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Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

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In Leviticus 23:15-16 we find three references to the word Sabbath (or Sabbaths) -- notice!

"And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the LORD" (NKJ Version).
 
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Again do you really think Passover was a Festival annual Sabbath???
Yes, the Lord called feastsl His sabbatons, while the 7th day (weekly cycle)the Sabbath.

Now I want you to do something for me.....
15And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

16Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
count 50 days from the morrow after the seventh sabbath backwards and tell me what day do you come to?
 
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The kind of work prohibited on the Sabbath and the annual festivals has been defined in the Bible. The weekly Sabbath is a day when all work is prohibited (Lev.23:3). The annual festivals, except for the Day of Atonement, are days when 'professional work' (the means by which one makes a living) is prohibited (Lev.23:7-8, 21, 25, 35-36).

Lev 23 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.​
The Sabbath
3 "‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

The Passover and Unleavened Bread
4 "‘These are the LORD’s appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The LORD’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month.

6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD’s Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present an offering made to the LORD by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’"
Firstfruits​
9 The LORD said to Moses, 10 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the LORD a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil—an offering made to the LORD by fire, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.
Feast of Weeks

15 "‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the LORD. 17 From wherever you live, bring two loaves made of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour, baked with yeast, as a wave offering of firstfruits to the LORD. 18 Present with this bread seven male lambs, each a year old and without defect, one young bull and two rams. They will be a burnt offering to the LORD, together with their grain offerings and drink offerings—an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD. 19 Then sacrifice one male goat for a sin offering and two lambs, each a year old, for a fellowship offering. 20 The priest is to wave the two lambs before the LORD as a wave offering, together with the bread of the firstfruits. They are a sacred offering to the LORD for the priest. 21 On that same day you are to proclaim a sacred assembly and do no regular work. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.
22 "‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.’"
Feast of Trumpets​
23 The LORD said to Moses, 24 "Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present an offering made to the LORD by fire.’"
Day of Atonement​
26 The LORD said to Moses, 27 "The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. 28 Do no work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. 29 Anyone who does not deny himself on that day must be cut off from his people. 30 I will destroy from among his people anyone who does any work on that day. 31 You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 32 It is a sabbath of rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath."
Feast of Tabernacles​
33 The LORD said to Moses, 34 "Say to the Israelites: ‘On the fifteenth day of the seventh month the LORD’s Feast of Tabernacles begins, and it lasts for seven days. 35 The first day is a sacred assembly; do no regular work. 36 For seven days present offerings made to the LORD by fire, and on the eighth day hold a sacred assembly and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. It is the closing assembly; do no regular work.
37 ("‘These are the LORD’s appointed feasts, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies for bringing offerings made to the LORD by fire—the burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings required for each day. 38 These offerings are in addition to those for the LORD’s Sabbaths and in addition to your gifts and whatever you have vowed and all the freewill offerings you give to the LORD.)

39 "‘So beginning with the fifteenth day of the seventh month, after you have gathered the crops of the land, celebrate the festival to the LORD for seven days; the first day is a day of rest, and the eighth day also is a day of rest. 40 On the first day you are to take choice fruit from the trees, and palm fronds, leafy branches and poplars, and rejoice before the LORD your God for seven days. 41 Celebrate this as a festival to the LORD for seven days each year. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come; celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 Live in booths for seven days: All native-born Israelites are to live in booths 43 so your descendants will know that I had the Israelites live in booths when I brought them out of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.’"​
44 So Moses announced to the Israelites the appointed feasts of the LORD.
 
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Yes, the Lord called feastsl His sabbatons, while the 7th day (weekly cycle)the Sabbath.

Now I want you to do something for me.....
count 50 days from the morrow after the seventh sabbath backwards and tell me what day do you come to?

You mean after the 7th week.

Lev 23:9 The LORD said to Moses, 10 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.

FEAST OF WEEKS

Strong's 7676 Shabbath



1) Sabbath
a) sabbath

b) day of atonement
c) sabbath year
d) week
e) produce (in sabbath year)


7620​
shabuwa` { shaw-boo’-ah} or shabua` { shaw-boo’-ah} also (fem.) sh^ebu`ah { sheb-oo-aw’}


properly, pass part of 7650 as a denom. of 7651; TWOT - 2318d; n m

AV - week 19, seven 1; 20

GK - 8651 { ['Wbv;

} & 8652 { h[;Wbv]

1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week
1a) period of seven days, a week
1a1) Feast of Weeks


Deu 16:6But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt. 7And thou shalt roast and eat it in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt turn in the morning, and go unto thy tents. 8Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein. 9Seven weeks [7620] shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks [7620] from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn. 10And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks [7620]unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:


49 days after the first fruits would be sivan 6th :)
 
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What I was getting at that if you count backwards from the "morrow after the seventh sabbath" there would be no confusion as to what day fo the week the start (first fruits) and finish (penticost) of the countng of the omer is. The seventh sabbath can only be tied to weekly sabbath, thereby solving the issue.
 
