Which came first: Adam or the Child Adam?

[pinacled]

I don't know. Even though she sinned first there is a distinction through the scripture between what she did and what he did.
All the scriptures about Eve it says that she was deceived but he wasn't.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (1 Timothy 2:13–14)

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:3)
So he ate with full knowledge of what he was doing and it was his sin not hers that brought in death.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-
Eve's sin is never connected to death.

I've often thought this is what the Bible means when it says we are the weaker vessel. We are more easily deceived, more trusting.
1 Peter 3:7

7 Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.
Men obviously have more physical strength but women are not weak in general. We have a lower mortality rate as children, tend to live longer and we have to give birth, trust me that is not for the weak. I think overall women handle being sick or in pain better than most men.

I think this is why the man is supposed to be the spiritual head of the household. Right from the start he was in charge and she was his helpmate. God charged Adam with naming the animals and as far as we know only gave him the command to not eat.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Nowhere does it say he commanded the women, so we don't know if God told her directly or if Adam explained it to her.
She knew that she should not eat but I've often wondered when she said
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die."
That when she repeated the command incorrectly -was that because God never never told her the command, because Adam had told her the command incorrectly? Or did she come up with that herself?

The other odd thing is why did Adam say or do nothing?
She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
She didn't go and find him, he was right there. He heard what the serpent said and wasn't deceived so why didn't he react, say something, try to stop it? So no I don't think he ate because of his love and concern for her, he should have prevented it from happening.

To me it seems like he knew exactly what he was doing and used her as the handy scapegoat because he readily tossed her under the bus when confronted by God.
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”


12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
Not like he didn't know what tree it was from he didn't eat by mistake.

Her curse wasn't connected to leaving the garden nor does God say anything about the command not to eat to her. Her curse is towards Adam and childbirth.
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labour you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”


17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food

It's interesting but I don't think he was in anguish over what she did at all.

Serpents do not sweat..
.

 

[Jonaitis]

Hi there,

So yes, this is just meant by way of filling in the gaps: Adam was not necessarily an adult, when God made him.

Which came first, Adam, the adult or Adam the child?

Intuitively, we assert the Child Adam came first, right? That way there is time for Creation to be experienced, before a little while down the track Eve is created.

This is not meant to confuse you, if you want to go back to believing God created Adam the Man, you can - it just won't be without that little nudging from the Holy Spirit, that maybe it (the Child Adam) was true?

I don't buy into the child Adam. After he was formed from the dust of the earth, was immediately given a task to till the ground in the garden and name the animals, which doing alone God gave him a "helper" and commanded them to "be fruitful and multiply." The events imply that God created and formed a fully adult man, who did not need to grow up from an infant stage.

 

[pinacled]

I don't know. Even though she sinned first there is a distinction through the scripture between what she did and what he did.
All the scriptures about Eve it says that she was deceived but he wasn't.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (1 Timothy 2:13–14)

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:3)
So he ate with full knowledge of what he was doing and it was his sin not hers that brought in death.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-
Eve's sin is never connected to death.

I've often thought this is what the Bible means when it says we are the weaker vessel. We are more easily deceived, more trusting.
1 Peter 3:7

7 Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.
Men obviously have more physical strength but women are not weak in general. We have a lower mortality rate as children, tend to live longer and we have to give birth, trust me that is not for the weak. I think overall women handle being sick or in pain better than most men.

I think this is why the man is supposed to be the spiritual head of the household. Right from the start he was in charge and she was his helpmate. God charged Adam with naming the animals and as far as we know only gave him the command to not eat.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Nowhere does it say he commanded the women, so we don't know if God told her directly or if Adam explained it to her.
She knew that she should not eat but I've often wondered when she said
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die."
That when she repeated the command incorrectly -was that because God never never told her the command, because Adam had told her the command incorrectly? Or did she come up with that herself?

The other odd thing is why did Adam say or do nothing?
She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
She didn't go and find him, he was right there. He heard what the serpent said and wasn't deceived so why didn't he react, say something, try to stop it? So no I don't think he ate because of his love and concern for her, he should have prevented it from happening.

To me it seems like he knew exactly what he was doing and used her as the handy scapegoat because he readily tossed her under the bus when confronted by God.
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”


12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
Not like he didn't know what tree it was from he didn't eat by mistake.

Her curse wasn't connected to leaving the garden nor does God say anything about the command not to eat to her. Her curse is towards Adam and childbirth.
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labour you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”


17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food

It's interesting but I don't think he was in anguish over what she did at all.

Two question for a child like Adam.
When did he rest and when did he eat.

The man that brought death into the world has a name.
And a seal of loss of inheritance .

Only an adult Adam in maturity is given rest.

But what do I know?

 

[coffee4u]

I will answer your direct question but I won't answer riddles.

Two question for a child like Adam.


When did he rest and when did he eat.

