Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

[rstrats]

Normann,

re: "One fellow I know had his sabbath on Friday because it was Saturday in his area...He did it wrong!"

And your point would be?

 

[rstrats]

Normann,

re: "Do you eat out on Saturday, buy gas, turn on a light?"

What does that have to do with the Sabbath being on the seventh day of the week and whether or not it is supposed to be observed?

 

[rstrats]

Normann,

You made the statement; "On October 5,1582 it suddenly became October 15, 1582; we lost ten days and the weekly sabbath is no longer the same seventh day!"

I would still like to know how that change affected the continuity of the seven day cycle.

 

[rstrats]

Normann,

In your post # 310 you wrote: "If the fifteenth day of Abib is when Israel left Egypt, which was on the sabbath, was Saturday, then the seventh-day sabbath would fall on Saturday for seven weeks or forty-nine days. The fiftieth day, Sunday, would be Pentecost. The next seventh-day sabbath after Pentecost would then fall on Sunday."

What specific scripture do you think causes this yearly interruption in the weekly cycle?

 

[Normann]

...........it is based on a weekly cycle...........
............................

Salvation is of the Bible, based on the blood of Jesus Christ- not a weekly cycle, a calendar, and not a religion started by people of a questionable character.

Hebrews 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The sabbath command is not found in the N.T.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[oldsage]

well, I think we all realize by now that Normann can't answer the questions posed by us. And all his statements have been refuted. He can't support his assertions and doesn't seem to want to. I think the people he is trying to warn see the weakness in his arguments and his lack of responses to the questions posed to him, which makes his position lacking.

It is clear from all the arguments on this thread that the Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, which has been acknowledged by both Catholic and Protestant Christians with Normann being the only one that doesn't understand. The position of the non-sabbatarians is not believing that the literal Sabbath needs to be kept on a specific day but we can pick a day and keep it or it been fulfilled and we keep it in some sort of spiritual way now. The opponents of keeping the seventh day holy has better ground to stand on than Normann, at least they acknowledge the day it was kept, whereas Normann simply ignores the facts.


Chris

 

[rstrats]

Normann,

re: "The sabbath command if not found in the N.T."

Hebrews 4:9: " It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the sabbath" (Holy Bible from the Ancient Eastern Text).

 

[Normann]

Don't try and make the Sabbath an issue of turning on lights or eating food.
Jesus did not support that type of Sabbath keeping.

So you believe it's O.K. just to keep part of a commandment?

Exodus 20:10 ............in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[Normann]

Perhaps I misunderstood your question about eating on Sabbath.

I did not see the wrod "out" in your question.

I do not eat out if you mean by buying my food on the Sabbath. I do not do that.

Also I make sure my car has enough petrol in it on Friday afternoon to take me where I plan to go on Sabbath.

But Cliff, you keep the sabbath on Friday, you told this yourself last Friday.
It was Saturday in Australia; but only Firday here!

You should have waited until it was Saturday everywhere!

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[BrightCandle]

Salvation is of the Bible, based on the blood of Jesus Christ- not a weekly cycle, a calendar, and not a religion started by people of a questionable character.

Hebrews 7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The sabbath command is not found in the N.T.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

The Sabbath commandment is based on a 7 day weekly cycle, with the 7th day being the Sabbath. Salvation is found in Jesus. And Jesus created the Sabbath and wrote it in stone. The Bible that Protestant Christians use in comprised of the OT and NT., not just one or the other. When Paul said "all Scripture is profitable for doctrine. . ." He meant all, both OT and NT. And the Scriptures that Jesus used was a OT Bible, that contained the Sabbath commandment.

If the Sabbath commandment did not exist in the N.T., then Jesus would not have keep it! Jesus said many times that "I do the will of Him that send me." And His Father is the One who send Him. Even if you calculate the number of Sabbaths that Jesus kept from 12 years old to 33 years old, it would add up to 1,092 Sabbaths. Norman, if you really want to follow in Jesus' footsteps then you ought to start walking into an SDA church next Sabbath! That is where you would find Jesus, if He were here now. Do you think that He would be going to church on Sunday? A day that has no commandment from Jesus to back it up.

 

[Normann]

The commandment of the Sabbath is clear...

Work 6 days and rest the seventh day; the seventh day of the work cycle, not of a week. Read it is Exodus 20 without a preset mind and your heart will understand. Working your servants is as much a part of the Sabbath as any other point. Today our servants are the electric company, phone, and such.

It is clear to anyone that has studied the O.T. in depth that the Sabbath was not every week on the same day as the SDA teaches. The Sabbath has over the years been on every day of the week. How can the whole world keep the same day when it is Saturday on one side of the I.D.L. and Sunday on the other.

