Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

[ThreeAM]

ThreeAM,



re: "There are only two days of the week given names in the Bible. The preparation day [6th day ] and the Sabbath [7th day]."

I am not aware of any scripture that actually identifies the 6th day of the week as the preparation day.

John 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them......13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.... 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him..... 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.... 46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Day 1 preperation day 6th day of the week [ trial/crucifixion ]
Day 2 Sabbath and feast of unleavened bread 7th day of the week [High Day]
Day 3 First fruits/resurrection "today is the third day since these things were done" 1st day of the week.

Typical Jewish inclusive reckoning.

The third day (inclusive reckoning)


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1 Ki 12:5 And he said unto them, Depart yet for three days, then come again to me. And the people departed.


1 Ki 12:12 So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam the third day, as the king had appointed, saying, Come to me again the third day.


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Just for good measure, this same story is told in 2 Chronicles-

2 Chr 10:5 And he said unto them, Come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.


2 Chr 10:12 So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, Come again to me on the third day.


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[Normann]

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Norm, where your argument falls apart is that Jesus had a reason for saying that the 7th day is Sabbath........

Where did Jesus say that the seventh day is the Sabbath?

 

[Normann]

Eh, splitting hairs a bit, semantics maybe. If something has been "set apart" for a sacred purpose, it is "qodesh".


"I. That the first day of each of the three feasts. Passover, Pentecost, and
Tabernacles, was " a holy convocation", a "sabbath" on which no servile
work was to be done. See Leviticus 23:7, 24, 35. Compare Exodus 12:16.

"That sabbath" and the "high day" of John 19:31, was the "holy
convocation", the first day of the feast, which quite overshadowed the
ordinary weekly sabbath.

It was called by the Jews Yom tov = (Good day), and this is the greeting on
that day throughout Jewry down to the present time.

This great sabbath, having been mistaken from the earliest times for the
weekly sabbath, has led to all the confusion.

II. This has naturally caused the futher difficulty as to the Lord's statement that "even as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three
nights" (Matthew 12:40). Now, while it is quite correct to speak according to Hebrew idiom of "three days" or "three years", while they are only parts of three days or three years, yet that idiom does not apply in a case like this, where "three nights" are mentioned in addition to "three days". It will be
noted that the Lord not only definitely states this, but repeats the full phraseology, so that we may not mistake it. See the subject fully discussed in Appendix 144."

III. We have therefore the following facts furnished for our sure guidance:

1. The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast.

2. The "first day of the feast" was on the 15th day of Nisan.

3. The 15th day of Nisan, commenced at sunset on what we should call
the 14th.

4. "Six days before the passover" (John 12:1) takes us back to the 9th
day of Nisan.

5. "After two days is the passover" (Matthew 26:2. Mark 14:1) takes us
to the 13th day of Nisan.

6. "The first day of the week", the day of the resurrection (Matthew
28:1, etc.), was from our Saturday sunset to our Sunday sunset. This
fixes the days of the week, just as the above fix the days of the
month, for:

7. Reckoning back from this, "three days and three nights" (Matthew
12:40), we arrive at the day of the burial, which must have been before
sunset, on the 14th of Nisan; that is to say, before our Wednesday
sunset.

8. This makes the sixth day before the passover (the 9th day of Nisan) to
be our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset. Therefore Wednesday, Nisan 14th (commencing on the Tuesday at sunset), was "the preparation day", on which the crucifixion took place: for all four Gospels difinitely say that this was the day on which the Lord was buried (before our Wednesday sunset), "because it was the preparation [day]" the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, "for that sabbath day was a high day", and, therefore, not the ordinary seventh day, or weekly sabbath.

Now here is someone that did their homework.

I like this post.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[ThreeAM]

Where did Jesus say that the seventh day is the Sabbath?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,



Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [The Lord led Israel out of Egypt into the wilderness]



Num 21:5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.



Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.



Just who sent those fiery serpents?



I Cr 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.