He was created
7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

God placed him into the garden
15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it

God told Adam that he was free to eat.
6 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
We are not given details about Adam's first meal or when he chose to eat, we only know that he was free to do so.

God brought the animals in front of Adam to be named.
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

After Adam realized none of the animals were like him, God made a woman.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
At this point it is sometime into day 6 and there is no Sabbath rest yet.

It is possible genesis 3 happens sometime later or it could even still be day 6. A time or day is not given. All we know is that the serpent talks to Eve (who is of yet unnamed)
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

The serpent is not Adam the serpent is Satan.
Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.


She gives the fruit to Adam and he eats as well.
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

They are confronted by God late in the day.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day,

Adam blames the woman
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

She blames the serpent
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

God then tells them what their disobedience has done and they are cursed.
Verses 14-15 are to the serpent
verse 16 is to the woman
Verses 17 to 19 are towards Adam.
Adam is not the serpent.

The man that brought death into the world has a name.

Yes, his name is Adam.
Romans 5
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-

16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Adam was just a man not the serpent.
Because we are all Adam's descendants we are all the people to whom death came. But also because we are his descendants we also can be rectified back to God through Christ.

God set aside the Sabbath on the seventh day.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
If Adam and Eve followed God's command for the sabbath day of rest we are not told. I will assume they did since their son's knew to bring a sacrifice.

And a seal of loss of inheritance .

Only an adult Adam in maturity is given rest.

But what do I know?

I don't know what you don't know but I suggest studying the Bible since it has the answers.

 

[pinacled]

I will answer your direct question but I won't answer riddles.



He was created
7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

God placed him into the garden
15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it

God told Adam that he was free to eat.
6 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
We are not given details about Adam's first meal or when he chose to eat, we only know that he was free to do so.

God brought the animals in front of Adam to be named.
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

After Adam realized none of the animals were like him, God made a woman.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
At this point it is sometime into day 6 and there is no Sabbath rest yet.

It is possible genesis 3 happens sometime later or it could even still be day 6. A time or day is not given. All we know is that the serpent talks to Eve (who is of yet unnamed)
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

The serpent is not Adam the serpent is Satan.
Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.


She gives the fruit to Adam and he eats as well.
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

They are confronted by God late in the day.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day,

Adam blames the woman
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

She blames the serpent
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

God then tells them what their disobedience has done and they are cursed.
Verses 14-15 are to the serpent
verse 16 is to the woman
Verses 17 to 19 are towards Adam.
Adam is not the serpent.



Yes, his name is Adam.
Romans 5
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-

16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Adam was just a man not the serpent.
Because we are all Adam's descendants we are all the people to whom death came. But also because we are his descendants we also can be rectified back to God through Christ.

God set aside the Sabbath on the seventh day.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
If Adam and Eve followed God's command for the sabbath day of rest we are not told. I will assume they did since their son's knew to bring a sacrifice.



I don't know what you don't know but I suggest studying the Bible since it has the answers.

What I do know is that Adam and Eve were never cursed by The Most High.

 

[pinacled]

I will answer your direct question but I won't answer riddles.



He was created
7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

God placed him into the garden
15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it

God told Adam that he was free to eat.
6 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
We are not given details about Adam's first meal or when he chose to eat, we only know that he was free to do so.

God brought the animals in front of Adam to be named.
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

After Adam realized none of the animals were like him, God made a woman.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
At this point it is sometime into day 6 and there is no Sabbath rest yet.

It is possible genesis 3 happens sometime later or it could even still be day 6. A time or day is not given. All we know is that the serpent talks to Eve (who is of yet unnamed)
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

The serpent is not Adam the serpent is Satan.
Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.


She gives the fruit to Adam and he eats as well.
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

They are confronted by God late in the day.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day,

Adam blames the woman
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

She blames the serpent
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

God then tells them what their disobedience has done and they are cursed.
Verses 14-15 are to the serpent
verse 16 is to the woman
Verses 17 to 19 are towards Adam.
Adam is not the serpent.



Yes, his name is Adam.
Romans 5
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-

16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Adam was just a man not the serpent.
Because we are all Adam's descendants we are all the people to whom death came. But also because we are his descendants we also can be rectified back to God through Christ.

God set aside the Sabbath on the seventh day.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
If Adam and Eve followed God's command for the sabbath day of rest we are not told. I will assume they did since their son's knew to bring a sacrifice.



I don't know what you don't know but I suggest studying the Bible since it has the answers.

Question:
For yourself as a child and all readers also.
When Yeshua(Jesus) said do not hinder the children.
Do you believe he was discounting Adamah(Adam) and Chavah(Eve?

After all, The Lord has said to honor our mother and father

 

[Gottservant]

Question:
For yourself as a child and all readers also.
When Yeshua(Jesus) said do not hinder the children.
Do you believe he was discounting Adamah(Adam) and Chavah(Eve?

