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Thank you. Don't mind if I do.I thought you said, only a few posts back, that you were going to give this a rest. That sounded like a good idea.
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Thank you. Don't mind if I do.I thought you said, only a few posts back, that you were going to give this a rest. That sounded like a good idea.
So what happened with the pages ripped out after the reformation? By virtue of what rubber stamp?
Correct, that is why I want the fullness of Christ through Scripture and Tradition, Mass, and Eucharist (with transubstantiation). I believe it's the most Christ available in a church. *Obviously that's why I'm Catholic*
If you don't want the Real Presence of Christ in your communion that's a choice you have to make. I myself am very happy to receive the transubstantiation at MassChrist is found in our heart. I can tell by what you say that RC doesn't have fullness any more than others. They just think they do. *Why I'm not Catholic*
I have the real presence of the Lord daily, as I seek him in prayer, and cast all my cares on him. Why would I need what I already have?If you don't want the Real Presence of Christ in your communion that's a choice you have to make. I myself am very happy to receive the transubstantiation at Mass
I think both of you are at least partially wrong about this, but most Christians regardless of denomination do believe in the Real Presence, so that's nothing to worry overly much about.If you don't want the Real Presence of Christ in your communion that's a choice you have to make. I myself am very happy to receive the transubstantiation at Mass
hahahahahaha hahahahah thats so funny / NO the roman catholic church came about 400 years after so by every reason above CANNOT be his church . .. lol that is such common knowledge this is a great JOKE.
. i get it .. your very very funny -you made a very funny joke .
If you feel you do not need his physical presence then what you have is satisfactioryI have the real presence of the Lord daily, as I seek him in prayer, and cast all my cares on him. Why would I need what I already have?
Not true. Jesus started a single Church, led by the apostles. The apostles, appointed by Jesus, chose successors.
Here's one of them writing in 107 AD. Ignatius was a follower of John:
“You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles. Reverence the deacons as you would the command of God. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop, or by one whom he appoints. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Nor is it permitted without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate the agape; but whatever he approve, this too is pleasing to God, so that whatever is done will be secure and valid.” (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Bishop and Martyr; Letter to the Smyrneans § 8)
I think we are having a misunderstanding. I'm referring to the Real Presence as in the physical presence of Christ as the bread and wine are turned into flesh and blood. Only Catholics, Orthodox, and Episcopalians have this Sacrament. Lutherans have a version of it. I believe you are referring to a spiritual presence which I believe is valid.I have the real presence. You cant sell me what I already have
The reference there is to the undenominational church as opposed to the Gnostics and other mystery religions. The word means "authentic."
It is not a reference to the church that took the word ("Catholic") for its formal name. If you insist upon claiming otherwise, we'll have to say something in kind--that your church doesn't have bishops at all since we see that there's a different denomination that has the legal name of "THE Episcopal Church." Or could we say that your church's beliefs are "Unorthodox" since another church titles itself as "Orthodox?"
I think we are having a misunderstanding. I'm referring to the Real Presence as in the physical presence of Christ as the bread and wine are turned into flesh and blood. Only Catholics, Orthodox, and Episcopalians have this Sacrament. Lutherans have a version of it. I believe you are referring to a spiritual presence which I believe is valid.
This "undenominational" church in Rome I believe is what we now know as the Roman Catholic Church. The Episcopal Church came from that in England and the Eastern Catholic Church became the Orthodox Church
Um, the Church of New Testament times was centred around the apostles in Jerusalem. Even after the destruction of Jerusalem, the church in Rome wasn't accorded any special status until the mid second century. Except in Catholic mythology, of course.
I have the real presence. You cant sell me what I already have
Here is a list of the first Popes. The Roman Catholic Church is pretty old
- St. Peter (32-67)
- St. Linus (67-76)
- St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
- St. Clement I (88-97)
- St. Evaristus (97-105)
- St. Alexander I (105-115)
- St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
- St. Telesphorus (125-136)
- St. Hyginus (136-140)
- St. Pius I (140-155)
- St. Anicetus (155-166)
- St. Soter (166-175)