Jon 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.



So it was Jesus Christ that also said these words.



Exo 20:10But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

 

[ThreeAM]

Now here is someone that did their homework.

I like this post.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

See post 521.

 

[rstrats]

ThreeAM,

re: "Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment."

How have you been able to rule out that the commandment being referred to wasn’t the commandment given in Exodus 12:16?





re: "Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done...."

I think that we can confidently say that the crucifixion was included in "these things". Now if Sunday were the third day SINCE these things were done, then Saturday would be the second day SINCE these things were done and Friday would be the first day SINCE these things were done. That would make Thursday the day that the last of "these things" were done. The only thing not stated is what the last thing was. It could have been the crucifixion or maybe the setting of the guard at the tomb or maybe something else. But whatever it was, it couldn’t have occurred any later than Thursday. Thus the "preparation" mentioned in John 19:42 couldn’t have been referring to the sixth day of the week.

 

[ThreeAM]

ThreeAM,

re: "Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment."

How have you been able to rule out that the commandment being referred to wasn’t the commandment given in Exodus 12:16?





re: "Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done...."

I think that we can confidently say that the crucifixion was included in "these things". Now if Sunday were the third day SINCE these things were done, then Saturday would be the second day SINCE these things were done and Friday would be the first day SINCE these things were done. That would make Thursday the day that the last of "these things" were done. The only thing not stated is what the last thing was. It could have been the crucifixion or maybe the setting of the guard at the tomb or maybe something else. But whatever it was, it couldn’t have occurred any later than Thursday. Thus the "preparation" mentioned in John 19:42 couldn’t have been referring to the sixth day of the week.

Please reread the quotes on inclusive reckoning.

A wednesaday crucifixion does not match with the Feast day TYPE set forth in the scriptures.

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread [ A Sabbath]unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Lev 23:7 In the first day [15th] ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev. 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev. 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath [the day after Nisan 15th ie. Nisan 16th] the priest shall wave it.

Lev 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.



OK let’s see what the Children of Israel did on the first Passover. Feast of Unleavened bread and First fruits.





Jos 5:10 And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho. [Passover Nisan 14th]



11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, [Unleavened bread on Nisan 15th] and parched corn in the selfsame day.



12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land [The morrow after Nisan 15th which would be Nisan 16th]; neither had the children of Israel manna [Cessation of Daily Manna on Nisan 16th] any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year. [They began the Firstfruits/Harvest first fruits on the Nisan 16th] the Omer/Firstfruits Havest



I Cr 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.







The Clear example of Passover, Feast of Unleavened, Firstfruits/Harvest is:



Nisan 14th Passover Lamb Slain

Nisan 15th Passover Lamb eaten at the Feast of Unleavened bread

Nisan 16th Firstfruits the Barley Harvest begins [a day of work.] Symbolic of the resurrection.



1 Cr 15 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

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1 Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.



A Wednesday Crucifixion does not match the feast day type set forth in the Bible.

 

[Cliff2]

Where did Jesus say that the seventh day is the Sabbath?

I would like to know where in the Bible that it says that Sunday or the first day of the week is the Sabbath.

 

[PraiseToHim]

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
'nuff said.

 

[rstrats]

PraiseToHim

re: "'nuff said."

Not really. What is your point?

 

[fwiwwl]

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
'nuff said.

Nuff said! I once was in the hospital on on both Sat and Sun. I would hope that those who attended me "in Jesus" were given one day from the week as their sabbath.

 

[PraiseToHim]

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
'nuff said.

The scripture clearly contradicts the basis of this thread.

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

'Nuff said.

 

[reg]

the sabbath is on saturday and praisetohim look in "dumping christianity" thread that u posted in

 

[PraiseToHim]

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
'nuff said.

the sabbath is on saturday

That is not the premise of this thread. The scripture clearly contradicts the basis of this thread.

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


Once again, 'Nuff said.

 

[ThreeAM]

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
'nuff said.