To continue to preach a day is folly, Paul preached Christ and Him crucified and gave us a guide line for the Sabbath or any other day!

Col. 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

If you want to keep a Sabbath I find no problem with it but don't try to tell others God rested on Saturday, or that I'm doing wrong by not keeping a Sabbath.

And most important, don't preach the gospel using a calendar.

2 Tim. 2:15
IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[rstrats]

Normann,

re: " ...the Sabbath was not every week on the same day.... The Sabbath has over the years been on every day of the week."

I would still like to know what scripture you are using to make that statement.



re: "How can the whole world keep the same day when it is Saturday on one side of the I.D.L. and Sunday on the other."

You keep the Sabbath when the Sabbath gets to you.



re: " Paul preached Christ and Him crucified and gave us a guide line for the Sabbath or any other day! Col. 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."

How have you been able to rule out that Paul wasn’t simply saying to the Colossians that they should not let anyone - other than the body of Christ, which is the church - criticize them for HOW they were observing the things mentioned in verse 16?

 

[Pauly]

sin is transgression of the law,the 4th commandment is to keep holy the sabbath day and if we dont , we are sinning and if we dont repent which means to turn from our sin we can't enter the kingdom of Heaven

 

[Cliff2]

But Cliff, you keep the sabbath on Friday, you told this yourself last Friday.
It was Saturday in Australia; but only Firday here!

You should have waited until it was Saturday everywhere!

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

The Sabbath is based on when the sun sets on the 6th day of the week and continues until the sun sets on the 7th day of the week.

Those times obviously is different in each time zone of the world.

What problem do you see with that?

 

[BrightCandle]

The commandment of the Sabbath is clear...

Work 6 days and rest the seventh day; the seventh day of the work cycle, not of a week. Read it is Exodus 20 without a preset mind and your heart will understand. Working your servants is as much a part of the Sabbath as any other point. Today our servants are the electric company, phone, and such.

It is clear to anyone that has studied the O.T. in depth that the Sabbath was not every week on the same day as the SDA teaches. The Sabbath has over the years been on every day of the week. How can the whole world keep the same day when it is Saturday on one side of the I.D.L. and Sunday on the other.

To continue to preach a day is folly, Paul preached Christ and Him crucified and gave us a guide line for the Sabbath or any other day!

Col. 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

If you want to keep a Sabbath I find no problem with it but don't try to tell others God rested on Saturday, or that I'm doing wrong by not keeping a Sabbath.

And most important, don't preach the gospel using a calendar.

2 Tim. 2:15
IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

Jesus said that "If you love, keep my commandments". Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath. If He is our example then shouldn't we do the same. To deny that you can keep His commandments in our modern times, is a denial of the power of God to empower you to do so. In every age of history, people have been tested, will you do what man says, or what God clearly says.

 

[seekthetruth909]

[BIBLE]

Romans 14:5-7
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone.
Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath

[/BIBLE] day.

 

[oldsage]

[BIBLE]
Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath

[/BIBLE] day.

explain this passage, when there is no commentary we can say it means anything, what does it mean to you and why?

Chris

 

[Normann]

The Sabbath is based on when the sun sets on the 6th day of the week and continues until the sun sets on the 7th day of the week.

Those times obviously is different in each time zone of the world.

What problem do you see with that?

So then the Sabbath is not the same day all over the world? You keep the Sabbath on my Friday (Set-set Thursday to Sun-set Friday).

SDA teaches the Seventh day is the Sabbath, but you keep it on my sixth day.

Therefore the SDA is teaching something not backed up by scripture!

If one crossed the IDL at midnight Friday, he would entirely miss the Saturday Sabbath and be sinning because it is now Sunday!

The SDA is based on a calendar.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[rstrats]

Normann,

re: " ...the Sabbath was not every week on the same day.... The Sabbath has over the years been on every day of the week."

I would still like to know what scripture you are using to make that statement.

 

[Cliff2]

So then the Sabbath is not the same day all over the world? You keep the Sabbath on my Friday (Set-set Thursday to Sun-set Friday).

SDA teaches the Seventh day is the Sabbath, but you keep it on my sixth day.

Therefore the SDA is teaching something not backed up by scripture!

If one crossed the IDL at midnight Friday, he would entirely miss the Saturday Sabbath and be sinning because it is now Sunday!

The SDA is based on a calendar.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

The Bible says that the Sabbath should be kept from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.

The 7th day as far as the Bible is concerned begins on Friday night at sunset.