After all, The Lord has said to honor our mother and father

Sharp word, brother!

You got even me thinking, there.

 

[pinacled]

Sharp word, brother!

You got even me thinking, there.

Thankyou for setting the table.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi there,

So yes, this is just meant by way of filling in the gaps: Adam was not necessarily an adult, when God made him.

Which came first, Adam, the adult or Adam the child?

Intuitively, we assert the Child Adam came first, right? That way there is time for Creation to be experienced, before a little while down the track Eve is created.

This is not meant to confuse you, if you want to go back to believing God created Adam the Man, you can - it just won't be without that little nudging from the Holy Spirit, that maybe it (the Child Adam) was true?

Since this goes against what is written and is basically cruel (a child alone in the world) it is the Holy Spirit nudging us away from this singular view.

 

[pinacled]

Since this goes against what is written and is basically cruel (a child alone in the world) it is the Holy Spirit nudging us away from this singular view.

Who are you calling cruel?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Who are you calling cruel?

If God would create a child all alone in the whole world, it would be cruel.

 

[pinacled]

I will answer your direct question but I won't answer riddles.



He was created
7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

God placed him into the garden
15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it

God told Adam that he was free to eat.
6 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
We are not given details about Adam's first meal or when he chose to eat, we only know that he was free to do so.

God brought the animals in front of Adam to be named.
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

After Adam realized none of the animals were like him, God made a woman.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
At this point it is sometime into day 6 and there is no Sabbath rest yet.

It is possible genesis 3 happens sometime later or it could even still be day 6. A time or day is not given. All we know is that the serpent talks to Eve (who is of yet unnamed)
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

The serpent is not Adam the serpent is Satan.
Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.


She gives the fruit to Adam and he eats as well.
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

They are confronted by God late in the day.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day,

Adam blames the woman
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

She blames the serpent
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

God then tells them what their disobedience has done and they are cursed.
Verses 14-15 are to the serpent
verse 16 is to the woman
Verses 17 to 19 are towards Adam.
Adam is not the serpent.



Yes, his name is Adam.
Romans 5
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-

16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Adam was just a man not the serpent.
Because we are all Adam's descendants we are all the people to whom death came. But also because we are his descendants we also can be rectified back to God through Christ.

God set aside the Sabbath on the seventh day.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
If Adam and Eve followed God's command for the sabbath day of rest we are not told. I will assume they did since their son's knew to bring a sacrifice.



I don't know what you don't know but I suggest studying the Bible since it has the answers.

Being that Adam and Eve spoke the Truth in the cool of certain hour ..

I imagine there are burdens from certain teachers that will hinder Honorable thoughts.

A table has been set.
A choice given.

The East gate as far as I can see is an opportunity few seek.

Especially childlike women who have been laden with unrest.

A double edged sword given in Truth and honor from Adam and Eve is to be handled with care and loving kindness.

Do you agree?

 

[pinacled]

If God would create a child all alone in the whole world, it would be cruel.

Using an If to leap to cruel is an awkward way of saying hello.

 

[Gottservant]

Using an If to leap to cruel is an awkward way of saying hello.

Lol, you make a lot of sense, bro.

I've got a brother willing to defend me, how ace.

 

[pinacled]

Lol, you make a lot of sense, bro.

I've got a brother willing to defend me, how ace.

Disciples in pairs have a way.
Never being alone they also know the sincere milk where confidence is rewarded.

A place in time where blessings are given

 

[Gottservant]

Disciples in pairs have a way.
Never being alone they also know the sincere milk where confidence is rewarded.

A place in time where blessings are given

Indeed, indeed.

Don't worry too much about my little distraction here, if you haven't been as a child (as Jesus said) you will have nothing invested in reading it one way versus another.

The point is, that we confess the truth - is it not?

 

[pinacled]

Indeed, indeed.

Don't worry too much about my little distraction here, if you haven't been as a child (as Jesus said) you will have nothing invested in reading it one way versus another.

The point is, that we confess the truth - is it not?

Water and Fire

 

[coffee4u]

What I do know is that Adam and Eve were never cursed by The Most High.

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”


16 To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”


17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”


20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Romans 8
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.

By a curse I mean a punishment a consequence or a corruption of what was. Curse is probably a poor word choice since only the serpent was cursed.

 

[coffee4u]

Question:
For yourself as a child and all readers also.
When Yeshua(Jesus) said do not hinder the children.
Do you believe he was discounting Adamah(Adam) and Chavah(Eve?

After all, The Lord has said to honor our mother and father

It had nothing to do with Adam and Eve. Jesus was talking to the gathered adults not to hinder children. So there is nothing to believe or to discount.

As to your other post, I already said I wont answer riddles.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Using an If to leap to cruel is an awkward way of saying hello.

Since when do we first say “hello” as though we are drinking coffee together? People here don’t even use names. Some take upon themselves names of emmense honor instead of normal humble human names.