You need to look at these verses in their context

Romans is discussing ceremonial feast days go back and reread the chapter its pretty obvious..There is no mention of food in the 4th commandment. The feast days are part ot the sacrifical/cermonial laws and were abolished at the cross.

In your posting of Col. 2:16 you left out verse 17 which explains which Sabbaths Paul was talking about in verse 16.

Col2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Col. 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


The Ceremonial feast days and their sacrifical system foreshadowed the the Sacrifice of Christ on the cross. The Seventh day Sabbath is part of the Moral Law they are the only thing we have in the Bible that was written on stone by God's on hand.


Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.


The feast days were called Sabbaths but they fell on every day of the week and not specifically the 7th day sabbath. The ceremonial/sacrifical laws were nolonger needed after Christ's ulitimate sacrifice. We still need the moral law today or we would murder, steal etc. etc. etc.


The seventh-day Sabbath looks back to creation not forward to Christ second coming. The seventh day sabbath was not a shadow of things to come. Therefore the seventh day Sabbth was not nailed to the cross.



Exodus20: 8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[rstrats]

PraiseToHim,

re: "The scripture clearly contradicts the basis of this thread."

The basis of this topic is that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week and that it is still to be observed. I see nothing written in the 14th chapter of Romans or in Colossians 2:16 and 17 that has to contradict this.

As for Romans 14:5, the subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with what people eat. Paul is writing about asceticism. Some in the church at Rome believed that Christians should eat only vegetables. Paul calls these people "weak in the faith" (verses 1-2). The stronger in faith know they could also eat meat. Nothing in God’s law prescribes vegetarianism. The stronger in faith knew they were free from non-biblical asceticism. A part of the controversy that had sprung up between the weak and the strong Christians was the esteeming of days. In Rome some people had the pagan idea that on certain days certain foods should or should not be eaten. In this whole chapter Paul was just showing that others should not be offended, particularly weak members who have not yet learned the truth about the proper Christian diet and that they should not be judged by the stronger in the faith. This passage has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

With regard to Colossians 2:16 and 17, how have you been able to rule out that Paul wasn’t simply saying to the Colossians that they should not let anyone - other than the body of Christ, which is the church - criticize them for HOW they were observing the things mentioned in verse 16?

 

[oldsage]

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
'nuff said.

I agree with each one of these passages, but what does it have to do with the question at hand? What does it have to do with the command to keep the Sabbath holy? What does it have to do which day it is?

Chris

 

[ThreeAM]

rstrats

Did you read the 1st example of Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread and Firstfruits observed in the promise land.. What are your thoughts? Also I have always taken a "high day" to mean a double Sabbath where a Feast Day Sabbath falls on a Seventh day Sabbath.

Its also interesing to note Passover Nisan 14th is TYPE of the Crucifixion qnd was not a Cermonial Sabbath.
I Cr 5:7 ."...... For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:"

Also The Firstfruits which is a TYPE of the resurection is not a Cermonial Sabbath.
I Cr 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

But the Feast of Unleavened Bread represents in TYPE Freedom from sin and is a Cermonial Sabbath . I Cr 5:7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened....." I personaly think God declaired the 1st day of The Feast of Unleavened bread a Cermonial Sabbath because He knew the TYPE would befulfilled on the 7th Day Sabbath.


Also Lazurus' body stank after being dead 4 days...not surprising.

Acts 2:27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Strong's Greek 1311

Corruption: diaphthora


1) corruption, destruction 2) in the NT that destruction which is effected by the decay of the body after death

Jh 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

Christ body was probably not in the grave for more than 36 hours it would easily began to decay by 72 hours.

 

[Cliff2]

That is not the premise of this thread. The scripture clearly contradicts the basis of this thread.

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.


Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


Once again, 'Nuff said.

Where do you find the support from those

texts to keep the first day of the week

holy.​

 

[woobadooba]

I predict that this is going to be the longest thread in GT one day.