Which "Christians" will not be saved?

timothyu said:

He took away sin by giving an option.

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Please explain how "giving an option" takes away any sin. And provide Scripture that supports your contention.

The Bible says He took away our sin by His own sacrifice on the cross.

timothyu said:

Follow the Gospel of the Kingdom, not the gospels of man.

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Please define the gospel of the kingdom. I've never heard of such a gospel. I am very familiar with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

FreeGrace2 said:

Works and grace do NOT go together in God's plan for salvation. We are saved by grace, through faith. Eph 2:8.

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Grace is from God in offering the Kingdom as an option to the original death.. Man must abide by His rules to attain the reward..

I said:
"But I'd love to see any verses you think supports your views."

timothyu said:

Read the first four books all pertaining to Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom and how since the garden God has taught the difference between His ways and man's yet they still refuse to listen.

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I'll respond by challenging you to read the entire NT to see that man is saved by grace through faith and nothing besides.

Christianity has too long overlooked His Gospel for another.

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So, Christianity is "another gospel", huh. Care to back that up with evidence? Do you claim to be a Christian?

Christianity (the church of man) lays the groundwork but we must find the path (the church of God) for ourselves.

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I'm sure Satan hopes everyone believes this way. Go find the way of God yourself.

Religion vs scripture. Doctrines vs the words of Jesus.

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From this and your previous posts, it is clear to me that you don't know Scripture.

BCsenior said:

Yes, salvation is having belief-faith-trust that
Jesus will get you through ... IF you do your part.

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The only part we have is to receive eternal life through faith in the work of Christ.

FreeGrace2 said:

Please explain how "giving an option" takes away any sin. And provide Scripture that supports your contention.

The Bible says He took away our sin by His own sacrifice on the cross.

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He took away sin by bringing the Kingdom to fruition by His sacrifice and never failing the will of the Father, rather than following His own as man is prone to do. That is the basis of the whole Gospel of the Kingdom He (but obviously not man) taught

FreeGrace2 said:

I'll respond by challenging you to read the entire NT to see that man is saved by grace through faith and nothing besides.

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I've responded to that.

FreeGrace2 said:

So, Christianity is "another gospel", huh. Care to back that up with evidence? Do you claim to be a Christian?

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Yes, it is called the gospel of salvation. Most Christians have heard of it and been diverted from Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom by it. A part gospel of salvation does not constitute the whole one of the Kingdom

FreeGrace2 said:

From this and your previous posts, it is clear to me that you don't know Scripture.

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Of course I do. That is where Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom lies.

Anthony2019 said:

I think Galatians 5:22-25 sums it up perfectly. If we have the Holy Spirit living in us, the fruits of the Spirit should be growing in us. Love, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

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Sorry, there's more to it than Galatians 5:22-25.

BCsenior said:

Sorry, there's more to it than Galatians 5:22-25.

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Yes I am familiar with the scripture

FreeGrace2 said:

The only part we have is to receive eternal life through faith in the work of Christ.

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We accept the Kingdom over the world of man. That requires change on our part. It was/is called repentance. The only one that doesn't want change or for us to work at change is the Adversary and it's minions.

I said:
"I'll respond by challenging you to read the entire NT to see that man is saved by grace through faith and nothing besides."

timothyu said:

I've responded to that.

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To whom?

timothyu said:

We accept the Kingdom over the world of man. That requires change on our part. It was/is called repentance. The only one that doesn't want change or for us to work at change is the Adversary and it's minions.

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Quite the contrary! Satan wants everyone to think they have to earn or work for their salvation. He deceived the entire crowd of Pharisees into that heresy.

Because Satan knows that man is saved by grace (no works) through faith. So those who try to earn their way into heaven ain't going to make it. No way.

FreeGrace2 said:

Because Satan knows that man is saved by grace (no works) through faith.

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He knows that the grace of God gave us the Kingdom. It is our salvation from the original death of which he and the rest of world loving mankind will not have a part. We still have to give up allegiance to him and his world of which we call our own. Can't have it both ways.

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The gospel of salvation was created as an aftermath, simply because the original Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus had taught was seen as offensive to the world. It got Jesus killed by those of authority who were threatened by it. A Gentile church which was created and soon operated in tandem with the world of man, certainly could not use a Gospel that threatened the very Roman authority that desired to use that church, first to win a war, next conveniently to head the scattered churches, then in the process, to unite an empire. They needed a gospel that would not step on the toes of worldly selfishness, power and greed as Jesus' Gospel did. We see the results today and people still follow the same misdirected religious attempt to keep things being of the world rather than of the Kingdom.

timothyu said:

Plain and simply...