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What I was getting at that if you count backwards from the "morrow after the seventh sabbath" there would be no confusion as to what day fo the week the start (first fruits) and finish (penticost) of the countng of the omer is. The seventh sabbath can only be tied to weekly sabbath, thereby solving the issue.


And what I was getting at is the word sabbath also means week a period of 7 days. In In dueteronmy the word shabuwa is used to describe the method of counting. Shabuwa means a week. they were suppose to count 7 weeks [49 days]and after the last week have pentecost.
 
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I have also noticed that Joshua never mentioned the sabbath. Joshua never mentioned the weekly sabbath when the did their Passover and first fruits of Joshua 5:10-12. Of course, I also noticed that Joshua never mentioned the sabbath with the fall of Jericho either. It could be just Joshua's writting style.
 
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I have also noticed that Joshua never mentioned the sabbath. Joshua never mentioned the weekly sabbath when the did their Passover and first fruits of Joshua 5:10-12. Of course, I also noticed that Joshua never mentioned the sabbath with the fall of Jericho either. It could be just Joshua's writting style.

Well we know Joshua did what God told him to do. The Manna stopped falling on the day after The feast of unleavened bread. So Israel had no food to eat on Nisan 16th other than the harvest from Canaan.

We Know Passover is the 14th and FOULB is 15th the day after that would be Nisan 16th. We also know the Feast of Unleavened bread Nisan 15th was an Annual Sabbath. We know they reaped grain and ate from Canaan on Nisan 16th.

Lev. 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

Lev 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

Jos 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year. [They had to present the wave sheath before they could eat.]


So yes its just probably just Joshua's style since we know the anual sabbath occured the day before first fruits in Joshua 5.
 
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I have also noticed that Joshua never mentioned the sabbath. Joshua never mentioned the weekly sabbath when the did their Passover and first fruits of Joshua 5:10-12. Of course, I also noticed that Joshua never mentioned the sabbath with the fall of Jericho either. It could be just Joshua's writting style.

Do you think it was necessary for him to mention the Sabbath.

In the book of Esther I do not think the word God is mentioned.
 
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Cliff2 said:
Do you think it was necessary for him to mention the Sabbath.

In the book of Esther I do not think the word God is mentioned.
No I do not think it was important for Joshua to mention the sabbath, for the focus was not on teaching us about sabbath keeping but about, 1.) time frame for entering the promise land (tying it with the spring feasts), and 2.) in Jericho (the walls coming down.) Israel during the six day war in our generation, fought for their rights, and still keep mindful of the sabbath.

It is like the new testament, where since sabbath was as it was before the death and ressurrection of Christ, so there was no mention of the change of days to worhsip. it was not a issue that it is today. Even the gentiles accept that.... and waited until the next sabbath. No mention of sunday gather here.

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

If there was a change, and where there were changes, you will find them in the writtings of Paul, and in Hebrews where there was a change in the priesthood, the temple and it service, the understanding of the spirit of the law, and least important are the traditions of men, to name a few. But there are no scriptures that get into any change of the day of worship.

Sunday keeping would create an uproar in the Jewish community from which this message would have been first proclaimed. If you thought Yeshua was rejected before, if sunday worship is truth, He would have been thrown out even faster. The uproar over sunday keeping and sabbath of old would have been in all over the new testament, It is too significant not to be mentioned.

But it is not mentioned, there was no controversy over this issue. Every statement you find that it is used for sunday and sabbath arguments in the new testament are truly just references to time, season, and place. Since it never left the jewish setting established since Mount Sinai, it was not the focal point of any discussion of any of the apostles letters, or any writtings that any historial document outside of scripture. If God planned this, he would have prophecied it to be coming when Yeshua came. If Yeshua wanted it, He would have intstructed the disciples on it. Worship is too significant to not be addressed by the Holy One of Israel when He walked the earth as God in the Flesh. Every God had its day and the Holy One of Israel was known to have the Sabbath, in fact, He said, He was Lord of the Sabbath, identifying Himself with that time blessed and santified from creation and redemption from Egypt. Why did He not say something them, when He had the chance, about the changes He was going to make regarding the sabbath. The religious leaders were making sabbath keeping styles an issue. He could of pointed out prophecies in scriptures of the change, He could have shown them their errors regarding the day, but all he did is show them their tradition theology in keeping it was not in a loving and caring manner God would be happy with. Sounds like fine tuning what they already have, not a overthrow of what was established on Mount Sinai.

