Which came first: Adam or the Child Adam?

[pinacled]

Since when do we first say “hello” as though we are drinking coffee together? People here don’t even use names. Some take upon themselves names of emmense honor instead of normal humble human names.

True,
There are gentle souls to be found

 

[Dorothy Mae]

True,
There are gentle souls to be found

How does this answer my question? We are a discussion site, not a tea party talking about the weather.

 

[pinacled]

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”


16 To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”


17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”


20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Romans 8
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.

By a curse I mean a punishment a consequence or a corruption of what was. Curse is probably a poor word choice since only the serpent was cursed.

Exactly,
Only the serpent was cursed.

 

[pinacled]

How does this answer my question? We are a discussion site, not a tea party talking about the weather.

If you would like a change in weather

Ask

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Exactly,
Only the serpent was cursed.

Incorrect. The ground was as well.

 

[pinacled]

Incorrect. The ground was as well.

The ground and blood that seals the serpents fate is a Truth

 

[pinacled]

Incorrect. The ground was as well.

And if child like Adam or Eve were given a certain article of spiritual armor.
I imagine they would trample the serpent with due diligence.

 

[pinacled]

How does this answer my question? We are a discussion site, not a tea party talking about the weather.

Who is the "We" in your party?

If I recall correctly gottservant asked about the childhood of Adam.

 

[Gottservant]

Who is the "We" in your party?

If I recall correctly gottservant asked about the childhood of Adam.

It was a sincere question.

I doubt it was meant, for those whose spiritual maturity still questions its root.

There are ways to read scripture that do not bring offence, but as Jesus said "offences must come, but woe to him by whom the offence comes".

 

[pinacled]

It was a sincere question.

I doubt it was meant, for those whose spiritual maturity still questions its root.

There are ways to read scripture that do not bring offence, but as Jesus said "offences must come, but woe to him by whom the offence comes".

The sincere milk is quite important during fellowship discussion in a studious manner.

Reconciling certain subjects of our Thoughts toward what was, is, always is Holy and righteous is apart of growth for both sons and daughters.

I believe that you have touched upon a principle view of how Adam should be seen. A child in need of instruction during his growth.
A noble thought.

While havel(able) is said to be righteous along with iyov being blamless by The Lord.
I know there is no debate or discussion needed to the contrary.
Personally,
I prefer fruitful conversations where nourishment is given to those with ears as readers visiting here.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

The sincere milk is quite important during fellowship discussion in a studious manner.

Reconciling certain subjects of our Thoughts toward what was, is, always is Holy and righteous is apart of growth for both sons and daughters.

I believe that you have touched upon a principle view of how Adam should be seen. A child in need of instruction during his growth.
A noble thought.

While havel(able) is said to be righteous along with iyov being blamless by The Lord.
I know there is no debate or discussion needed to the contrary.
Personally,
I prefer fruitful conversations where nourishment is given to those with ears as readers visiting here.

Blessings Always

Anyone agree?

 

[pinacled]

In order to navigate the terrain of Torah in spirit without fear.
First a person will need to learn what it means to bless both adam and eve and their righteous child Havel(able) as The Lord has.

Focus on such and a person may even grow toward a certain yom where a voice of many waters is heard

If not the door will be hidden from their heart .

Thrice such the Lord offered salvation.
Once with two angels at lots door.
Once at an orphan and widows Door.
Finally an offer is given by the Hand of The Lord Yeshua himself.

Blessed be The Holy One

 

[pinacled]

When The Lord walks in the cool of a Yom(day).
I can only imagine a fruit in the spirit of gentleness where the enemy takes kindness for weakness.

If Adam were a child I imagine the Lord would have instructed him in Truth.

And even sheltered him in promises likened to armor.

I wonder if anyone here recalls their first steps as a child?

 

[Paul James]

As to the creation days, do you then think 24 hour days are not meant? If Adam is formed on day 6, and that Eve is also formed on day 6, but that Adam experienced many years of growing up before Eve is ever formed, obviously that can't be accomplished in a single 24 hour period or less. Or do you perhaps think neither Adam nor Eve were the ones being created in the 6th day in Genesis 1?

My question is, if "day" meaning morning to evening as the Bible says, and, as some say, is a longer period than 24 hours, then how long was the "night"?

Also, seasons and years were also mentioned. How long was a year? If the "day" was not a 24 hour day according to the rotation of the earth, then talking about seasons and years makes no sense at all.

Also, when God said, "Let there be light", it means that He created light before He created the sun. So until the sun was created there was a light source that lit the earth as it rotated as 12 days and 12 nights, and when the sun was created, that became the world's light source from then on.

 

[Paul James]

A day is relative to the time needed to turn from one side of Earth back to the beginning.

A day is not the repeat of a stop-watch, to a set time.

However much stop-watch time was needed by day 6, it was enough for Adam to reach Manhood (and at a different time for Eve to reach Womanhood).

As Earth's relative time became more consistent, stop-watch time became more relevant - but even then God promises through Jesus that the times will be shortened for the sake of the Elect.

You mean that the earth rotated at a slower rate before day 6?

 

[JacksBratt]

A day is relative to the time needed to turn from one side of Earth back to the beginning.

A day is not the repeat of a stop-watch, to a set time.

However much stop-watch time was needed by day 6, it was enough for Adam to reach Manhood (and at a different time for Eve to reach Womanhood).

As Earth's relative time became more consistent, stop-watch time became more relevant - but even then God promises through Jesus that the times will be shortened for the sake of the Elect.

Some may need to manipulate the length of a day in Genesis and for the creation specifically.

However, others are quite able to understand that a day is a day is a day and has not changed or needed to change since "Let there be light".

God said that He created all that was created and that He did it in six days.

Unless you can prove that God could not have done this, that it was beyond His abilities... Then I will stand on six literal days and that He made Adam as a mature man..

Why is there any need for any other manipulation of what was written?

 

[Gottservant]

A day is a transit of the Sun, across the sky.

That means the hours of the Day are relative, to the speed of the transit.

There is no need to institute a subtext, that we were ever anything other than the focus of God (on this Earth).