The gospel of salvation was created as an aftermath, simply because the original Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus had taught was seen as offensive to the world.

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This is purely delusional.

The plan of salvation was created before the foundation of the world.

1 Pet 1:20 - He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made
manifest in the last times for the sake of you ...

It got Jesus killed by those of authority who were threatened by it.

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The common understanding in 1st Century Palestine is that anyone put on a cross would physically die as a result. No one survived being on a cross. So it's common to say others killed Jesus.

However, the discerning Bible student knows that Jesus dismissed His own spirit after He finished dying spiritually for all of mankind. His last words were 'tetalestai', meaning "it is finished", or "paid in full". John 19:30 actually says He dismissed His spirit.

New International Version
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

New Living Translation
When Jesus had tasted it, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

English Standard Version
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Berean Study Bible
When Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished.” And bowing His head, He yielded up His spirit.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

New King James Version
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

King James Bible
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
When Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" Then bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

International Standard Version
After Jesus had taken the wine, he said, "It is finished." Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.

NET Bible
When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said, "It is completed!" Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

New Heart English Bible
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished." He bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
When he took the vinegar, Yeshua said, “Behold, it is finished.” And he bowed his head and gave up his Spirit.

New American Standard 1977
When Jesus therefore had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head, and gave up His spirit.

Jubilee Bible 2000
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished, and he bowed his head and gave the Spirit.

King James 2000 Bible
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

American King James Version
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

American Standard Version
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said: It is consummated. And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.

Darby Bible Translation
When therefore Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished; and having bowed his head, he delivered up his spirit.

English Revised Version
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Weymouth New Testament
As soon as Jesus had taken the wine, He said, "It is finished." And then, bowing His head, He yielded up His spirit.

World English Bible
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished." He bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Young's Literal Translation
when, therefore, Jesus received the vinegar, he said, 'It hath been finished;' and having bowed the head, gave up the spirit.

So, just to be clear, the words "gave up" and "yielded up" is an action that Jesus did.

If you were crucified on a cross, could it be said of you that you gave up your spirit, or yielded up your spirit as you die physically?

FreeGrace2 said:

"it is finished"[/Father by His grace. QUOTE]

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Yes, His part in bringing about the Kingdom given to us as a gift from the Father. He did only the will of the Father and not His own will or the will of man

FreeGrace2 said:

The plan of salvation was created before the foundation of the world.

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That has nothing to do with what I said. Man created a misrepresentation of the Gospel of the Kingdom by using only part of it and ignoring the rest. What would you expect from a church/religion that rejoined the word of man to become a worldly power of it's own based on the foundations of all human institutions rather than the kingdom of God. It accepted the offer from the Adversary that Jesus refused, yet claim to represent Him. Either they deliberately misdirected the teachings of Jesus for their own power and glory, or they never understood those teachings in the first place, which applies to most today. also. The blind have lead the blind out of tradition for almost 2000 years just a s God knew they would, preferring the self serving ways of the world to the ways of the Kingdom. Those on the wide path refuse to seek the narrow. Yet in this way the scripture was carried on by a religion that had lost sight of what Jesus taught. God uses the gentiles for His own purpose in achieving this (just as He used the Jews with forwarding the OT) but our time is also about at an end.

God by His grace gave us the Kingdom, a second chance, not a reprieve from the death sentence. But those loyal to the world need not apply. The reward is not theirs. All do not benefit from the grace of God.; Only those who rebel against the world of man and change allegiance. Rebellious angels and rebellious man will find no place in the Kingdom.

timothyu said:

Yes, His part in bringing about the Kingdom given to us as a gift from the Father.
He did only the will of the Father and not His own will or the will of man

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Yes, "It is finished!" meant He had finished what He came to accomplish!
Yes, a "no-brainer".

timothyu said:

Rebellious angels and rebellious man will find no place in the Kingdom.

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Rebellious anyone is he who refuses to obey what God has commanded him to do!

BCsenior said:

Rebellious anyone is he who refuses to obey what God has commanded him to do!

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As it has been since the beginning. The opposite of rebellious is repentant. Few seek the path.