No evidence can bring forth until the 3rd century when political correctness of roman theology dictated it to be so. A little evidence of sunday keeping can be shown in the second century, but nothing before 100 AD. The writtings have been researched for centuries and it just has not been found. It is not there. So with the roman and greek eyes, the scriptures are re-interpretated to mean something that is not there. If the scriptures are understood from the Jewish perspective that the jewish writers wrote it in, the true flavor of what is written come forth.
 
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No I do not think it was important for Joshua to mention the sabbath, for the focus was not on teaching us about sabbath keeping but about, 1.) time frame for entering the promise land (tying it with the spring feasts), and 2.) in Jericho (the walls coming down.) Israel during the six day war in our generation, fought for their rights, and still keep mindful of the sabbath.

It is like the new testament, where since sabbath was as it was before the death and ressurrection of Christ, so there was no mention of the change of days to worhsip. it was not a issue that it is today. Even the gentiles accept that.... and waited until the next sabbath. No mention of sunday gather here.



If there was a change, and where there were changes, you will find them in the writtings of Paul, and in Hebrews where there was a change in the priesthood, the temple and it service, the understanding of the spirit of the law, and least important are the traditions of men, to name a few. But there are no scriptures that get into any change of the day of worship.

Sunday keeping would create an uproar in the Jewish community from which this message would have been first proclaimed. If you thought Yeshua was rejected before, if sunday worship is truth, He would have been thrown out even faster. The uproar over sunday keeping and sabbath of old would have been in all over the new testament, It is too significant not to be mentioned.

But it is not mentioned, there was no controversy over this issue. Every statement you find that it is used for sunday and sabbath arguments in the new testament are truly just references to time, season, and place. Since it never left the jewish setting established since Mount Sinai, it was not the focal point of any discussion of any of the apostles letters, or any writtings that any historial document outside of scripture. If God planned this, he would have prophecied it to be coming when Yeshua came. If Yeshua wanted it, He would have intstructed the disciples on it. Worship is too significant to not be addressed by the Holy One of Israel when He walked the earth as God in the Flesh. Every God had its day and the Holy One of Israel was known to have the Sabbath, in fact, He said, He was Lord of the Sabbath, identifying Himself with that time blessed and santified from creation and redemption from Egypt. Why did He not say something them, when He had the chance, about the changes He was going to make regarding the sabbath. The religious leaders were making sabbath keeping styles an issue. He could of pointed out prophecies in scriptures of the change, He could have shown them their errors regarding the day, but all he did is show them their tradition theology in keeping it was not in a loving and caring manner God would be happy with. Sounds like fine tuning what they already have, not a overthrow of what was established on Mount Sinai.

No evidence can bring forth until the 3rd century when political correctness of roman theology dictated it to be so. A little evidence of sunday keeping can be shown in the second century, but nothing before 100 AD. The writtings have been researched for centuries and it just has not been found. It is not there. So with the roman and greek eyes, the scriptures are re-interpretated to mean something that is not there. If the scriptures are understood from the Jewish perspective that the jewish writers wrote it in, the true flavor of what is written come forth.

I have to agree that Sunday worship is just not an issue in th early Church because they all kept the 7th day as the Sabbath.
 
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It is impossible for Sunday to be a New Christian day of observance because for sunday to be a new day of christian observnce Sunday would have to given before Christ's death. You cannot change a will or covenant after it has been confirmed.


Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

Christ confirmed to New Covenant by shedding His blood.

CEV Hebrew 9:15Christ died to rescue those who had sinned and broken the old agreement. Now he brings his chosen ones a new agreement with its guarantee of God's eternal blessings!

CEV Hebrews 9:16In fact, making an agreement of this kind is like writing a will. This is because the one who makes the will must die before it is of any use.

CEV Hebrews 9:17 In other words, a will doesn't go into effect as long as the one who made it is still alive.

Christ wanted the New Christian ordinance of Baptism to be included in the New Covenant so He personally gave us an example of baptism. Christ wanted the ordinance Lord's Supper included in the new Covenant so He gave us His personal example of the Lord's Supper. Christ wanted the moral law included so he kept the moral law and was sinnles.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Christ never observed the 1st day of the week. He never gave a command to observe the first day of the week prior His death.

Sunday falls 3 days to late to be included in the new covenant. We cannot add to the new covenant after Christ's crucifixion
 
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It is impossible for Sunday to be a New Christian day of observance because for sunday to be a new day of christian observnce Sunday would have to given before Christ's death. You cannot change a will or covenant after it has been confirmed.

This is exactly right, a will/covenant cannot be changed after a person dies. It must be done before the death.

Christ never changed the Sabbath before His death or after it.
 
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