the jews in the OT (obsolete today). This does not pertain to the church age, nor did it apply to the to the gentiles. The sabbath of the OT does not hold up in the church age. Re-read my post. We are in the dispensation of "One day at a time". Under grace, GAP, and faithrest. We are to study and worship everyday. If you all want to worship only one day a week then go right ahead. I will continue to grow in grace and the knowledge of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...... EVERYDAY!

When one loves the Lord, that one puts aside EVERYDAY, the "TIME" to worship through study and or/reading the bible "EVERYDAY".

" For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, whenye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of
men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which
effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thes 2:13)

"But he that received seed into the good ground
is he that heareth the word, and understandeth
it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth,
some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." (Matt 13:23)

You water (bible doctrine) your fields and plants everyday. If you did it ONLY once a week the plants would die.

Some only bring in thirty, while others bring in hundredfold


" Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou
hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in
Christ Jesus." (2 Tim 1:13)

 

[linssue55]

The Sabbath is set aside in the Church Age,


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]Col. 2:16-17~~ (Exegesis)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]16.~~Consequently, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]STOP allowing anyone to judge you in eating and drinking,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]or in the matter of a feast, or of the new month, or of the Sabbaths.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: This is refering to 'legalism'. Someone trying to tell you that you have to follow rituals of the Jewish Age.}[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]17~~ Which {rituals} kept on being a shadow[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]of those things about to come,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]but the reality is from the source of Christ.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: the Jewish Age rituals were 'shadows' of the reality that was and is Christ. The Jewish Age looked forward to the cross. The Church age looks back on the cross}.[/FONT]




Moment-by-Moment Sabbath for the Church Age.
1. We in the Church Age do not have a Saturday Sabbath. It didn’t work too well for the Jews, so for the Church Age, God beefed it up and gave us a moment-by-moment Sabbath.
2. This is the faith-rest technique, Heb 4:1-3. This is the principle by which the believer enters into the supergrace life. So your moment-by- moment Sabbath means your spiritual advance, and your annual Sabbatical is comparable to the supergrace life.
3. Illustrations of this moment-by-moment Sabbath, or the dynamics of faith-rest.
a. Abraham, Rom 4:17-21.
b. Moses at the Red Sea, Ex 14:10-14.
c. The bones of Joseph, Heb 11:22.
d. Caleb and the Giants, Num 13 and 14 cf. Josh 14:6-14, 15:14; Judges 1:20.
4. So it is inevitable that the daily function of GAP (grace apparatus for perception, taking in doctrine everyday) also the daily function of the faith-rest technique will eventuate in the supergrace life which is your spiritual Sabbatical year.

 

[ThreeAM]

No! This law was for the jews in the OT (obsolete today). This does not pertain to the church age, nor did it apply to the to the gentiles. The sabbath of the OT does not hold up in the church age. Re-read my post. We are in the dispensation of "One day at a time". Under grace, GAP, and faithrest. We are to study and worship everyday. If you all want to worship only one day a week then go right ahead. I will continue to grow in grace and the knowledge of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...... EVERYDAY!

When one loves the Lord, that one puts aside EVERYDAY, the "TIME" to worship through study and or/reading the bible "EVERYDAY".

" For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, whenye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of
men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which
effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thes 2:13)

"But he that received seed into the good ground
is he that heareth the word, and understandeth
it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth,
some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." (Matt 13:23)

You water (bible doctrine) your fields and plants everyday. If you did it ONLY once a week the plants would die.

Some only bring in thirty, while others bring in hundredfold


" Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou
hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in
Christ Jesus." (2 Tim 1:13)

First: Let me point out that a Christian is a Christian 24hrs a day 7 days a week but just because we believe that the 7th day sabbath is a special holy day does not mean we are to neglect God during the other six days of the week...that just Ridiculous. Observing the Sabbath as God's holy day and worshiping God on the other six days of the week is not mutually exclusive. Those who are saved will have the faith of Jesus Christ and will obey the commandments of God.[The Sabbath is the 4th commandment.] True faith in Christ leads to obedience to God...sanctification.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.

AS I SAID in my previous quote.

Christians are supposed to follow Christ EVERY day. But the 7th day is HOLY and set apart from the other six. On that day God has asked us not to work. God also asks man to be productive. In fact God tells use to work six days a week. But we are not supposed to work on the 7th. Remember God Himself worked 6 days of creation week then on the seventh day He set it aside as a Holy day and rested.

Second: Christ said the Sabbath was made for MAN not that the Sabbath was made for the Jews only.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for Man [444] , and not Man [444] for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of Man [444] is Lord also of the sabbath.

Strong's 444 Anthropos = Man


1) a human being, whether male or female
a) generically, to include all human individuals
b) to distinguish man from beings of a different order
1) of animals and plants
2) of from God and Christ 3) of the angels


Christ is the Son of Man not just the Jews and like wise the Sabbath was made for Man. that is why Christ established the Sabbath the day after He created Man.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested [07673]from all his work which God created and made.

shabath 07673


1) to cease, desist, rest
a) (Qal)
1) to cease
2) to rest, desist (from labour) 2) (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath

Thrid: Talking to His followers Christ warned them to flee from Jerusalem in the future before its destruction. Look at the advice he gave them.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

 

[linssue55]

First: Let me point out that a Christian is a Christian 24hrs a day 7 days a week but just because we believe that the 7th day sabbath is a special holy day does not mean we are to neglect God during the other six days of the week...that just Ridiculous. Observing the Sabbath as God's holy day and worshiping God on the other six days of the week is not mutually exclusive. Those who are saved will have the faith of Jesus Christ and will obey the commandments of God.[The Sabbath is the 4th commandment.]

No! You are dead wrong.


The Sabbath is set aside in the Church Age,


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]Col. 2:16-17~~ (Exegesis)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]16.~~Consequently, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]STOP allowing anyone to judge you in eating and drinking,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]or in the matter of a feast, or of the new month, or of the Sabbaths.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: This is refering to 'legalism'. Someone trying to tell you that you have to follow rituals of the Jewish Age.}[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]17~~ Which {rituals} kept on being a shadow[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]of those things about to come,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]but the reality is from the source of Christ.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]{Note: the Jewish Age rituals were 'shadows' of the reality that was and is Christ. The Jewish Age looked forward to the cross. The Church age looks back on the cross}.[/FONT]







LOL, sorry but sanctification is something "HE" does for us at Salvation.......It is NOT something we do....

The doctrine of sanctification
1. Definition.
a) Sanctification means to be set apart as sacred, to be consecrated to God.
b) It means more than that, it means to be under contract to God forever.
c) The actual death of Christ set aside the old contract, the old covenant, the Mosaic law. We do not have a shadow contract.
d) The old contract, therefore, is annulled or abrogated.
e) The new contract/covenant, called new testament, is for the royal priesthood of the Church Age. It is for royalty, it is for priests.
f) Therefore in the strictest sense of the meaning sanctification connotes the believer of the Church Age under contract to God forever. The contract calls for the believer to be royalty.
g) The contract is provided on the basis of the efficacious once-and-for-all sacrifice of Christ on the cross.
h) You signed the contract the moment you believed in Jesus Christ. Phase one sanctification: baptism of the Holy Spirit; phase two sanctification: filling of the Holy Spirit + positive volition toward doctrine = experiential sanctification and/or supergrace; phase three sanctification: absent from the body, face to face with the Lord in a resurrection body forever.
2. The etymology of the Greek words.
a) a(goij — translated “holy” or “saint.” It is used to describe one who is under a new contract forever, member of the royal family of God. All terms of saint and sanctification apply only to the royal family. All believers of the Church Age are royal family.
b) a(giothj — holiness, the state of being under contract under the new covenant to the Church. This is our status quo as members of the royal family. It is called holiness, set apart, under contract, consecrated to God forever.
c) a(giosunh — sanctification or the state of being under consecrate.
d) a(giasmoj — consecration, sanctification, the state of being holy, it emphasises the results of being holy or in the plan of God or under contract.
e) a(giazw, the verb — to set apart, to sanctify, to consecrate, to dedicate, but what it really means is to be under contract.
3. Phase one sanctification. This is a reference to the fact that God the Holy Spirit takes each one of us at the moment we believe in Jesus Christ and enters us into union with Christ. This is called the baptism of the Spirit, the means by which we come under the contract forever — 1 Corinthians 1:2,30; Hebrews 10:10,14.
4. Phase two sanctification. This is fulfilling the tactical objective of the contract in phase two. Under the contract God at the point of salvation has assigned us a certain amount of time. He has also broken this assignment down into allotments — time to study the Bible, social life, sex, business, and for everything. So the contract calls for the assignment of time and the breakdown of that assignment into allotments. Under phase two sanctification this time is enjoyed under the principle of the filling of the Spirit — 2 Corinthians 2:13, and the daily function of GAP — John 17:17. The royal family on earth is called the body of Christ, the royal family in resurrection is called the bride of Christ, and the body of Christ is therefore under the principle of phase two sanctification.
5. Phase three sanctification. This is ultimate in which the believer is in a resurrection body, minus the old sin nature, minus all of his human good. This is the royal family living with God forever — Romans 8:29; 1 Corinthians 1:8; Philippians 3:21; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; 1 John 3:1,2
6. The agents in sanctification. God the Father is the author of the plan, therefore He is not an agent, but under Him there are three agents. The believer is not an agent. The agents do all of the work under the contract, and since under grace there is no place for human good, no place for works, there is no place for the believer to do anything. The believer is in the contract but he doesn’t work under the contract or you don’t produce the work. You produce divine good under a grace system.
a) The Son of God — Hebrews 10:10,14.
b) The Holy Spirit — Romans 15:16; 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
c) The Word of God, Bible doctrine — John 17:17; Ephesians 5:26. The Word of God is the only source of divine revelation to the royal family.

This is only a tiny bit of Sanctification..........

 

[jochanaan]

If you follow your logic to its conclusion, linssue, it becomes necessary to conclude that ALL the Old Testament laws--the Ten, the two that Jesus said were the greatest, and certainly the other six hundred-plus Levitical laws--have been "set aside for the Church age." Are you saying that the laws regarding idolatry, taking God's name falsely, honoring parents, and the rest have all been set aside? If so, which laws do we follow, if any? If not, how do we discern which laws have been set aside and which are still good for Christians to follow?

I for one believe that the Lord doesn't change from age to age. If something about Him was true in Old or New Testament times, it should still be true today. (Please: I am not saying anything about "dispensations." That's another thread.) Therefore we must compare any new insights we feel the Holy Spirit has given us--and I do not deny that He can give us new insights every day!--with the Bible, which most of us agree contains true statements about God and His ways.

It's strange how many of those who defend Sunday feel compelled to write extensive dissertations regarding their beliefs, while all we Sabbath-keepers have to do is to quote a few clear Scripture passages.